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Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

An insane mind posted:

I still don't get how this game got on steam. Is it just edge lords being edgy?

Because Valve literally doesn't care unless it gains some sort of media attention. Rapeday probably would have been quietly approved if the title wasn't so obviously a troll.

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Irony Be My Shield
Jul 29, 2012

The only thing you need to do to get a game on Steam is to give Valve money. That is the beginning and end of their vetting process.

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

Just caught this article in my newsfeed, and I think the headline does it a disservice - I've quoted below the parts I wish they had actually focused on:


Rami Ismail tells Valve “sucks to be you” over Epic store exclusives

Edit: also it's all quotes from the full interview here, which has a lot more detail and criticism directed at Epic: https://www.pcgamesn.com/rami-ismail-interview

there’s an entire generation of indie game developers that got wiped out because of an algorithmic change in Valve’s recommendation algorithms and they said, ‘Well that’s just what the data said’. Well here’s what the data said, it said that Metro Exodus is not on Steam because the deal Epic gave [developer 4A Games] was better.

Valve is now going to have to come to terms with the fact that it’s not the only major platform holder on the market, but Ismail suggests that the company isn’t likely to flounder repeatedly as it does so – “they’ll make some misses, but not always.”

“You can tell that they’re a game developer at heart. They’re iterative and that’s sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse. I hope they stay around because seeing them iterate through the problem of ‘poo poo, we have a competitor now’ – hopefully it’ll be hilarious.”



And that's my point. Everyone is mad about Epic having exclusives and the quality of Epic's store and their business practices - and that's all valid, but Steam having REAL competition is extremely important and needed to happen YEARS ago. I might not ever buy a game from the Epic store in the foreseeable future, but I'm glad it exists because of the possibility it will make Steam - and the marketplace as a whole - better. Because clearly they won't do it on their own, as time has proven.

Rotten Red Rod fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Mar 20, 2019

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

Rotten Red Rod posted:

Just caught this article in my newsfeed, and I think the headline does it a disservice - I've quoted below the parts I wish they had actually focused on:


Rami Ismail tells Valve “sucks to be you” over Epic store exclusives

there’s an entire generation of indie game developers that got wiped out because of an algorithmic change in Valve’s recommendation algorithms and they said, ‘Well that’s just what the data said’. Well here’s what the data said, it said that Metro Exodus is not on Steam because the deal Epic gave [developer 4A Games] was better.

Valve is now going to have to come to terms with the fact that it’s not the only major platform holder on the market, but Ismail suggests that the company isn’t likely to flounder repeatedly as it does so – “they’ll make some misses, but not always.”

“You can tell that they’re a game developer at heart. They’re iterative and that’s sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse. I hope they stay around because seeing them iterate through the problem of ‘poo poo, we have a competitor now’ – hopefully it’ll be hilarious.”



And that's my point. Everyone is mad about Epic having exclusives and the quality of Epic's store and their business practices - and that's all valid, but Steam having REAL competition is extremely important and needed to happen YEARS ago. I might not ever buy a game from the Epic store in the foreseeable future, but I'm glad it exists because of the possibility it will make Steam - and the marketplace as a whole - better. Because clearly they won't do it on their own, as time has proven.

The epic store is hilarious because it's trying to bill itself as killing steam and it can't even match steams actual competitors in origin and good old games. Massing exclusives to get people into your storefront is a good strategy, but you need a storefront worth a drat to keep the people that brings in. Meanwhile epic is bringing people into a storefront that can't even stop itself from illegally scanning people's private steam files. It's not even trying to run before you can walk, it's trying to ride a bike before they can crawl.

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

That's all true, and I'm not defending Epic. Again, I'm just glad that finally SOMEONE has the resources to actually have a chance at competing with Steam, and maybe, MAYBE someday they'll put some effort into their store not being full of kawaii Hitler games.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

edit: Nevermind, I was thinking of a different digital media company called Epik

Dark_Swordmaster
Oct 31, 2011
On topic to the discussion and the thread! :dance:

https://www.pcgamer.com/detroit-become-human-beyond-two-souls-and-heavy-rain-are-coming-to-pc/

I love all of these games but they are terrible awful and feature awkward and out of place nudity and sex.

Kanfy
Jan 9, 2012

Just gotta keep walking down that road.
I recall Detroit being Cage's most successful game yet and it's metacritic user score is a whopping 8.6 at 2.6k reviews, I feel like goon and public opinion clash harder with that guy's games than with almost anything else.

ZogrimAteMyHamster
Dec 8, 2015

https://www.pcgamer.com/the-epic-store-wont-accept-crappy-games-says-ceo-tim-sweeney//

Haha, good luck with that.

Hwurmp
May 20, 2005


but they already have Fortnite :owned:

Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.

