|
Lycus posted:I'm legitimately surprised, I really thought there would be a bump in support. I'm not, I think people don't give the populace in general enough credit for their ability to discern between "wasn't convicted" and "isn't guilty." Trump's entire brand is crimes.txt, everyone knows he's a scumbag, the problem here is the leap to proving that he's a foreign intelligence asset on top of being a scumbag that they can't quite make the leap on in terms of the law. But even if you don't think Trump is an FSB asset or whatever like, he's still a white supremacist douchebag capitalist lol.
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2019 02:19
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 2, 2024 14:22 |
|
|
If Trump could just learn to stop doing that rear end in a top hat-shaped-mouth thing that he does that's like five points right there, I bet.
|
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2019 02:19
|
|
|
MSDOS KAPITAL posted:If Trump could just learn to stop doing that rear end in a top hat-shaped-mouth thing that he does that's like five points right there, I bet. He's trying to keep his dentures in.
|
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2019 02:20
|
|
|
skylined! posted:Ya so they’re continuing to obstruct justice for no gain in the public eye. The more time that goes on the more obvious it is that trumps ceiling and floor are both about 40%, +/- 3% and disapproval will always be at least 50% I don't think the report will help Trump in the long run despite their winning the early narrative, but isn't it usually at least a week before big news affects polls? Dr Christmas fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Mar 27, 2019 |
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2019 02:20
|
|
|
Crows Turn Off posted:This is killing me, what the hell. Sounds about right.
|
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2019 02:21
|
|
|
Dozens of goons rushing in to Um Actually that they met their wife through online dating and have been married for ten years, completely missing that “being married for ten years” is the exact opposite of being in the dating pool NOW 
|
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2019 02:22
|
|
|
"Pauline Hanson’s anti-Muslim immigration party has been filmed lobbying the National Rifle Association in the U.S. for millions of dollars in funding, promising to help water down laws restricting gun ownership in Australia." https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-26/hanson-s-anti-muslim-party-caught-in-sting-seeking-nra-funding NRA is a global infestation; new surprise evidence.
|
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2019 02:22
|
|
|
I’m of the opinion that reaction to Mueller has been baked into polls for a while. Did anyone’s opinion really change?
|
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2019 02:22
|
|
|
Lycus posted:I'm legitimately surprised, I really thought there would be a bump in support. I'm not. I really feel like at this point everyone knows where they stand on Donny T., no matter what else happens.
|
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2019 02:24
|
|
|
GreyjoyBastard posted:yeah, add it to the emoluments pile (which is currently being litigated! by other hotel chains, who frankly have even more bottomless piles of cash!) Yep. Just got a wee kick about how all crappy it all is. MERCH!
|
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2019 02:24
|
|
|
BDawg posted:I’m of the opinion that reaction to Mueller has been baked into polls for a while. It gives me some glimmer of hope that people see through the garbage media takes consisting of “MUELLER TOTALLY EXONERATES TRUMP!” since none of us have actually seen the report. Also, after legal experts working for the media have had a chance to do a close reading of the Barr Memo, we’ll start to see more nuanced coverage. Hopefully.
|
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2019 02:27
|
|
|
edit: misread the question.
|
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2019 02:30
|
|
|
BDawg posted:I’m of the opinion that reaction to Mueller has been baked into polls for a while. Anyone who's even remotely in touch with American politics has made up their mind on Trump already, but there's probably at least a few dozen voters who've been living in caves since 2016 who are going to walk by a bunch of newspapers with the headline "TRUMP EXONERATED, DEMS IN DISARRAY" and have a vaguely positive association with Trump rumbling around in their gut for a while, so I wouldn't be too surprised if he gets a 1-2% boost for a while, though it might be so small that it's drowned out by statistical noise. I don't expect it to help him much in November of 2020 though.
|
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2019 02:32
|
|
|
holy poo poo, i thought the video with Mike Lee's baby speech had Aquaman edited in by some rando to clown on him and why didn't i know better at this point
|
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2019 02:32
|
|
|
I want Ken Bone’s thoughts on the Barr memo.
