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infernal machines posted:Ah yes, Elizabeth "I'll send a letter to the Queen" May, noted knower of protocol and good governance. There is quite a lot of dumb garbage she needs to renounce.
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No argument there, although I wonder who she'll have left by the time she's done.
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quote:Lavigne Lalonde said Montreal's crucifix is an important piece of Montreal's heritage, and it will have a new home in a museum space in the renovated city hall where other significant historical items will be on display Nice shade at the end there
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I just got another call from a telemarketing firm working for the NDP. They told me the Liberals were collapsing, the right wing vote was split and that the NDP might form the next government of Canada. Then they asked me for $400. I don't know who the gently caress thought "this call is being recorded for quality purposes" was a phrase that should ever be uttered before an NDP fund raising pitch but welp, here we are.
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Helsing posted:I just got another call from a telemarketing firm working for the NDP. They told me the Liberals were collapsing, the right wing vote was split and that the NDP might form the next government of Canada. Then they asked me for $400. I don't know who the gently caress thought "this call is being recorded for quality purposes" was a phrase that should ever be uttered before an NDP fund raising pitch but welp, here we are. Outright lying about the political situation in Canada is pretty low even for the NDP.
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Lightning Knight posted:I found someone on the forums who knows ChairMaster's first name, and I also knew his birthday and university. I think that's enough info for the police to find him. Thank you for keeping us updated. CM had some troubles and wasn’t always super eloquent, but was consistently on the right side of the issues. I hope he’s ok, he’s a good egg.
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Baronjutter posted:Outright lying about the political situation in Canada is pretty low even for the NDP. Honestly the worst part was that the agent kept saying "our values" and "we" until I finally stopped them and pressed them on the fact they actually work for a private company, not the NDP. I asked who they personally supported and they started insisting that they weren't allowed to disclose who their private political opinions, which I suggested made the repeated use of the term "we" even more deceptive than the average fund raising pitch.
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Celina Caesar-Chavannes just quit the Liberal caucus. https://twitter.com/CTV_PowerPlay/status/1108434668133609472
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Helsing posted:Honestly the worst part was that the agent kept saying "our values" and "we" until I finally stopped them and pressed them on the fact they actually work for a private company, not the NDP. I asked who they personally supported and they started insisting that they weren't allowed to disclose who their private political opinions, which I suggested made the repeated use of the term "we" even more deceptive than the average fund raising pitch. That's just loving gross. When an actual NDP staffer/volunteer are calling you are getting the call because the person calling you actually believes in the political party or at least the general idea of left-of-centre politics in Canada. When you're getting a call from a private call centre from folks who might have an NDP script one day and a Wildrose script the next those folks can gently caress off.
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Leofish posted:Celina Caesar-Chavannes just quit the Liberal caucus. I'm sad that the Libs had an MP that if you squint a little had a last name that sorta sounds like Cesar Chavez. Way too cool for even a former-Lib.
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Leofish posted:Celina Caesar-Chavannes just quit the Liberal caucus. Good, one less divisive debbie trying to get scheer elected
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Mar 20, 2019 20:26
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I like how the Liberals big skills training announcement is a loving slow trickle tax credit that only covers 50% of training costs and an EI extension that covers 55% of your pay while on training.
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Justin Trudeau does not have a problem with women, some of them are just being too uppity and should know how to talk to their betters.
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Helsing posted:Honestly the worst part was that the agent kept saying "our values" and "we" until I finally stopped them and pressed them on the fact they actually work for a private company, not the NDP. I asked who they personally supported and they started insisting that they weren't allowed to disclose who their private political opinions, which I suggested made the repeated use of the term "we" even more deceptive than the average fund raising pitch. That was an odd call, wasn't it? I have a feeling my feedback is even less noted than usual. Still sitting on my wallet.
