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loving Christ, they will do anything to rig the rules when they lose.
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Bicyclops posted:loving Christ, they will do anything to rig the rules when they lose. And thanks to McConnell stuffing the federal courts, expect this poo poo for a long loving while.
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Mar 27, 2019 22:11
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The law is a land of contrasts.
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Mar 27, 2019 22:12
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Bicyclops posted:loving Christ, they will do anything to rig the rules when they lose. quote:The 3rd District Court of Appeals on Wednesday put on hold a ruling made last week striking down the laws as unconstitutional. It's not a complete 'you lose', it's a stay before it goes to the wisconsin supreme court
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theflyingorc posted:Let me explain why this detective poo poo pisses me off This is a good post, and you’re right it would be dumb to think just getting a detail wrong is necessarily proof of anything other than perception. But look at it in light of his contacts with the guys everyone in the case now agrees are the attackers (whether the attack is real or fictitious) and I say his story sounds a hell of a lot worse than theirs. VitalSigns posted:Innocent people don't like bullshit criminal charges coming up whenever someone does a background check on them? This is the dumbest take I have ever read. No one is going to forget this national news story. They’re not going to be casting for the Empire reunion 20 years from now and suddenly discover this case because it wasn’t expunged or whatever.
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Mar 27, 2019 22:13
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yronic heroism posted:And of course you are still ignoring the question about why he wants all this secrecy about a supposed frame job. It is ridiculous to treat someone with suspicion just because they want a grueling ordeal to be over. He is not obligated to fight on the side of truth and justice by freeing the details of his attack or suing the cops (because that always goes SO well!).
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Mar 27, 2019 22:16
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cr0y posted:I am going to say that i definately think staging a fight in public is illegal. Under what law? Disturbing the peace? Maybe on a sunny afternoon, but this was cold dead of night—no one else was around to be disturbed. Conspiracy to file a false report? Maybe. Only if you can prove they knew he was going to the police. So as long as they don’t literally confess to that, how do you prove it? You first have to prove not only is Smollett guilty but they knew the whole plan. And since the D&D hive mind now thinks he’s innocent as a newborn Bernie (at least until another Thing in the News breaks), how do you propose prosecuting on that. yronic heroism fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Mar 27, 2019 |
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Mar 27, 2019 22:21
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Pigbuster posted:It is ridiculous to treat someone with suspicion just because they want a grueling ordeal to be over. He is not obligated to fight on the side of truth and justice by freeing the details of his attack or suing the cops (because that always goes SO well!). And we are not obligated to think he’s not a liar.
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Mar 27, 2019 22:22
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Party Plane Jones posted:It's not a complete 'you lose', it's a stay before it goes to the wisconsin supreme court And what is the makeup of the Wisconsin Supreme Court? Chud or non-chud?
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Mar 27, 2019 22:22
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Not sure if this was posted before because it's a whole 17 hours old but these guys must know the more they cover it up the more we want it https://twitter.com/funder/status/1110748412557828096?s=19
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Mar 27, 2019 22:23
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:And what is the makeup of the Wisconsin Supreme Court? Chud or non-chud? In a 4-3 decision...
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Mar 27, 2019 22:23
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yronic heroism posted:And we are not obligated to think he’s not a liar. Congrats on making it really obvious to a bunch of people why poc almost universally distrust that the police give one flying gently caress about their well being
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Mar 27, 2019 22:23
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CuddleCryptid posted:Not sure if this was posted before because it's a whole 17 hours old but these guys must know the more they cover it up the more we want it I would not be surprised if Barr is actually doing that, but Scott Dworkin is a moron who constantly lies, so grain of salt
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Mar 27, 2019 22:25
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Why is anyone choosing to view the situation as a gay black man is the perpetrator of a crime instead of a victim as he claims when there is apparently no actionable convict-able evidence that this is the case. The world that you believe in sucks rear end and there’s not enough evidence that it exists. And cops are advocating for its existence so what the gently caress is wrong with you to share their world view frankly?Why not advocate for the people who are not favored by the power structure that exists until it is proven to you that they are not what they seem? And don’t say “what about the two poor guys” because no one here is really even talking about them. There is obviously something weird going on between the cops and Smollett and the cops should bear the brunt of all of your scrutiny.
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Mar 27, 2019 22:25
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the appeal court granted the republican motion to stay the lower court ruling pending a full appeal. so not settled yet on the validity of the law, but the law isn't stayed, and republicans are going to gently caress poo poo up in the mean time a second distrct court blocked some other provisions of the law, which has not been appealed yet its a clusterfuck
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Mar 27, 2019 22:26
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Party Plane Jones posted:It's not a complete 'you lose', it's a stay before it goes to the wisconsin supreme court I'm going to vote so hard for Neubauer on Tuesday. Hagedorn can go suck an egg. Get outta here with that "I can be impartial, I promise!" poo poo.
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TulliusCicero posted:I would not be surprised if Barr is actually doing that, but Scott Dworkin is a moron who constantly lies, so grain of salt Actual news people reported that like 4 days ago. So if anything is a lie, it's because of the timing.
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Mar 27, 2019 22:27
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It's pretty plausible that the sealing of the case / expungement of the charges is relevant to stuff like morals clauses in Smollett's extant or anticipated contracts (or second there are second or third order consequences that relate to IP like Empire) such that he'd want that done, even if the court filings made him look good and the cops look bad. Although with Terrence Howard's history seemingly going unremarked, I guess that parenthetical is less likely. e: welp, nevermind eviltastic fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Mar 27, 2019 |
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Congrats on making it really obvious to a bunch of people why poc almost universally distrust that the police give one flying gently caress about their well being Because people on the internet might choose to believe two poor black men over one rich black celebrity?
