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So speaking of anything else: The Tax Policy Center has a paper up on alternatives to the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act. 9,216 of them. The paper's as much about them showing off as it is analysis, but it's still very interesting. quote:We find many plans that cost less than the TCJA but provide greater benefits (in terms of after-tax incomes) to tax units in the bottom four quintiles. For any given quintile, we find plans that raise average after-tax income more than the TCJA while costing less,although these plans are easier tofind for the bottom four quintiles than for the top quintile. And although many plans cost less than the TCJA while benefitting tax units in each of the bottom four quintiles, we find no plan that benefits the top quintile more than the TCJA while benefitting any of the bottom four quintiles more than the TCJA. If you need a source for the tax cut being about a (poorly executed) handie for the rich and absolutely nothing else, this is a pretty exhaustive demonstration. 
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kidkissinger posted:Nazi Germany executed people for being socialists wtf are you talking about Christ. I get the knee-jerk "NAZIS WEREN'T SOCIALISTS" thing, I do, but come the gently caress on guys.
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InsertPotPun posted:The Nazis rode a socialist party's bones to get into power. it's doubtful they could have gotten into power without that. The only reason the Nazis were ok with socialism, long enough to take over the party, was because the socialism came with a promise to not give anything to minorities. "Join the Nazi party and you get this...but THEY won't." Robbing minorities and using it to fund a social safety net for party supporters isn't quite what I'd call "socialism".
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InsertPotPun posted:The Nazis rode a socialist party's bones to get into power. it's doubtful they could have gotten into power without that. The only reason the Nazis were ok with socialism, long enough to take over the party, was because the socialism came with a promise to not give anything to minorities. "Join the Nazi party and you get this...but THEY won't." what does any of this have to do with workers controlling the means of production, the key defining point of socialism
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Mar 26, 2019 17:24
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Deferred prosecution isn't there same as "charges dropped." The media is being very dumb about this. Where are you seeing deferred prosecution? Literally everyone is reporting “charges dropped”, but there’s no quotes from the prosecution.
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Mar 26, 2019 17:25
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InsertPotPun posted:The Nazis rode a socialist party's bones to get into power. it's doubtful they could have gotten into power without that. The only reason the Nazis were ok with socialism, long enough to take over the party, was because the socialism came with a promise to not give anything to minorities. "Join the Nazi party and you get this...but THEY won't." literally the first instance of mass privatization was under the nazis.
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Mar 26, 2019 17:26
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kidkissinger posted:what does any of this have to do with workers controlling the means of production, the key defining point of socialism No, no, no! Socialism means "thing I don't like that might cost money or help someone of a different skin color"! Don't you consume any US news media? Sheesh!
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Main Paineframe posted:Robbing minorities and using it to fund a social safety net for party supporters isn't quite what I'd call "socialism". Fascism rises when socialism fails. It's not exactly a coincidence that it often tends to have socialist elements, especially if those elements are restricted to the ingroup and come at the cost of the outgroup. But it also isn't socialism. Fascism is to socialism as vampires would be to people if vampires were real.
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Main Paineframe posted:Robbing minorities and using it to fund a social safety net for party supporters isn't quite what I'd call "socialism".
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Stickman posted:Where are you seeing deferred prosecution? Literally everyone is reporting “charges dropped”, but there’s no quotes from the prosecution. Some of the first articles mentioned deferred prosecution but his lawyers came out and said there was no deferred prosecution deal, just the charges dropped outright.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Fascism rises when socialism fails. It's not exactly a coincidence that it often tends to have socialist elements, especially if those elements are restricted to the ingroup and come at the cost of the outgroup. But it also isn't socialism. Fascism is to socialism as vampires would be to people if vampires were real.
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InsertPotPun posted:Fine. What's the term for "fascist socialism"? A "Nazi commie" or "commie Nazi" bastard IIRC
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InsertPotPun posted:Fine. What's the term for "fascist socialism"? The term is Oxymoron
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eviltastic posted:So speaking of anything else: My wealthy parents were complaining about how their taxes didn't go down as much as they had thought they would. Meanwhile I'm paying about the same as always. My progressive Dem mom: "No that can't be right. Everyone was supposed to get a tax cut."
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InsertPotPun posted:No, it's what THEY called "socialism". I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying it's what they did. I'm drawing a direct parallel to today's Republican party which is very very much on the "Socialism=hand outs to minorities" train and is very very much ok with socialism as long as it's only for whites (currently rich whites since they've been fed so much "poor people are rich in spirit" propaganda it's a social embarrassment to take government money). Nazis also called genocide "the final solution" but we generally stick to acknowledging that what they did was genocide. The Nazis were not in fact socialists, they very much were fascists.
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Guze posted:I really thought they'd get more than two days out of Barr's letter before doing something massively stupid. Literally when has Trump ever been able to capitalize on good PR? He and his are loving dogshit at it. When Comey made his announcement that they were reopening the investigation, Trump declared he would throw Hillary in jail within 48 hours. Every time the White House gets some good news, they gently caress it up before the end of the week. Remember when Trump was announcing his proposed deal to end the shutdown? Then he spiked his own face saving deal because it didn't have the wall?
