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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Last I heard there was a bill filed that would make Puerto Rico a state in 2021, is that still going through? We would need to hold (yet another) referendum in PR first where the people clearly and unambiguously tells us they want to be a state, which has been a problem in the past. Once that is done, we'd still need total control of everything (both houses and the WH) to make it happen, since the GOP probably figures that if they weren't naturally going to be Dems anyway, Trump has probably now poisoned the well against them for generations.
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Kchama posted:
So answer my question. Why does Smollett want the file sealed?
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Mar 27, 2019 21:32
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DaveWoo posted:https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1110996249329782785 Wow who could have possibly predicted this.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:isnt the green deal pretty popular? jesus christ, he is just blowing his legs off. If there's one thing I have never accused President Trump of having, it's strategic genius.
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Mar 27, 2019 21:33
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If we get 51 seats in the Senate, and the presidency, abolishing the filibuster and ramming through DC and PR statehood absolutely has to happen day one. ...that being said, I don't know that candidates should be too loud about that if they agree because it could galvanize the GOP base. Adding several solidly dem representatives, 4 senators, and some electoral votes would scare the hell out of them.
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Mar 27, 2019 21:34
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yronic heroism posted:If by “the cops” you mean Jussie Smollett and his lawyer’s, then yes, they are trying to frame those guys for a hate crime then sure. If they participated in a hoax... then why were they released without any charges, much less not getting 16 felonies? yronic heroism posted:So answer my question. Why does Smollett want the file sealed? Knowing how grand jury trials work isn't speculating. You were the one speculating that they added charges the prosecutor didn't want, which they literally can't do. They're presented charges, and then the prosecutor's evidence for those charges, and they are then made to vote on the charges based on the evidence. Informing you on Grand Jury 101 isn't speculation.
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Mar 27, 2019 21:34
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Nail Rat posted:If we get 51 seats in the Senate, and the presidency, abolishing the filibuster and ramming through DC and PR statehood absolutely has to happen day one. The Constitution posted:New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.
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Mar 27, 2019 21:36
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Nail Rat posted:If we get 51 seats in the Senate, and the presidency, abolishing the filibuster and ramming through DC and PR statehood absolutely has to happen day one. Hell, add Guam, and then instead of passing the Wyoming Rule, it can be the Guam Rule.
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Mar 27, 2019 21:37
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Dammerung posted:If there's one thing I have never accused President Trump of having, it's strategic genius. Not to try and 6D chess this, but Trump just flat out saying that it doesn't work will definitely decrease the support for it. He is an Authority Figure and they will take him at his word that it is bad.
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Mar 27, 2019 21:37
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Brave New World posted:Apart from Climate Change, the Kiddy Koncentration Kamps and the ongoing disaster in Puerto Rico are the most pressing issues right now. Yet virtually no one seems to be making a big deal over them. Lots of people are talking about these things and making a big deal about them, it's just that the current administration doesn't give a poo poo about them so nothing is being done to help. Rigel posted:We would need to hold (yet another) referendum in PR first where the people clearly and unambiguously tells us they want to be a state, which has been a problem in the past. So it's kind of unlikely and impossible if Trump is reelected? Gotcha.
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Mar 27, 2019 21:38
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Bicyclops posted:Hell, add Guam, and then instead of passing the Wyoming Rule, it can be the Guam Rule. Give the seabirds a couple senators.
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Mar 27, 2019 21:38
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yronic heroism posted:So answer my question. Why does Smollett want the file sealed? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgsEdU4l8XQ
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Mar 27, 2019 21:39
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Rent-A-Cop posted:gently caress it, add Wake and Midway. "Mr Chairman, it's just that bird law in this country - it's not governed by reason."
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Mar 27, 2019 21:39
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Rent-A-Cop posted:gently caress it, add Wake and Midway. Bird rights activist would be proud
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CuddleCryptid posted:Not to try and 6D chess this, but Trump just flat out saying that it doesn't work will definitely decrease the support for it. He is an Authority Figure and they will take him at his word that it is bad. It definitely will decrease support among his base, but I'm not sure to what extent his word carries any validity and weight outside of that group. And, well, it doesn't seem likely that they'd want to seriously engage with the policies within the Green New Deal. Much easier to rant about cow farts and Aquaman.
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Mar 27, 2019 21:40
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Frankly, let's give Puerto Rico all 100 Senators for a little while, and see what they can do with the chamber.
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Mar 27, 2019 21:40
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Rent-A-Cop posted:gently caress it, add Wake and Midway. Well, that is a bunch of silly nonsense. The US Virgin Islands clearly deserve it first after PR, DC, and Guam, they have over 100,000 people.
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Mar 27, 2019 21:40
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yronic heroism posted:So answer my question. Why does Smollett want the file sealed? Innocent people don't like bullshit criminal charges coming up whenever someone does a background check on them?
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Mar 27, 2019 21:40
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Rigel posted:We would need to hold (yet another) referendum in PR first where the people clearly and unambiguously tells us they want to be a state, which has been a problem in the past. All another referendum would do is prove what we already know: Statehood is the option preferred by (at the very least) a plurality of Puerto Rican voters. The ambiguity of the 2012 poll was intentional.
