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Raskolnikov38 posted:guyovich please merge this and the qanon thread this is the all-purpose conspiracy thread, which now includes speculation on the #Russiagate investigation. qanon is kind of its own thing still, but might get folded into this thread at some point. have at it. mods reserve the right to punish people here capriciously, solely to fuel forum-wide conspiracy theories. remember, admins can edit posts with no trace. maybe i will edit all your posts to make you look like a raving lunatic. the sky is the limit.
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# ? Mar 25, 2019 08:05 |
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# ? May 10, 2024 02:09 |
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Courtney shot Kurt.
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# ? Mar 25, 2019 13:43 |
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This post is probably pointless because it doesn't seem like any of the Russia-gate enthusiasts are ready to reconsider anything but I can't resist doing a rehash of how ludicrous it was to have the liberal media and so many posters on this forum lining up behind men like James Clapper or Robert Mueller or acting like a bunch of statements from the intelligence "community" were actually reliable. These guys were some of the same people - literally the same people - who sold the war in Iraq and who oversaw the dismantling of civil liberties following 9/11. In the media it was reported that the entire intelligence community had worked together to produce the ICA Report "Assessing Russian Activities and Intentions in Recent US Elections". Later the New York Times was forced to retract that claim and acknowledge that actually the entire analysis had only come from about a dozen agents (all anonymous) who were working within only three agencies (FBI, NSA, CIA) and who were "hand picked" by one James Clapper. The entire basis of the "Russia hacked the election" narrative was a report that was put together by a handful of men chosen by one guy. I think anyone who has a basic familiarity with large bureacracies should be able to appreciate that when a senior manager "hand picks" a team to write a report that senior manager often has a pretty good idea of what the report will say just based on who he is choosing to write it. Especially cause Mr. James Clapper has a bit of history when it comes to stuff like this. He was in charge of the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency during the build up to the Iraq war, making him responsible for analyzing satellite imagery of Iraq during the build up to the invasion there. He was rewarded for his hard work in 2007 when Bush II made him Undersecretary of Defense (Obama, seeing the wisdom of having such an august civil servant on call kept him in this job after the election). In 2010 this Republican veteran of the Bush administration was wisely made Director of National Intelligence by the post partisan President Obama. In this capacity he continued to serve the Republic without fear or favour. In the incident that Edward Snowden would later identify as the moment that pushed him into leaking, Clapper courageously perjured himself before Congress in 2013 by denying the existence of the NSA's mass surveillance program. He later confessed that he had spoken "erroneously" but he not only wasn't prosecuted, he also kept his job. Perhaps because his 50 years of experience in the intelligence world gave him the following amazing tradecraft insights, such as Russians being genetically inclined toward duplicitous behavior: quote:FMR. DIR. JAMES CLAPPER: Well, yes they would have and just to reinforce John Brennan’s, former director of central intelligence agency, his comments before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence and I have to say that, without specific...specifically affirming or confirming these conversations, since, even though they’re in the public realm, they’re still classified, just from a theoretical standpoint, I will tell you that my dashboard warning light was clearly on and I think that was the case with all of us in the intelligence community, very concerned about the nature of these approaches to the Russians. If you put that in context with everything else we knew the Russians were doing to interfere with the election. And just the historical practices of the Russians, who typically, almost genetically driven to co-opt, penetrate, gain favor, whatever, which is a typical Russian technique. So we were concerned. Wow, I'm really surprised that a life long national security ghoul with a history of outright perjuring himself before Congress and a theory of Russia that says that lying is in their DNA could have raised false expectations about this probe. And just while we're on the topic let's do a quick rehash of who Comey and Mueller were: quote:No, Robert Mueller And James Comey Aren’t Heroes
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# ? Mar 25, 2019 14:37 |
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What's that I hear you saying? Does this mean the whole thing was pointless? Of course not. It was extremely useful if you happened to be a Democrat who desperately needed to change the conversation for two years and distract your own followers from questions like "how the gently caress did we just lose that election?" But like, I'm sure the Democrats deciding to worship at the altar of the national security state had no implications for the party, right? Politico posted:Democrats are looking to turn the Donald Trump resistance movement into an army of candidates to try to take back the House in 2018. quote:
Oh nevermind. I can see that after some deep reflection about where it went wrong the Democrats have come up with a bold new strategy of running ex-military small business owners and basing their message on appealing to Republican swing voters. Don't worry though I'm sure that is just a pragmatic decision they made based on what they earnestly believe will protect the most people from Trump. It definitely definitely definitely wasn't motivated by the fact the top donors and consultants at the DNC are terrified at the prospect that a grassroots insurgency in their own party might gently caress up the grift they've been perfecting for the last 40 years. No way would they be leaning on fear about Russia to try and mute any criticisms of themselves or to redirect anger away from their own failures. What an absurd notion. It's a good thing that the various versions of the Russia-gate thread spent so much energy driving away anyone who speculated about that.
