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Zoig posted:Yeah, its more like, you have (45 + 40 + 37 + 30)/4 as your average power level. Removing the Item gives you (45 + 40 + 37)/3 which increases the average by a significant amount. Wouldn't it be easier to just always be dividing by the maximum number of pieces of gear?
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SpacePig posted:Wouldn't it be easier to just always be dividing by the maximum number of pieces of gear?
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Do all those parts just make damage numbers bigger, or do they also do something cool?
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Cardiovorax posted:I haven't played Anthem and by God I don't plan to, but I'm guessing they decided on this on the basis that you might not start out with a full set of gear and they didn't want you to have your base weapon's stats divided by 8 or whatever until you can find enough loot to fill up the empties. I haven't played either making us a bunch of weirdos talking about balancing hearsay but if that description is accurate it's super weird. Varying the denominator makes it a weird polynomial which is the root cause of edge cases where you get naked and better. It's a loot game, you should never be encouraged to go naked.
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zedprime posted:But it's linear at least, that seems more sane to balance from the outside.
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zedprime posted:t's a loot game, you should never be encouraged to go naked. https://www.polygon.com/2019/3/25/18281047/world-of-warcraft-hide-slots-transmog-character-customization
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Cardiovorax posted:It doesn't, really. If you had to treat it as a conventional function, then yes, it would be needlessly complex, but in programming, you have the option to use "self-correcting" math of a sorts. Imagine it as (A0 + A1 + ... + A8) / NumberOfFilledSlots, if NumberOfFilledSlots >= 1. It's trivial to program that kind of thing, so for practical purposes, it's really equally easy to do. Loot games love inventing weird polynomials. The genre is basically trying to invent fun math stuff for the designer. But at the end of the day it should make an interesting game, not one where the maximized choice is nakedness.
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Ah, alright. With the way you were talking about polynomials and denominators, it sounded like you were wondering how this makes sense mathematically, not from a design perspective. But yeah, it's dumb.
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zedprime posted:I'm not talking about a computer understanding the function, I'm talking about a designer understanding it to make informed decisions on loot stats, loot drops, etc. No one set out to make it that way. They just built that system and balanced the game to be okay given playing by the rules, and never responded to the test team's "but what if they gently caress with it" reports because they would require a fundamental overhaul at that point.
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Somfin posted:never responded to the test team's "but what if they gently caress with it" reports So you're saying they're a company that writes software.
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"Look, probably nobody's going to find it in the first couple of weeks after launch. We have waaaaaay more important things to fix first." This is what fixed launch dates do to you. Well, that and dysfunctional company cultures / development processes.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ReCog-F9Ro This channel has a lot of funny stuff from Oblivion, though not all are bugs.
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Zoig posted:Yeah, its more like, you have (45 + 40 + 37 + 30)/4 as your average power level. Removing the Item gives you (45 + 40 + 37)/3 which increases the average by a significant amount. WOW kind of had the same issue last year with their latest expansion. Basically they made a system where mob levels scale with your character's item level, so that nothing is too hard or too easy. The problem is that rings only provide some minor stats, so taking them off would significantly lower mob levels while having only a minor impact on your own power. It made it so that wearing rings was an effective dps loss.
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Captain Monkey posted:So you're saying they're a company that writes software. As opposed to a company that makes games, yes.
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Games are software
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Last Chance posted:Games are software hosed up if true
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Zanzibar Ham posted:Do all those parts just make damage numbers bigger, or do they also do something cool? "Cool" is a bit strong, but they can all make numbers bigger for both attack and defence as well as how much stuff you might find, how long you can fly for, how close to stuff you need to be before you auto-grab it and so on. I haven't found any items that do anything outlandishly fun like "cause enemies to turn into homing exploding turnips on death".
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Cardiovorax posted:I haven't played Anthem and by God I don't plan to, but I'm guessing they decided on this on the basis that you might not start out with a full set of gear and they didn't want you to have your base weapon's stats divided by 8 or whatever until you can find enough loot to fill up the empties. whether you start out with a full set of gear or not is also their decision to make
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Like I meant just changing up the weapon's effects beyond basic 'more damage faster firing' etc, which sounds like it doesn't.
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Dabir posted:whether you start out with a full set of gear or not is also their decision to make Yeah, this is why most of these games now you start with every stat-calculating slot filled at the start of the game with nigh-on useless junk and the game won't allow you to remove stuff unless you have a replacement for it.
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Dabir posted:whether you start out with a full set of gear or not is also their decision to make 
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I would play a game where you can randomly turn into a supernova.
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I'd like to introduce you to Plain Sight then 
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Seems like a feature, not a bug.
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Why does the wizard fly by pooping
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haveblue posted:Why does the wizard fly by pooping reality can often be disappointing
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https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/deadman-spring-finals---in-retrospect-?oldschool=1 Runescape permadeath tournament goes horribly wrong: quote:Once a player is teleported to the 1v1 Arena, the rest of the world is filled with dangerous fog for that player. This is to ensure they are instantly killed if they are somewhere they should not be. To enable this, the 1v1 arenas are uniquely marked so that the game knows where fog should be. However, of the 128 arenas that players were teleported into, the majority were not uniquely marked as they should have been. Because of this, the game assumed that the players in those arenas were somewhere they shouldn't be and instantly killed them.
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love to have a car with 15x as much power as a dash 9 locomotive https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2csywV-odvQ&t=72s
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Last Chance posted:Games are software Software companies can usually ignore "what if the user deliberately fucks with it" reports because users loving with it and breaking things are only hurting themselves, and almost no users will deliberately hit outlandish edge cases just to see what happens Games companies do not have that luxury
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Somfin posted:Software companies can usually ignore "what if the user deliberately fucks with it" reports because users loving with it and breaking things are only hurting themselves, and almost no users will deliberately hit outlandish edge cases just to see what happens Rofl. You definitely don't know poo poo about users.
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In all fairness, for gamers, this is basically a competitive hobby.
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Captain Monkey posted:Rofl. You definitely don't know poo poo about users. The company I work for makes B2B software so you might be right
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Somfin posted:The company I work for makes B2B software so you might be right Speaking from experience, if you try to make your software idiot-proof, the world will build a better idiot.
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Segmentation Fox posted:Speaking from experience, if you try to make your software idiot-proof, the world will build a better idiot. A better, richer idiot who makes your sales team break out the champagne, then immediately uses minor parts of your system to a far greater capacity than they were ever meant to accommodate and demands that they be made to work perfectly to the exclusion of all other development work
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haveblue posted:Why does the wizard fly by pooping ask JK Rowling
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Farecoal posted:love to have a car with 15x as much power as a dash 9 locomotive sure looks more fun than doing 10 laps around a featureless circle track at a snail's pace
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Zoig posted:Yeah, its more like, you have (45 + 40 + 37 + 30)/4 as your average power level. Removing the Item gives you (45 + 40 + 37)/3 which increases the average by a significant amount. A null check isn't hard. Count the number of item slots and use that as the divider. If there is no item add zero. Or have a placeholder item that represents "no item equipped" that always returns zero when you're adding up an average power level. That sort of thing is actually stupidly easy.
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Farecoal posted:love to have a car with 15x as much power as a dash 9 locomotive Fkin  at the replay of the car standing upright belching sparks at 2500mph
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