Nap Ghost
Ismail being the voice of indie game dev is so loving rad

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Kanfy posted:

I recall Detroit being Cage's most successful game yet and it's metacritic user score is a whopping 8.6 at 2.6k reviews, I feel like goon and public opinion clash harder with that guy's games than with almost anything else.

Cage's games are basically the gaming equivalent of Oscar bait, in visual novel form.

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?


It's pretty easy for a store with gently caress all in it to curate itself though.

What's that? They added this hunk of garbage already?

whoops

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

Epic has already said that they want to be able to open the floodgates like steam, and there's zero reason why they wouldn't do that because they get a cut of all the sales done on their platform and through humble. Ismail is being extremely shortsighted about this and is insufferably smug about it as always.

The MSJ
May 17, 2010

Obsidian's next game Outer Worlds is an Epic exclusive so looks like we have to use it soon if we don't already.

It must be funny though that kids think they're named Epic because of memes or whatever when it has been their name since the 90s.

SelenicMartian
Sep 14, 2013

Sometimes it's not the bomb that's retarded.

The MSJ posted:

It must be funny though that kids think they're named Epic because of memes or whatever when it has been their name since the 90s.
Epic had the phrase 'Epic Rulez' plastered all over Jill of the Jungle. They were probably trying to make themselves a meme for ages.

FirstAidKite
Nov 8, 2009

SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:

People are dismissing it because it's making light of the horrors of fascism not because its anime

If you're talking about the vn then yeah that's bad but otherwise I will never not find this hilarious

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.

SelenicMartian posted:

Epic had the phrase 'Epic Rulez' plastered all over Jill of the Jungle. They were probably trying to make themselves a meme for ages.

Oh I dunno.



Kchama
Jul 25, 2007

Somfin posted:

Ismail being the voice of indie game dev is so loving rad

If only he could have finished Nuclear Throne instead of abandoning it without telling anyone and paying one dude to put out the last (bugfix) patch which took him like a year to do and then hosed off into the night.

I'd probably be less harsh if Ismail hadn't spent a year insisting that the Vita version of the patch was holding back all the other versions from being published.

I'm still not sure the consoles ever got that patch either.

Kchama fucked around with this message at 14:32 on Mar 21, 2019

Glagha
Oct 13, 2008

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What the hell are you talking about?

Kchama
Jul 25, 2007

Glagha posted:

What the hell are you talking about?

Nuclear Throne's final patch took like a year and was done by the Nuclear Throne Together guy because Vlambeer abandoned the game. They kept insisting the delay was due to Vita certification and then when the patch was finally ready suddenly announced it was the final patch and that was that despite the game being blatantly unfinished. It was a real shame as I like the game a lot but left a real bad taste in my mouth for the devs.

Glagha
Oct 13, 2008

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I mean I understood the words you said but like, in what way is the game unfinished?

Kchama
Jul 25, 2007

Glagha posted:

I mean I understood the words you said but like, in what way is the game unfinished?

Oh sorry. The way you phrased it made it sound like I was real unclear.

Placeholder stuff's still in the game for a lot of things. Like the Oasis unlock is suppose to have some other boss instead of yet another Big Bandit but they never finished the boss. The character they were working on for release isn't finished (Cuz). The entire looping system in general was only in as a placeholder for a proper progression and ending and was gonna be like an optional challenge mode is more or less now the entire gameplay, and they just threw in (one of?) the final intended level as a secret in the loop.

A lot of story elements are in and meant to lead somewhere but just doesn't as a result. It's a real drat shame as a lot of it was real interesting.

The long story short for all of this is that Vlambeer burned themselves going too hard on updates and decided to just never update again outside of getting the Nuclear Throne Together guy to throw together one last update.

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

SelenicMartian posted:

It's way cheaper in my region. I just hope Tamsoft does more insane poo poo from the ps2 days, and not under an anime license.

The price isn't the problem you loving creep

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

Yeah ok I think we can stop jumping all over posts from 2 days ago, pervy or not

SardonicTyrant
Feb 26, 2016

BTICH IM A NEWT
熱くなれ夢みた明日を
必ずいつかつかまえる
走り出せ振り向くことなく
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FirstAidKite posted:

All these porn games on steam and nobody's even put up a version of Miss World '96 Nude

smh

The day Bible Black goes on to Steam I'm just going to start laughing and never stop. Get on the bus, laugh. In the office, laugh, to the concern of my teammates. Laugh between bites at lunch. Get coffee stains on my shirt because I'm laughing through sips. And so forth.

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007

SardonicTyrant posted:

The day Bible Black goes on to Steam I'm just going to start laughing and never stop. Get on the bus, laugh. In the office, laugh, to the concern of my teammates. Laugh between bites at lunch. Get coffee stains on my shirt because I'm laughing through sips. And so forth.

dang, i don't think i'll ever feel such pure joy about anything. you must really love bible black.