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https://twitter.com/david_j_roth/status/1110579285889376269
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InsertPotPun posted:The Nazis rode a socialist party's bones to get into power. it's doubtful they could have gotten into power without that. The only reason the Nazis were ok with socialism, long enough to take over the party, was because the socialism came with a promise to not give anything to minorities. "Join the Nazi party and you get this...but THEY won't." They weren't socialists in any meaningful sense of how we understand it. They nationalized industries but also eliminated welfare programs. They sought equality but only for people of specific groups. Fascism took pieces of socialism and completely warped it. quote:No, it's what THEY called "socialism". I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying it's what they did. I'm drawing a direct parallel to today's Republican party which is very very much on the "Socialism=hand outs to minorities" train and is very very much ok with socialism as long as it's only for whites (currently rich whites since they've been fed so much "poor people are rich in spirit" propaganda it's a social embarrassment to take government money). It is accurate to say that the NSDAP was "socialist" in the same sense that the DPRK is a "democratic republic". They did not consider themselves socialists any more than Kim Jong-un considers himself leading a democracy. InsertPotPun posted:Fine. What's the term for "fascist socialism"? Just fascism. Socialism predates fascism.
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InsertPotPun posted:Fine. What's the term for "fascist socialism"? it's literally just socialism with the bigotry and militarism of nationalism infused into it perhaps you might call it nationalist socialist
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Mar 26, 2019 17:32
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Pablo Nergigante posted:Some of the first articles mentioned deferred prosecution but his lawyers came out and said there was no deferred prosecution deal, just the charges dropped outright. I think the Chicago Sun-Times had an inaccurate byline and corrected it without stating they did. Rolling Stone, for example, describes the piece as quote:Prosecutors in Chicago dropped all criminal charges against Jussie Smollett and the actor will have his record wiped clean as part of a deferred prosecution deal, the Chicago Sun-Times reports. quote:Smollett lawyer Patricia Brown Holmes said there was no deal with prosecutors.
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Boris Galerkin posted:People who use two spaces after a period are literally worse than Trump. I kinda agree, I had a writing partner years ago and he would do that and it drove me nuts. It's so aesthetically displeasing. And even though I'm old, we grew up with computers! There is no excuse for doing that.
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HOTLANTA MAN posted:He's also a bad actor and Empire sucks Counterpoint: He's a good actor, and a good looking man. Would go on a date with him. Also, Empire is fun pulpy TV.
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Roth, you're an idiot. How in hell does "residing in their heads" relate to landlords?
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Pablo Nergigante posted:The term is Oxymoron Iunno, the Nazbols are kinda fascist socialists.
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VideoGameVet posted:Roth, you're an idiot. he's making a joke about people making incredible reaches to accuse omar of antisemitism.
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Mar 26, 2019 17:34
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Groovelord Neato posted:he's making a joke about people making incredible reaches to accuse omar of antisemitism. Oh, I missed the sarcasm tag. Never Mind.
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eviltastic posted:I think the Chicago Sun-Times had an inaccurate byline and corrected it without stating they did. Yeah I think that's what happened, if you google "Jussie Smollett deferred prosecution" the first result is the Sun-Times article and the cached blurb still has "The "Empire" actor reached a deferred prosecution deal"
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InsertPotPun posted:(currently rich whites since they've been fed so much "poor people are rich in spirit" propaganda it's a social embarrassment to take government money). I, a Randian
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Yeah no poo poo they dropped the charges. The CPD story/version of events has never at any time made the slightest bit of sense and you can set your watch to cpd doing illegal poo poo
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Mar 26, 2019 17:36
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VideoGameVet posted:Roth, you're an idiot. He's making fun of bad faith critics of Omar
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InsertPotPun posted:Fine. What's the term for "fascist socialism"? fascism I mean it's not complicated, I don't want to be trivializing but fascism is fascism, that's the term
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Xombie posted:They weren't socialists in any meaningful sense of how we understand it. They nationalized industries but also eliminated welfare programs. They sought equality but only for people of specific groups. Fascism took pieces of socialism and completely warped it. And no one is ever mad about the socialist ideas, no one ever attacks the Nazis for them, socialist ideas are popular but only if wrapped in promises to not accidentally help a minority.
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'guy pays two hella jacked guys market rate for physical training/coaching/nutrition planning months before a shirtless photo shoot' and 'people buy ski masks ~on camera~ 2 days before huge mega cold snap' are like the least compelling pieces of evidence ever. Probably gonna come out that he was assaulted by some off duty cpd
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InsertPotPun posted:Fine. What's the term for "fascist socialism"? National socialism. And it's about as far removed from actual socialism as capitalism is, only being socialist in the sense that it emphasizes a "society must serve the interests of the state" thinking. The actual socialists in the party (albeit still far-right) were lead by Gregor Strasser, who Hitler had killed during the Night of Long Knives. Lassitude fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Mar 26, 2019 |
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Mar 26, 2019 17:39
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1098615818512941057 Just in case you forgot how lovely this whole situation got He commented on this before he said anything about the Coast Guard officer who had a kill list of his political enemies.
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Also, reading through the source reporting, lol at the Chicago PD getting the Comey treatmentquote:The hearing lasted less than 5 minutes. Judge Steven G. Watkins sealed the case file.
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VideoGameVet posted:Roth, you're an idiot. I think he's making a joke
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eviltastic posted:Also, reading through the source reporting, lol at the Chicago PD getting the Comey treatment of course hthe evidence was rock solid, he planted it himself
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Look the check had "for crimes to slander MAGAS" right in the memo what more could you need??
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Mr_Moose posted:https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1098615818512941057 lol. way to say the quiet parts loud donny.
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