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# ? Mar 25, 2019 14:49 |
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mueller let trump off the hook because he agreed to play nice with the military industrial complex by saber rattling in central america
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# ? Mar 25, 2019 15:10 |
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While a lot of the media hype has been bullshit, it seems fairly obvious that Trump has been neck deep in illicit business with Russians for a while. The fatal flaw is that it’s boring money laundering white collar crimes. Russian oligarchs have used Trump to launder money and maybe some other illegal property investments etc. Trump being a Manchurian Candidate is almost certainly tinfoil hat nonsense. But the problem is Putin has leverage over the oligarchs, and they have illegal deals with Trump, so that opens the door for all sorts of conspiracies to flourish because there has been confirmed financial trails connecting them. It also might legitimately allow Putin to pressure Trump into kowtowing to Russian demands that affect finances. And Trump’s shady avoidance of enforcing/enacting sanctions is another giant red flag, and also provides more fuel to conspiracy theories. We should never have actually trusted Mueller to do anything about this, given his history of covering up crimes for Republican presidents during his tenure at the FBI. Especially because it’s incredibly likely that enough other Republican politicians, even though it’s probably a tiny minority, also have financial connections to the same criminals Trump does. And to be be honest probably a couple Democrats would be caught up in a sweep of illegal international financial dealings as well. Actually enforcing laws and doing a real investigation here would likely have just been a strong blow to faith in the government and democracy, which is an outcome nobody in power in government wants. Without getting too , it sees insane that any actual investigation into Russian interference and influence in the 2016 election didn’t include a thorough combing of Trump’s real estate empire and international bank connections. The only plausible explanation other than incompetency or partisan hackery is that this route would damage too many powerful people so it was ignored to avoid a shitstorm. We will probably not find out enough about this entire farcical debacle for another decade or two. It’s just more chaos to add to the insanity that has been the last two year of the Trump presidency. It’s just another frustrating and confusing aspect to having corrupt fascist idiots in our government.
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# ? Mar 26, 2019 11:02 |
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For years, I've been posting about Mueller literally being accused by other FBI agents of killing any investigation into the 9/11 hijackers ties to the Saudi government and had it ignored or called a conspiracy theory. Cannot wait to finally hear about it from news media talking heads who suddenly think its relevant for some reason.
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# ? Mar 26, 2019 14:29 |
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SickZip posted:For years, I've been posting about Mueller literally being accused by other FBI agents of killing any investigation into the 9/11 hijackers ties to the Saudi government and had it ignored or called a conspiracy theory. Cannot wait to finally hear about it from news media talking heads who suddenly think its relevant for some reason. lol dude, they were already asking about it: https://www.heraldtribune.com/news/20180910/anderson-did-mueller-mislead-public-about-911 This is about the Florida Bulldog article with the "unnamed FBI source", right? The original bulldog article claimed that there were phone records between the parties, but the FOI request itself disputes that (at the bottom): http://www.floridabulldog.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/FBI-RECORD-RELEASE.pdf Seems like the only link was that one of the "family members" was a student of the same flight school as some of the attackers. (I don't think it says if they were there at the same time) if you have better sources, please post them.