An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

gimme the GOD drat candy posted:

dang, i don't think i'll ever feel such pure joy about anything. you must really love bible black.

Who doesn't? It's not my thing but the Bible or faith itself can bring comfort in th-...

What? *googles*

Oh...oh dear me. :ohdear:

rodbeard
Jul 21, 2005

I've seen Bible Black in a theater.

Dewgy
Nov 10, 2005

~🚚special delivery~📦

rodbeard posted:

I've seen Bible Black in a theater.

drat, anime club is real!?

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

An insane mind posted:

Who doesn't? It's not my thing but the Bible or faith itself can bring comfort in th-...

What? *googles*

Oh...oh dear me. :ohdear:

Oh god, what did I just google?

IMDB posted:

Did You Know?
Trivia
In the Japanese version, the "college" was originally a high school.

Why am I not surprised? It's not skeevy enough if it's not literal child porn.

FirstAidKite
Nov 8, 2009
Please at this time do not taint the funny humor of miss world 96 nude, more specifically my memories of the funny review of it by seanbaby that I read probably over a decade ago now, by bringing up bible black in comparison, thank you

Kanfy
Jan 9, 2012

Just gotta keep walking down that road.

FoolyCharged posted:

Why am I not surprised? It's not skeevy enough if it's not literal child porn.

Can't say I know anything about Bible Black, but I think senior high school in Japan runs up to age 18.

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

Kanfy posted:

Can't say I know anything about Bible Black, but I think senior high school in Japan runs up to age 18.

IMDB posted:

At a harmless looking College, the teachers and staff are practicing a dark religion. By devoting their bodies to perversity, they chant their dark spells and control the lusts of the student body. Everywhere the students turn, they are drawn to acts of perversion, even in public. Perhaps the school nurse has the answer, as she holds special counseling sessions for the female students.

so.... yeah. Probably literal depictions of minors having sex.

Commander Keene
Dec 21, 2016

Faster than the others



Kanfy posted:

Can't say I know anything about Bible Black, but I think senior high school in Japan runs up to age 18.
Most of my friends were 18 by the time they graduated. I was always one of the youngest in my class due to having a September birthday.

I also don't know anything about BB, though, and "technically legal" porn is still kinda skeevy anyways, so :shrug:

CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008

THUNDERDOME LOSER

Commander Keene posted:

I also don't know anything about BB, though, and "technically legal" porn is still kinda skeevy anyways, so :shrug:

Yeah, the West has more than enough school-themed porn to not have the moral high ground here. Besides, if this thread has shown anything it's that Japanese porn has more than enough other issues to worry about.

Craig K
Nov 10, 2016

puck

FirstAidKite posted:

the funny review of it by seanbaby that I read probably over a decade ago now,

probably closer to 20 years by this point in that i found a link to it in a forum post from 2003

Craig K fucked around with this message at 03:59 on Mar 22, 2019

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

I read it in Electronic Gaming Monthly

Hippie Hedgehog
Feb 19, 2007

Ever cuddled a hedgehog?
Where do terrible shovelware games come from?
Here's one answer.

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2019/03/a-dev-trained-robots-to-generate-garbage-slot-machine-games-and-made-50k/

quote:

They teamed up during the 2013 Global Game Jam to push something out that resembled the "race to the bottom" they saw on mobile platforms. Thanks to the time-restricted nature of a game jam, they opted to buy a 3D slot machine asset off of the Unity Store (a marketplace that lets game makers pay modelers and animators for unrestricted use of various 2D and 3D assets) for $15. They then spent the rest of the jam creating a system that would automatically generate the rest of the skinning needed to make this basic virtual slot machine just unique enough to be published as its own smartphone app.

"Let's customize these like other slot machine companies do," Schwartz said. "They make themed slots. What's the minimum set of things to change to make a different slot machine? Let's change the title. Change the one image on the reel that might be relevant to your topic. So, like, a dolphin slot: put a dolphin in there [as the jackpot slot logo] with a special icon. Then the background is a scrolling dolphin image."

...

As a result, with the press of a single button, a Unity script could put those steps together and essentially auto-generate hundreds of "custom" slot machines.

...

They then "walked away" for two months. After that period of dealing with real-life work, they peeked at their income and advertising statement and were stunned: people were downloading their apps, and 27 percent of those people were clicking on their ads, driving roughly $211 of ad revenue per day.

...

"We had an epiphany: our game looks so loving terrible, but people downloaded it for some reason. When they see an ad for a much better slot machine or casino, they click it because... of course you do! That's a greener pasture! A way better future you could be having! We think the quality was so low in our poo poo that the ads were a portal to a better world."

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The Cheshire Cat
Jun 10, 2008

Fun Shoe

Epic needs to add "Megagames" back into their name.

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