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Lol Trudeau is gonna try to buy off postmedia with public dollars https://twitter.com/jessebrown/status/1108382899890544640?s=21 https://twitter.com/jessebrown/status/1108382901819924480?s=21 Who wants to bet they won’t return the favour
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THC posted:Lol Trudeau is gonna try to buy off postmedia with public dollars Which is precisely why independent journalists like Brown and the ideologically consistent centre-right writers like Coyne and Wells are all making GBS threads on this and calling it a terrible idea: they KNOW this will immediately go together like oil and water from both a public confidence perspective and an actual ability to do independent journalism perspective. But no, I'm sure having all the newspapers under the control of Maxime Bernier's reactionary government in 2024 won't be a problem or anything.
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The newspaper bailout is bad. Good for Paul Godfrey, I guess.
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Christ this is going to ruin a significant number of families.
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apatheticman posted:Christ this is going to ruin a significant number of families. It's not a good change, but ruin is a little strong. It will force people to pay out of pocket and seek reimbursement from their insurer (for those with crap plans) - or just delist the child from the private health plan.
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Universal pharmacare should be the standard anyways
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Maneck posted:It's not a good change, but ruin is a little strong. It will force people to pay out of pocket and seek reimbursement from their insurer (for those with crap plans) - or just delist the child from the private health plan. Delisting a kid from insurance is harder to do when most work insurance companies require a 2 year buy in, my coworkers kids are caught up in this and we were just forced to renew our insurance agreements in January.
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Mar 21, 2019 14:33
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Countdown until there's a regulation to that act that says people who intentionally de-list their kids from insurance / could cover their kids but don't aren't eligible either
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I like how zapplez changed his avatar but kept the bird.
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Arivia posted:I like how zapplez changed his avatar but kept the bird. Its pretty great im not gonna lie
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zapplez posted:Its pretty great im not gonna lie she has the same hair as old rex, let's be honest
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PT6A posted:The last Amber Alert in Alberta was fine, my phone buzzed once for the initial alert, once for the update, and then when it was cancelled. I made a note of the plate and make/colour of the car in case I saw it. It was not an imposition on my life in any way. Edit: This came off slightly more harsh than it should have so I want to emphasize that i'm talking about a collective failure we're all implicated in, not exclusively singling you out here, even if I am directly addressing you and speaking to what I gather is your personal situation. This is the kind of attitude that I'm sure makes sense when you're a sorta well intentined but fundamentally selfish person who is almost certainly in the top 5% of income earners despite only being in your 20s. Suicide, especially among youths, is rising in Canada. One of the strongest correlations of suicide is social isolation. In fact loneliness has come to be recognized as a crucial predictor of other health problems. And one of the strongest predictors of social isolation is poverty or lack of financial resources and income. A situation severely exacerbated by a series of extremely sharp cuts made by subsequent Liberal and Conservative governments since the 1990s and locked in with the low tax and pro-business ideology of the politicians that you continue to actively support. You are an active beneficiary of and proponent of the social conditions that create more people like ChairMaster year after year. That's why its so easy for you to shrug this off and to conclude that the only actual problem here was negativity rather than anything that might implicate the rest of us. The fact is ChairMaster didn't suffer in isolation, his problems are all of our responsibilities. And as a society we have horrifically failed him. Helsing fucked around with this message at 15:36 on Mar 21, 2019 |
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Mar 21, 2019 15:33
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Helsing posted:You are an active beneficiary of and proponent of the social conditions that create more people like ChairMaster year after year. How should someone vote as to not be responsible for someones suicide? edit: To be clear I think one of modern societies greatest failings is the breakdown of large families and poor social/community support and increased isolation of the young and elderly. But to place the blame on a particular mans suicide because they vote Lib or NDP last election seems a bit unfair. vincentpricesboner fucked around with this message at 15:52 on Mar 21, 2019 |
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I was having this talk with a coworker yesterday and we felt that the root causes for this misery is a mix of self inflicted isolation and a societal pressure that weren't never good enough as we are. There's a desire to improve oneself and then there's the implication that doing so is never enough to break the despair. the worst part is that this feeling of impotence mixes badly with isolation to create a terrible feedback loop of negativity where someone can feel trapped in a cage and nothing can be done to break out. Sometimes I feel like I'm in the cage myself. I've known enough people who have committed suicide that I do not take this lightly. I don't want to lose myself to despair and I don't want anyone else to ever feel that way either. I hope CM got the help he needs and I'm sorry if I ever hurt him.
