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Relax Or DIE posted:There was no outcome that wasn't going to make people upset. that doesn't really mean that this was a good outcome, though
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Mar 23, 2019 22:56
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Relax Or DIE posted:There was no outcome that wasn't going to make people upset. its easy to say this but so far they seem to be making all the worst choices
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Mar 23, 2019 22:57
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homeless snail posted:This is the funniest part of it lmao, they should have just not added new races period if its nothing but fanservice Legitimately what is the point of all of these literally backwards additions to the game
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Mar 23, 2019 22:57
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What is everyone's ideal outcome? Sincere question, I actually want to know.
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Mar 23, 2019 22:57
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YoshiP I'll forgive you if you give Paladin Holy 0.5.
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Mar 23, 2019 22:58
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No glasses = no sale.
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Mar 23, 2019 22:58
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Not allowing for helmets is pretty bad, yeah.
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Mar 23, 2019 22:58
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Relax Or DIE posted:What is everyone's ideal outcome? Sincere question, I actually want to know. Having a complete race that displays armor.
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Mar 23, 2019 22:59
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Emalde posted:Legitimately what is the point of all of these literally backwards additions to the game
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Mar 23, 2019 22:59
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Gruckles posted:Having a complete race that displays armor. That's outrageous.
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Mar 23, 2019 23:00
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Relax Or DIE posted:What is everyone's ideal outcome? Sincere question, I actually want to know. them not going actively out of their way and half arsing stuff in a manner that makes people upset, where it was clear they did not have the resources to fully commit to this idea, just because the same dev team that made sexy wink for the camera fanservice bunny girls found bunny boys a bit too weird.
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Mar 23, 2019 23:01
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Mordiceius posted:I think I'm more excited about Shadowbringers than I have been for any expansion. The aesthetics are cool af. The story hooks seem cool af. I'm only mildly disappointed about Dancers and I never gave a gently caress about races because I'm already Highlady master race and it would take something really insane to ever make me want to race change. So everyone being so doom and gloom about it is baffling to me. 
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Mar 23, 2019 23:03
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Greyarc posted:For me it’s not about the races in particular so much as what they represent by gender-locking them. Women sexy only, guys beastly only is a running thing in media that women in particular have been pigeonholed into, especially in video games. FF14, a game which up until now was pretty renowned for being decent with gender stuff, added: This is a very reasonable post and I like it. However, from what I've experienced, the loud vitriolic people are controlling the narrative right now with the message that this is either: * a direct attack by the developers on the queer/trans community (which, while I disagree, Japan as a whole is unfortunately not known as a bastion of queer/trans acceptance, but that doesn't make it okay), * this is proof that YoshiP is going to renege on every good design choice in the game (when he had mentioned so far back as 2013 interviews that if they did viera, they would be female only and we'd get a male only race), * this was a malicious scheme to trick players (uhhh, okay?) I mean, Discord last night was one step away from this: quote:I'm back. I prepared this in advance, and posting it as they are clapping for these ridiculous cat race. Let me first say this: I hate Hrothgar because they came at the cost of male Viera and I'm not going to forget this ever. I totally understand being disappointed if you were hoping for male bunnies. I do think SE kind of backed themselves in a corner with viera. Many people wanted buff bunnies, many people wanted twinks. Either way, SE was going to upset one group. They just happened to upset both.
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Mar 23, 2019 23:05
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Relax Or DIE posted:What is everyone's ideal outcome? Sincere question, I actually want to know. I feel like this is what I've been trying to understand ever since the announcements. Gruckles posted:Having a complete race that displays armor. nyttyn posted:them not going actively out of their way and half arsing stuff in a manner that makes people upset, where it was clear they did not have the resources to fully commit to this idea, just because the same dev team that made sexy wink for the camera fanservice bunny girls found bunny boys a bit too weird. So much of this comes across as "I'm mad things aren't better/more how I wanted them to be." which, yeah, totally. But everyone has different ideas of what "things being better" is, but that doesn't matter because right now we can all be mad together even though we wouldn't be pleased each other's solutions to the problem.
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Mar 23, 2019 23:10
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Yeah I don't think anyone is saying SE handled this particularly well, but acting like the dev team and YoshiP specifically are sitting in their offices with massive erections as they think of all the people they upset is ridiculous. To answer the above post, I was hoping for male Viera in the style of the concept art we saw before where they looked kinda tribal-y, and I really did not want Ronso. In the end it was unlikely any race would be more than an alt for me though so I'm not too bothered, though neither race being able to wear headgear is kind of.. poo poo.
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Mar 23, 2019 23:11
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It would be better if we had both male Viera and female Hrothgar and everyone could wear hats. Seems simple enough to me.
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Mar 23, 2019 23:12
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Personally ambivalent about Hrothgar/Viera, empathetic to those who care more, disappointed with that latest bit about helmets. I get dev cycles can be awful, I want management to make good choices for their health and sustainability, but this seems more and more like a miss in the planning and concept.
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Mar 23, 2019 23:12
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Mordiceius posted:This is a vague answer that doesn't actually answer the question. their point is that "you can't make everyone happy!" isnt an excuse for not meeting the basic level that would make literally anyone happy
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Mar 23, 2019 23:12
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Relax Or DIE posted:What is everyone's ideal outcome? Sincere question, I actually want to know. One complete race with both genders like all the others.
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Mar 23, 2019 23:13
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Relax Or DIE posted:What is everyone's ideal outcome? Sincere question, I actually want to know. Don't make gender locked races. Commit to making a fully realized playable race, that can wear headgear. Apparently that's crazy talk though.