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# ? Mar 26, 2019 18:26 |
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Hillary Clinton rapes children in a pizza restaurant. She's already got one confirmed kill on an SA forums mod so I'm risking my life to say it, but the world needs to know. FAQ: I'm a kid, what can I do to protect myself? Don't get pizza with Hillary Clinton.
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# ? Mar 26, 2019 18:41 |
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justice for vince foster
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# ? Mar 26, 2019 18:48 |
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I mean seth rich sorry i got my clinton bodybags mixed up
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# ? Mar 26, 2019 18:51 |
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drat I was trying to remember which of those were the one I was thinking of and the answer was neither - Michael Hastings, now there's a good conspiracy. A journalist working to expose instances of surveillance by intelligence agencies, expresses that he knows the FBI is investigating him, is "onto a big story" and needs to go "off the radar", and also expresses that he thinks his car has been tampered with. He immediately dies in a single-vehicle crash the next day in which his car was flooring it and on fire. The FBI denies investigating him, misses FOIA deadlines when questioned about it, eventually revealing they had lied and had opened an unusual investigation because of his journalism. There's a fuckin' conspiracy. Justice for Michael Hastings.
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# ? Mar 26, 2019 19:10 |
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Jyppe posted:lol dude, they were already asking about it: I'm referring to a completely different occurence. Here's the best summary: https://harpers.org/archive/2017/10/crime-and-punishment-4/2/ quote:San Diego looms large in the recorded history of 9/11, though not because it was the focal point of the plot. While preparing for the operation, the future hijackers had been dispersed around the country, in such places as New Jersey and Florida. The reason we know so much about the West Coast activities of the hijackers is largely because of Michael Jacobson, a burly former FBI lawyer and counterterrorism analyst who worked as an investigator for the Joint Inquiry. Reviewing files at FBI headquarters, he came across a stray reference to a bureau informant in San Diego who had known one of the hijackers. Intrigued, he decided to follow up in the San Diego field office. Bob Graham, the former chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, told me recently that Robert Mueller, then the FBI director (and now the special counsel investigating connections between Russia and the Trump campaign) made “the strongest objections” to Jacobson and his colleagues visiting San Diego. SickZip fucked around with this message at 19:32 on Mar 26, 2019 |
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:drat I was trying to remember which of those were the one I was thinking of and the answer was neither - Michael Hastings, now there's a good conspiracy. A journalist working to expose instances of surveillance by intelligence agencies, expresses that he knows the FBI is investigating him, is "onto a big story" and needs to go "off the radar", and also expresses that he thinks his car has been tampered with. He immediately dies in a single-vehicle crash the next day in which his car was flooring it and on fire. The FBI denies investigating him, misses FOIA deadlines when questioned about it, eventually revealing they had lied and had opened an unusual investigation because of his journalism. There's a fuckin' conspiracy. You left out the part where members of SOCOM had threatened his life and he told people he had something big on John Brennan, who was head of the CIA at the time, right before his accident
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# ? Mar 26, 2019 19:37 |
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My conspiracy theory is that every single think tank has somebody reading D&D and C-spam and pick the best lines/ideas and push it while putting their spin on it.
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# ? Mar 26, 2019 19:51 |
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Luckyellow posted:My conspiracy theory is that every single think tank has somebody reading D&D and C-spam and pick the best lines/ideas and push it while putting their spin on it. The other way around. There were posters being paid to push products here over a decade ago. You're nuts if you think some of the leading posters arent social media experts working for pay
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# ? Mar 26, 2019 20:31 |
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SickZip posted:The other way around. There were posters being paid to push products here over a decade ago. You're nuts if you think some of the leading posters arent social media experts working for pay GWS owns for this because posters will be like "what's a good blender for making smoothies or whatever?" and Certain Individuals drop a referral link to a commercial vitamix and rack up that store credit.