|
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2019 02:34
|
|
|
Strange Poon posted:holy poo poo, i thought the video with Mike Lee's baby speech had Aquaman edited in by some rando to clown on him and why didn't i know better at this point Nope! He was trying to make some point about giving the Green New Deal the "respect it deserves", but I don't think he got his point across. Unless his point was to look unhinged, in which case, good on him!
|
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2019 02:37
|
|
|
Jealous Cow posted:It gives me some glimmer of hope that people see through the garbage media takes consisting of “MUELLER TOTALLY EXONERATES TRUMP!” since none of us have actually seen the report. I dunno the coverage only seemed to be pro-trump on the evening the letter was released, quickly shifted to "something is fishy here" the next day, and now seems focused on "where report?" type stuff. I'm sure Fox is still on "Trump proven innocent" but they already were before he letter and report anyway. I think Barr misjudged how quickly the modern news cycle can tear through poo poo. Which is kinda crazy considering Iran Contra which ithe has quite the knowledge of went from discovery to full on explosive scandal in a matter of two weeks so e should know better about how badly coverups can unravel.
|
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2019 02:38
|
|
|
what on earth...
|
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2019 02:39
|
|
|
Nobody's opinions are going to be changed at this point. There are no undecideds or moderates or non-aligned people in this. You either hate Trump or you love Trump and no positive or negative coverage of him is going to change this. Fortunately the "hate-Trump" group seems to be overwhelmingly dominant electorally if the 2018 midterms are anything to go by (and he wasn't even on the ballot)
|
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2019 02:39
|
|
|
A lot can and will happen before November 2020. If nothing else, the fact that the Republicans are hellbent on gutting healthcare for anyone earning less than a billion a year will hopefully give people food for thought. I also kind of feel that an election campaign based on “I totally WASN’T a Russian asset, even if you’d totally believe that I was!” will have...less than ideal optics.
|
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2019 02:39
|
|
|
Jealous Cow posted:It gives me some glimmer of hope that people see through the garbage media takes consisting of “MUELLER TOTALLY EXONERATES TRUMP!” since none of us have actually seen the report. Given the current adminstration's manic attempts to bury the full Mueller report under 200 feet of fresh asphalt, I would personally not give one flying gently caress about the Barr Memo and am hoping, lobbying, and motivating for the Full Mueller. I guess if "legal experts" close reading yields some short-term propaganda efforts, then yay. I guess. 
|
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2019 02:40
|
|
|
Not to mention even Barr's suspicious letter outright said "Yeah the Russians were actively trying to get Trump elected." The meat of the scandal (that the Russians played a role, likely a decisive one, in putting Trump in the White House) isn't lost on people even if Trump just went from "possible collaborator" to "useful moron"
|
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2019 02:42
|
|
|
Lightning Knight posted:I'm not, I think people don't give the populace in general enough credit for their ability to discern between "wasn't convicted" and "isn't guilty." Trump's entire brand is crimes.txt, everyone knows he's a scumbag, the problem here is the leap to proving that he's a foreign intelligence asset on top of being a scumbag that they can't quite make the leap on in terms of the law. But even if you don't think Trump is an FSB asset or whatever like, he's still a white supremacist douchebag capitalist lol. your characterization of people interested in the Mueller Report is wrong, bad, and cartoonish edit: I may have misread what you're saying
|
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2019 02:42
|
|
|
I guess I should add the caveat that if things the GOP do start effecting it's voter base negatively there might be people swapping over, but I still half doubt it.
|
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2019 02:43
|
|
|
KillerQueen posted:I guess I should add the caveat that if things the GOP do start effecting it's voter base negatively there might be people swapping over, but I still half doubt it. If the GOP gets behind his abolishing ACA rhetoric it'll be a bloodbath. But I think they're smarter than that.
|
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2019 02:46
|
|
|
Jealous Cow posted:Also, after legal experts working for the media have had a chance to do a close reading of the Barr Memo, we’ll start to see more nuanced coverage. Hopefully. Seth Abramson vivisected it already, https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1110266463506567168.html @SethAbramson is on fire today, multiple well-thought out threads. Also, The Hill is citing Maxine Waters as their source for Deutsche Bank turning over documents.