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Mar 23, 2019 23:13
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homeless snail posted:Or you know, like they traveled back 4 years and did the same thing they did with Au Ra pretty much. This game is not really an amazing bastion of representation, its a little bit better than most games but that's a pretty low bar. BARONS CYBER SKULL posted:The same people complaining about there not being Boy Bunnies are the same group of people that filled the GDQ thread up with furry porn and got it closed, by the by Mordiceius posted:So much of this comes across as "I'm mad things aren't better/more how I wanted them to be." which, yeah, totally. But everyone has different ideas of what "things being better" is, but that doesn't matter because right now we can all be mad together even though we wouldn't be pleased each other's solutions to the problem.
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Mar 23, 2019 23:14
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From the developers that brought you limited jobs, now presenting: limited races!
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Mar 23, 2019 23:15
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yeah i haven't seen anyone explicitly happy about genderlocking
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Mar 23, 2019 23:16
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somepartsareme posted:their point is that "you can't make everyone happy!" isnt an excuse for not meeting the basic level that would make literally anyone happy There are plenty of people who are happy though?
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Mar 23, 2019 23:16
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somepartsareme posted:their point is that "you can't make everyone happy!" isnt an excuse for not meeting the basic level that would make literally anyone happy I'm happy. Literally someone is happy. I like female Vierra. I like male Hrothgar. I like Dancer ranged dps. I would have liked male Vierra and female Hrothgar as well (and another healer), but their absence doesn't lessen what is being added.
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Mar 23, 2019 23:17
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I just feel sorry for anyone who wanted to make a Viera with glasses.
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Mar 23, 2019 23:17
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if they had made big bulky viera men i, personally, would have been disappointed, but not to the same degree as i am about two halfassed genderlocked races
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Mar 23, 2019 23:17
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are they doing more eureka in this because honestly that was the worst thing about stormblood
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Mar 23, 2019 23:18
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coming into a thread of people discussing changes and primarily being disappointed in the design choices and going "uhhhh why can't you all just not give a poo poo like me????" is tone deaf at best
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Mar 23, 2019 23:20
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uncurable mlady posted:are they doing more eureka in this because honestly that was the worst thing about stormblood Please look forward to it.
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Mar 23, 2019 23:21
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I'm happy with the whole parallel dimension thing for the expansion, though it'll take a lot of lore finagling to fit that into the current story point we're at. I knew we'd get something like this just because FFXI did something similar with the time travel expansion. The races I'm ambivalent on. What would really hurt my enjoyment of SHB would be them pivoting even more to FFXI style gameplay outside of a niche corner like Eureka. Otherwise I'm happy as a clam with the status quo.
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Mar 23, 2019 23:21
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gently caress they could've just dodged the issue entirely even if they still wanted to do it this way by going "hey we wanted to give you one of each side, beastly race and bunny race now, since new races are a lot of work, but we're working on and will implement viera females/ronso males down the line." People would have still been upset but then everyone would have eventually gotten what they wanted. also they should have explicitly said at the last fanfest "hey sorry no viera males" if the plan is no bun boys ever. doing it in this hint hint nudge nudge "tee hee see next fan fest" fashion is almost certainly what made this whole situation go from "people upset" to "defcon two," in conjunction with the no new healer thing.
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Mar 23, 2019 23:21
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Clarste posted:I just feel sorry for anyone who wanted to make a Viera with glasses. I'd figured they had to cut out male Viera and female Hrothgar because they were too busy making all the hats fit, but like... if they just gave up on making the hats work, I got nothing. Are they feeling okay over there? Do they need a nap? Another Red Bull? A vacation? More staff? A time machine?
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Mar 23, 2019 23:22
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uncurable mlady posted:are they doing more eureka in this because honestly that was the worst thing about stormblood Sure are. Maybe it's even why the new races can't display headgear 
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Mar 23, 2019 23:24
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nyttyn posted:gently caress they could've just dodged the issue entirely even if they still wanted to do it this way by going "hey we wanted to give you one of each side, beastly race and bunny race now, since new races are a lot of work, but we're working on and will implement viera females/ronso males down the line." People would have still been upset but then everyone would have eventually gotten what they wanted. The people whoc are enough to watch fanfest will buy the expansion no matter what 99% of the time, and hinting at stuff may tip some people to preordering or buying, so there's no real reason not to play coy from a business standpoint. The ones screaming that they're quitting would have found some other reason to do so now or down the road anyway.
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Mar 23, 2019 23:25
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i haven't seen anyone in this thread say they're going to quit or the game is doomed over this 
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Mar 23, 2019 23:26
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Overwatch Porn posted:coming into a thread of people discussing changes and primarily being disappointed in the design choices and going "uhhhh why can't you all just not give a poo poo like me????" is tone deaf at best Disappointment is fine, but a lot of it is hyperbole like "it's not exactly what I want, so I hate it all." What's absurd is the amount of people calling SE and YoshiP specifically homophobic, or saying the game's dead, or the endless flood of other absurd complaints that have followed every source of media on this game at the moment. If you don't roll your eyes at that, I don't know what else to say. Even if the SA thread is more tempered than the rest, every other source I've seen borders on hilarity. And it's not even not giving a poo poo for most others. It's laughing at how thin certain repeated arguments are, while accepting the good and the bad shown so far.
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Mar 23, 2019 23:27
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I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed.
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Overwatch Porn posted:coming into a thread of people discussing changes and primarily being disappointed in the design choices and going "uhhhh why can't you all just not give a poo poo like me????" is tone deaf at best Maybe it would make you happier if I just posted a bunch of furry porn in the thread?
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