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# ? Mar 26, 2019 20:58 |
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Willie Tomg posted:GWS owns for this because posters will be like "what's a good blender for making smoothies or whatever?" and Certain Individuals drop a referral link to a commercial vitamix and rack up that store credit.
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# ? Mar 26, 2019 21:01 |
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SickZip posted:The other way around. There were posters being paid to push products here over a decade ago. You're nuts if you think some of the leading posters arent social media experts working for pay
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# ? Mar 26, 2019 21:04 |
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Luckyellow posted:My conspiracy theory is that every single think tank has somebody reading D&D and C-spam and pick the best lines/ideas and push it while putting their spin on it. that would explain their lovely quality LOL
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# ? Mar 26, 2019 21:07 |
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"Innocence of the Muslims" was an FSB joint prove me wrong
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# ? Mar 26, 2019 22:17 |
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R. Guyovich posted:this is the all-purpose conspiracy thread, which now includes speculation on the #Russiagate investigation. qanon is kind of its own thing still, but might get folded into this thread at some point. have at it. A conspiracy of people charged and convicted of conspiracy,
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# ? Mar 26, 2019 23:56 |
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who killed JFK?
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# ? Mar 26, 2019 23:59 |
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Also who killed Seth Rich?
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# ? Mar 26, 2019 23:59 |
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Typo posted:Also who killed Seth Rich? I still think it was Putin's doin'
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# ? Mar 27, 2019 00:51 |
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Typo posted:who killed JFK? Time travelling Courtney Love.
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# ? Mar 27, 2019 06:12 |
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this isn't the first time Herr Guyovich has attempted to stuff discussion of Trump - Russia relations into a containment thread, but it is the most convenient excuse
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# ? Mar 27, 2019 06:27 |
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Typo posted:who killed JFK? Rafael Cruz sr
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# ? Mar 27, 2019 06:32 |
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Not sure if it was posted but Taibbi posted a chapter from his upcoming book about the situation here
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# ? Mar 27, 2019 07:20 |
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GreyjoyBastard posted:this isn't the first time Herr Guyovich has attempted to stuff discussion of Trump - Russia relations into a containment thread, but it is the most convenient excuse As a believer in a conspiracy theory, I think it is unfair my conspiracy theory is lumped in with other dumb conspiracy theories because mine is real
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# ? Mar 27, 2019 19:58 |
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Elliott Smith was murdered by the Recording Industry Association of America and also, possibly, Courtney Love.
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# ? Mar 27, 2019 21:30 |
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vilerat and brown moses were undercover agents
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# ? Mar 27, 2019 22:11 |
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Rodatose posted:vilerat and brown moses were undercover agents
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# ? Mar 27, 2019 22:15 |
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Rodatose posted:vilerat and brown moses were undercover agents brown moses is CIA
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# ? Mar 27, 2019 22:17 |
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DnD is like 1970s US communist party: more CIA than actual leftists LOL
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# ? Mar 27, 2019 22:31 |
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at least half the people posting itt are prob CIA agents
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# ? Mar 27, 2019 22:32 |
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In radicalising Marx you've only created a navel-gazing paralysis: constantly analysing, but afraid to take action. Sure, the investigations thread is gassed now, but you've created a power vacuum--no image to become, just a new hegemony to atomise.
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# ? Mar 27, 2019 23:29 |
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Someone post the best of Louise Mensch. Remember when she was the hero of Russiagaters here lol
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# ? Mar 27, 2019 23:53 |
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AGGGGH BEES posted:In radicalising Marx you've only created a navel-gazing paralysis: constantly analysing, but afraid to take action. Sure, the investigations thread is gassed now, but you've created a power vacuum--no image to become, just a new hegemony to atomise. Is this like Avshalom-posting but for Mueller instead of Israel?
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# ? Mar 28, 2019 00:18 |
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There's a long-form Mueller report and all the most damning evidence of Russia collusion is in there
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