|
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2019 02:47
|
|
|
FizFashizzle posted:
bold choice that
|
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2019 02:47
|
|
|
skylined! posted:Ya so they’re continuing to obstruct justice for no gain in the public eye. The more time that goes on the more obvious it is that trumps ceiling and floor are both about 40%, +/- 3% and disapproval will always be at least 50% I still think he colluded with Russia too.
|
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2019 02:48
|
|
|
FizFashizzle posted:If the GOP gets behind his abolishing ACA rhetoric it'll be a bloodbath. Counterpoint: lobbyist with moneybags.
|
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2019 02:48
|
|
|
KillerQueen posted:I guess I should add the caveat that if things the GOP do start effecting it's voter base negatively there might be people swapping over, but I still half doubt it. We're already seeing the GOP very visibly gently caress over its voter base in a way that even the actual voter base generally agrees is poo poo with Trump's stupid trade war. Honestly I'm kind of surprised we don't see democrats throwing "Trade wars are easy to win" in Trump's face more often.
|
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2019 02:49
|
|
|
Fojar38 posted:Not to mention even Barr's suspicious letter outright said "Yeah the Russians were actively trying to get Trump elected." The meat of the scandal (that the Russians played a role, likely a decisive one, in putting Trump in the White House) isn't lost on people even if Trump just went from "possible collaborator" to "useful moron" This is what really gets me about this whole thing. Great, Trump isn’t a literal Russian agent. That means he’s just straight-up stupid enough to give Putin everything he could ever want for free.
|
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2019 02:49
|
|
|
Wouldn't that depend on how the party loyalty struggle plays out? If Trump gets a bug up his rear end about repealing the ACA and somehow doesn't forget about it in two days how does McConnell distract him? Edit: WRT falling in line on an ACA repeal
|
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2019 02:50
|
|
|
The problem is that it's a court battle and GOP legislators won't be put in a position to do something to save it. They will just do what Collins is doing and hem and haw and write letters and express concern. It's sort of terrible for them though, because it's a disaster if it gets struck down and if tons of Colorado peeps go out to vote out Trump in anger, it still fucks over Gardner even though he couldn't do anything about it. But that is the bed they have made.
|
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2019 02:56
|
|
|
BigglesSWE posted:A lot can and will happen before November 2020. Politically speaking the GOP and Trump have embraced nothing but own-goal issues that are disasters politically. Gutting ACA once and for all? Trying to indict Hillary, Comey and etc? Sure are winning issues for 2020, yup!
|
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2019 02:57
|
|
|
BigglesSWE posted:Counterpoint: lobbyist with moneybags. The last time they tried this not only was it a huge disaster, not only did they fail, but they lost the house and got btfo all over the country at the local level. If they do that in 2020? You're getting a D President, a bunch of VERY left house members, got knows what at the state level, and maybe McConnell is gone.
|
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2019 02:57
|
|
|
AmiYumi posted:Dozens of goons rushing in to Um Actually that they met their wife through online dating and have been married for ten years, completely missing that “being married for ten years” is the exact opposite of being in the dating pool NOW Edit: I considered making a "Anyway Tinder is where my wife finds her playmates"  joke but I couldn't figure out a way to do it so that it was both tasteful and clearly a joke so fill it in yourself
Tibalt fucked around with this message at 03:00 on Mar 27, 2019 |
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2019 02:58
|
|
|
Just go to the bar and keep your options open.
|
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2019 03:00
|
|
|
Shimrra Jamaane posted:Teflon Don works in both directions, he can never lose that base but he can’t ever gain support. Pretty much, his core fans already thought he was 100% innocent, having this doesn't do anything but make them more smug and insufferable, the rest of the people who thought he was shady still think it.
|
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2019 03:01
|
|
|
Russiagate is the liberal version of birtherism (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
|
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2019 03:03
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 2, 2024 14:22 |
|
|
GreyjoyBastard posted:your characterization of people interested in the Mueller Report is wrong, bad, and cartoonish I'm not really sure what you think I'm saying. 
|
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2019 03:03
|
|