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I think social isolation is a huge problem, but I disagree with the idea that poverty is a causal factor. It's happening to people across the socioeconomic spectrum, and while poverty exacerbates the negative effects without question, we need only look at other societies where poverty exists in far greater magnitudes but the social isolation does not, to realize that the problem with social isolation goes beyond simple economic insecurity.
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Social isolation? I wonder what the cause could be  Ford taking away pharmacare is a prick move
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It absolutely crosses economic class lines but its symptoms are much worse when you don't have an outlet due to financial needs. Someone with the means to go out and at least try to connect with people is going to fare better than someone who cannot because they can't afford to do it. Financial anxiety can cripple a person's social life and it compounds with other anxieties. And it's not just the internet causing isolation. In fact while I think the internet can cause more problems than it fixes, it can help people by giving them at least some measure of contact with others. It's a crutch but it can be a necessary one given the world we live in. I look at my group of friends I had going through university and despite most of us still living in Ottawa we almost never do anything together anymore. Or societal system has us set up to go to work, work ourselves to the point where we're exhausted and then go home where we're too tired or unwilling to make the leap and meet up with other people. We sequester ourselves into these tinier and tinier social units where there is no crossover between work life and social life and we keep retreating further into our shells. Most of the people I knew growing up still live in Renfrew because that's where the people they know still live. My university social circle might have collapsed but when I do talk to them they say they're usually hanging out with high school friends they've known for decades. There's an unwillingness to leave these tiny social spheres and it's exacerbated by financial worries, social anxiety and the constant need to measure up to a forever out of reach social standard. It's no wonder we turned to the internet, poisonous as it is. It's a lifeline where we can at least have some measure of contact with another person when the world around us feels actively hostile to the idea of striking up a conversation with a stranger. Our isolation is self inflicted and we give off an atmosphere of desiring privacy at all times which makes it next to impossible to make new connections in person outside of planned events for just such a matter. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 16:24 on Mar 21, 2019 |
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The social isolation of Syrian refugees in Ottawa (from the rest of us because of language barriers and unemployment; not from each other) contributes significantly to their sense of despair and an apparent inability to rise above their current situation, a situation made worse as their children master a language they do not speak (For the non-Ottawans, 1240/1244 Donald Street has "resembled a ghetto" for decades) quote:Elle m’a présenté un Syrien qui promenait sa fille handicapée dans un tricycle. En fait, il est Kurde, une minorité ostracisée en Syrie où il vivait dans les montagnes. Il parle longuement de ses problèmes. L’allocation que lui verse le gouvernement passe presque à elle seule dans le loyer. Il reste peu d’argent pour nourrir les enfants et subvenir aux besoins de base. Il n’arrive pas à apprendre l’anglais. « Même en arabe, je suis illettré », s’excuse-t-il. Il travaille au noir, dans un restaurant de shawarma. Il dit que le propriétaire profite de la situation pour l’exploiter. Comme bien d’autres, il en a surtout contre les logements trop chers, trop petits, et parfois infestés de coquerelles où on les a logés. Sans emploi, sans la langue, il ne voit pas comment il sortira de la misère.