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Mar 27, 2019 21:42
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The Governor of Puerto Rico was demanding that 2020 Dems grant Puerto Rico statehood as recently as February.
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Mar 27, 2019 21:43
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A referendum isn't constitutionally or legally required, all it takes is a territorial government that has met the minimum population requirement petitions congress for statehood and congress passes a law to admit them.
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Mar 27, 2019 21:44
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Kchama posted:If they participated in a hoax... then why were they released without any charges, much less not getting 16 felonies? the 16 felonies were 16 seperate counts of lying to a police officer/filing a false report just pointing out how ridiculous that was
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Mar 27, 2019 21:44
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Bicyclops posted:The Governor of Puerto Rico was demanding that 2020 Dems grant Puerto Rico statehood as recently as February.
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Mar 27, 2019 21:45
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Bicyclops posted:The Governor of Puerto Rico was demanding that 2020 Dems grant Puerto Rico statehood as recently as February. And Puerto Rico is not insignificant to the primary process. That said, as I said above, it's tricky because even if a candidate supports it - and I certainly hope they do - if they say it too loud it's going to be the excuse the GOP needs to motivate their racist base to get to the polls.
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Mar 27, 2019 21:46
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FilthyImp posted:I would love her to be a senator. The governor of Puerto Rico is a dude, you're thinking of the Mayor of San Juan. She's one of Bernie's campaign co-chairs so you'd have to imagine she'd have some sort of place in his administration. edit: actually, looks like she's running for the Governor of Puerto Rico as well. However - she opposes statehood. https://twitter.com/carmenyulincruz/status/1044255481638916096 Nail Rat fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Mar 27, 2019 |
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Mar 27, 2019 21:47
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Baronash posted:All another referendum would do is prove what we already know: Statehood is the option preferred by (at the very least) a plurality of Puerto Rican voters. The ambiguity of the 2012 poll was intentional. A simple yes/no ballot would suffice, we don't need to include other legally invalid options like "free association". It is not constitutionally required, but it is politically required, and a petition from the governor won't be enough. We're not going to ram PR statehood through unless a clear majority vote for it.
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Mar 27, 2019 21:50
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I want to see Puerto Rico be made a state, if only to trigger the CHUDs. I mean I want them to have all the resources of a statehood there too, that's a given but the sooner we can force the CHUDs to decide whether to re-buy new 51 star American flags for their pick'em'up trucks or not the better, just for the lulz.
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Mar 27, 2019 21:50
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exploded mummy posted:the 16 felonies were 16 seperate counts of lying to a police officer/filing a false report Look up “unanimity of verdict”... there are constitutional reasons why they have to prove which specific statement is a lie. If juror 12 says “he lied about x but not y” and jurors 1-11 say “no he lied about y but not x” it’s a problem.
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Mar 27, 2019 21:51
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VH4Ever posted:I want to see Puerto Rico be made a state, if only to trigger the CHUDs. I mean I want them to have all the resources of a statehood there too, that's a given but the sooner we can force the CHUDs to decide whether to re-buy new 51 star American flags for their pick'em'up trucks or not the better, just for the lulz. Combine the Dakotas, have their existing four senators cage-match for the two slots.
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Mar 27, 2019 21:52
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We'd also only need 50 senators, not 51 edit: No joke, the future of the Republic may depend on whether Tom Tillis, Cory Gardner, and Susan Collins keep their seats weeeeeee wait there's a 4th one we need for when Doug Jones probably loses
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VitalSigns posted:A referendum isn't constitutionally or legally required, all it takes is a territorial government that has met the minimum population requirement petitions congress for statehood and congress passes a law to admit them. depends on your interpretation of the Insular cases tbh, but a referendum would needed to formally incorporate the territory under the full control of the US Constitution and lose the terrtitory's sovereignty.
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Mar 27, 2019 21:56
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Kchama posted:If they participated in a hoax... then why were they released without any charges, much less not getting 16 felonies? It’s not illegal to stage a fight/assault scene with a willing participant. It’s street theatre of poor taste maybe, but not illegal. What’s illegal is filing a false report. He’s the one who reported it. And of course you are still ignoring the question about why he wants all this secrecy about a supposed frame job.
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Mar 27, 2019 21:56
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yronic heroism posted:It’s not illegal to stage a fight/assault scene with a willing participant. It’s street theatre of poor taste maybe, but not illegal. What’s illegal is filing a false report. He’s the one who reported it. go away Rahm
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Mar 27, 2019 21:57
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theflyingorc posted:We'd also only need 50 senators, not 51 They'll be claiming 50-star flags are true flags etc..
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Mar 27, 2019 21:58
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yronic heroism posted:It’s not illegal to stage a fight/assault scene with a willing participant. It’s street theatre of poor taste maybe, but not illegal. What’s illegal is filing a false report. He’s the one who reported it. Oh so you yell at me for 'speculating' by laying out Grand Juries 101 to you, but you desperately want my speculation on this?
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yronic heroism posted:It’s not illegal to stage a fight/assault scene with a willing participant. It’s street theatre of poor taste maybe, but not illegal. What’s illegal is filing a false report. He’s the one who reported it. I am going to say that i definately think staging a fight in public is illegal.
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Mar 27, 2019 22:06
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Mar 27, 2019 22:07
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lol democracy is a joke
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