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Mar 27, 2019 22:28
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https://twitter.com/colincampbell/status/1110930180493791232 https://twitter.com/craigrwall/status/1110997231551873024 https://twitter.com/cjane87/status/1110906278229037058  https://twitter.com/willsommer/status/1110995509899132934
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Mar 27, 2019 22:28
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yronic heroism posted:
There's no way to predict that he'll keep this job forever or that he won't need to pass a criminal background check at some time in the future, the idea that he or anyone needs to allow bullshit charges to come up on their record forever to appease a fragile white dude on the Internet who will say he's guilty no matter what he does anyway is dumb.
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Mar 27, 2019 22:29
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Huh, so the case files weren't sealed intentionally. I guess Jussie Smollet wasn't hiding anything at all, and is in fact the most innocent a person can be.
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Mar 27, 2019 22:31
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Such a normal, progressive, liberal guy that I have to feverishly post for several pages about how the gay black man who has had his name dragged through the mud for months with no actual evidence of wrongdoing is really the villain in this situation. Such a smart genius guy that I have to deliberately misunderstand the legal system for my arguments to make any sense.
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Mar 27, 2019 22:33
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what's yronic's take going to be after he bluescreens and recovers. I'm going with "a ha, if he were really innocent the court would have sealed the records like they do for innocent people"
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Mar 27, 2019 22:33
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I don't care about Smollet but if he was white they never would have so aggressively investigated this. Wohl and Project Veritas are untouched and do worse poo poo. Loomer begs to be put in jail and fails.
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Mar 27, 2019 22:36
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VitalSigns posted:what's yronic's take going to be after he bluescreens and recovers. I was just going to go with him shouting racial slurs as the true endpoint of people baring their full rear end, but this works too. The thing yronic misses because he is white(I think) is that if you are a PoC you NEVER go to trial because there is a larger chance of you being convicted even if you are innocent. It is cute that they think the justice system is actually just though. friendbot2000 fucked around with this message at 22:39 on Mar 27, 2019 |
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I assume his end point is to disappear again for 2-3 months before another convo about police corruption and persecution of minorities comes up that he can awkwardly bungle his way into
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VitalSigns posted:There's no way to predict that he'll keep this job forever or that he won't need to pass a criminal background check at some time in the future, the idea that he or anyone needs to allow bullshit charges to come up on their record forever to appease a fragile white dude on the Internet who will say he's guilty no matter what he does anyway is dumb. What world are you living in where Hollywood (or anyone with a pulse) forgets Jussie Smollett got charged?
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Lol, just lol if you ever believed anything that chicago police had to say about a black gay man via an anonymous source. What's wrong with you people, come the gently caress on.
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It seems possible to me that Smollet is a head case who thought this stunt would keep him on TV, but the cops have so brazenly hosed it that the prosecutor feels a mistrial is very likely against a wealthy celebrity that can afford good legal reps.
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Mar 27, 2019 22:42
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yronic heroism posted:Because people on the internet might choose to believe two poor black men over one rich black celebrity? Stop trying to make this a classist decision between Jussie and the brothers. From what we’ve seen with the FOIA report, there doesn’t seem to be enough evidence to convict any of them. It’s not our jobs to detective this case and find out what really happened, it’s the cops’, and they completely borked this up. And ffs, you’re the one pushing the theory in which all three men are guilty of staging an attack, while other people think the guilty party is just two or even zero. Stop acting like you’re taking the high road here.
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i had relatives in dhs (in the ""not bad"" parts) and i remember one going "it's interesting nobody ever gets up in arms over undocumented canadians."
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Mar 27, 2019 22:43
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Our big boy likes doin' a big boy order signing. https://twitter.com/EliStokols/status/1111015593971453954?s=19
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Craptacular! posted:It seems possible to me that Smollet is a head case who thought this stunt would keep him on TV, but the cops have so brazenly hosed it that the prosecutor feels a mistrial is very likely against a wealthy celebrity that can afford good legal reps. Ok, but without evidence why choose this viewpoint?
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Craptacular! posted:It seems possible to me that Smollet is a head case who thought this stunt would keep him on TV, but the cops have so brazenly hosed it that the prosecutor feels a mistrial is very likely against a wealthy celebrity that can afford good legal reps. Why would he need help staying on TV, and if the prosecutor felt a mistrial was likely, why did they go full steam ahead on 16 charges? And why would they fear a mistrial if they had such iron-clad evidence?
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yronic heroism posted:What world are you living in where Hollywood (or anyone with a pulse) forgets Jussie Smollett got charged? Why take the risk just to appease bootlickers and racists? Also irrelevant because... lmao just going to ignore the prosecutor saying the records weren't sealed deliberately aren't you
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CuddleCryptid posted:Not sure if this was posted before because it's a whole 17 hours old but these guys must know the more they cover it up the more we want it It's Dworkin, if the tweet opens with "BREAKING:" and makes it all the way to the end without a link to some actual journalism, everything in between can be guarantee to be full of poo poo.
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yronic heroism posted:What world are you living in where Hollywood (or anyone with a pulse) forgets Jussie Smollett got charged? I know it's a popular thing to tell people to love themselves no matter what, but some people shouldn't because they are pieces of poo poo and instead of just loving their lovely selves should instead change. Be less lovely. Shutting up about this and stopping defending cops would be a good first step on that road.
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scopes posted:It's Dworkin, if the tweet opens with "BREAKING:" and makes it all the way to the end without a link to some actual journalism, everything in between can be guarantee to be full of poo poo. The lie in that is definitely that it was breaking news, as that happened on Saturday.
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