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Arcsquad12 posted:It absolutely crosses economic class lines but its symptoms are much worse when you don't have an outlet due to financial needs. Someone with the means to go out and at least try to connect with people is going to fare better than someone who cannot because they can't afford to do it. Financial anxiety can cripple a person's social life and it compounds with other anxieties. This is absolutely true. I have a friend who is very mentally ill, for a few reasons. He's autistic, and had a really rough time growing up, so he has a lot of issues relating to people and trusting them. It's deeply compounded by the fact that he lives in poverty because he's too ill to work. He got trapped in a shite living situation too, and has had bedbugs for basically the past 6 years or so. He has been living like this because he didn't want to tell people, because he was afraid of losing friends. Literally the only reason this changed was he had a breakdown and told me about it-- I had no idea things were that bad until recently. And since then, trying to get help for him has been a loving *terrible* process. Like, getting him mental health care took a long-rear end time, and then trying to get him the appropriate government support has been horrifying, because there's so much paperwork, and such a long processing time. I honestly can't understand how anyone who is not neurotypical, abled, and skilled with paperwork is supposed to get through the system, and it's because government support in particular seems based on the idea that people are lying to get support. Because living on $1688 in Alberta gives you such a loving baller lifestyle, everyone dreams of living under the poverty line?? I am not sure that there is a path for him that ends up with him having a rich social circle and a life that is anything much beyond liveable at best. Whereas, my mental health experience has been much much more pleasant, and it's because I have enough money and good health insurance plan that allows me to phone up a therapist and get in to see them immediately when I need to, and if I *had* to move apartments tomorrow, I could.
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PT6A posted:I think social isolation is a huge problem, but I disagree with the idea that poverty is a causal factor. It's happening to people across the socioeconomic spectrum, and while poverty exacerbates the negative effects without question, we need only look at other societies where poverty exists in far greater magnitudes but the social isolation does not, to realize that the problem with social isolation goes beyond simple economic insecurity. It comes from every aspect of our society being predatory, from working relationships on down. It sets the tone for our entire lives.
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apatheticman posted:Christ this is going to ruin a significant number of families. It has made the last 2 days at work super loving fun let me tell you. Also doing it this way is going to cost the province more than the way its done now.
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PT6A posted:I think social isolation is a huge problem, but I disagree with the idea that poverty is a causal factor. It's happening to people across the socioeconomic spectrum, and while poverty exacerbates the negative effects without question, we need only look at other societies where poverty exists in far greater magnitudes but the social isolation does not, to realize that the problem with social isolation goes beyond simple economic insecurity. Poverty amplifies every other problem. Especially in places with a higher cost of living. It adds to every worry and places barriers to escape or even temporary reprieve. That little dopamine hit from buying something you want or enjoying a nice meal or a nice bottle of scotch is either entirely absent or counteracted by the shame of funding wants over needs. It interferes with attempts to access to social activities, proper nutrition, medication, and mental help. Poverty itself has it's own stigma attached which can drive somebody even even deeper. It can make small problems seem like large ones, and large ones seem entirely insurmountable. If you're depressed and isolated and get a flat tire on your car and have the means to deal with it, you take it as the world taking one more swipe at you. If you don't have the means to deal with it, it could be the last access you have to the outside world.
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PT6A posted:I think social isolation is a huge problem, but I disagree with the idea that poverty is a causal factor. It's happening to people across the socioeconomic spectrum, and while poverty exacerbates the negative effects without question, we need only look at other societies where poverty exists in far greater magnitudes but the social isolation does not, to realize that the problem with social isolation goes beyond simple economic insecurity. This is the kind of statement that is very hard to read charitably. The best I can say is that I feel like you probably haven't ever lived in poverty and haven't had any close friends or family members who struggled financially for an extended period of time. Though quite frankly even without those experiences you should be able to recognize the causal links based on very basic knowledge of how our society works and a bit of common sense. Honestly, how clearly do you need it spelled out for you that poverty is a causal factor in social isolation? I would ask what mental leaps you're conducting to reach this conclusion but I don't actually care. Anyway, if common sense or empathy aren't enough then I guess I would just say you should take some time on google to familiarize yourself with the empirical literature showing the well established link between lack of financial resources and social isolation in Canada specifically. Because contrary to what you suggest here, self reported feelings of isolation and loneliness are not evenly distributed across social classes in Canada, and are instead correlated with other factors like, surprise surprise, poverty.
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