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Paradoxish
Dec 19, 2003

Will you stop going crazy in there?

Rex-Goliath posted:

Not saying it’s one way or another but have you co soldered that you may be putting the cart in front of the horse here? Another explanation is that their toxic spiraling mentality is what’s causing them in being unable to get laid.

There's basically no reason to think that this is the case. Like, this thread is really fast to jump on the idea that this data is empowering in some way, but there's no evidence at all for that and the gender gap seems to be an exaggeration of existing imbalances with single people. The gap doesn't really indicate that women are getting to be more selective, it just shows that modern dating hasn't really changed the fact that men who are casually dating are looking to have many partners.

Paradoxish fucked around with this message at 05:01 on Apr 1, 2019

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Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


Illuminti posted:

I met my wife through a friend while drunk at a pub because I believe in tradition and ancient moral values. I also would be poo poo out of luck in the modern dating scene, it would not work for me.

My female friends on tinder etc get an unending stream of dick pics and creeps. Personally I think men aren't getting any because in the past whilst loads of them wanted to instantly get their dicks out and show them to woman believing it to be some incredible lure, that sort of behaviour was discouraged in pubs and restaurants. Only a smaller minority would actually do that. What tinder has done is reveal that there was a sizable group of disgusting men who would have liked to get it out within five minutes of meeting a woman but didn't have the guts to do it. With tinder they've finally been able to realise their dream dating strategy and thus woman have realised how secretly disgusting most men are. Or perhaps realised they are even more disgusting and creepy than they already thought they were.

No it is more a spam economics type thing. The apps mean the creeps can fire off dick pics in dozens of simultaneous conversations while before in the bars they were getting shot down one woman at a time. They are ruining it for everyone but they don't give a gently caress because they don't get any blowback that they can't just ignore. Even if they get blacklisted they just make a new account and continue.


From what I gather apps like Bumble have been gathering popularity as more serious dating apps because they don't allow men to send the first message. That acts as a type of filter against completely out of the blue unsolicited creepy messages which plague apps like Tinder and other dating services like OK Cupid.

pacerhimself
Dec 30, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

I don't like this because it leads to an escalation of sorts that seems to be focused on fake identity instead of natural conversation.

I'm old :corsair:

It's not bad if you're sincere in your personality and how you present yourself. I am loving terrified of the idea of putting on a persona that's not me, and giving people false impressions. I don't want somebody to meet me and then discover 6 months later that actually I'm not at all like the person they met originally.

Mr. Fall Down Terror
Jan 24, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

What if Trump really is completely sound of mind and is just that loving stupid? I tend to doubt it due to seeing videos of him from the 90s when he wasn’t... this, but who knows for sure.

he's definitely not of sound mind but he's more stupid and self centered than he is demented. like, for real, he's having reagan levels of dementia, but this is also compounded by lack of experience, profound incompetence, generally just unfit to lead a boy scout troop, extremely uncurious about the world or anything other than himself, etc

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010
Probation
Can't post for 10 hours!
why can't tech bros use AI for something useful like IDing dick pics and then doing funny things as negative reenforment.

Mendrian
Jan 6, 2013

PhazonLink posted:

why can't tech bros use AI for something useful like IDing dick pics and then doing funny things as negative reenforment.

Because they are the ones sending the dick pics.

mod sassinator
Dec 13, 2006
I came here to Kick Ass and Chew Bubblegum,
and I'm All out of Ass

PhazonLink posted:

why can't tech bros use AI for something useful like IDing dick pics and then doing funny things as negative reenforment.

Just change a few lines of code in the hot dog / not hot dog app and it's basically ready.

edit: ^^^ Also, that.

Mr. Fall Down Terror
Jan 24, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

PhazonLink posted:

why can't tech bros use AI for something useful like IDing dick pics and then doing funny things as negative reenforment.

figuring out the contents of a picture is extremely hard to do, and not in the "they don't want to spend money on it" way but rather in math terms. tumblr is all hosed up now because they put in anti-porn bots that flag all kinds of legit pictures but let the porn bots go free. it's real hard. me just saying "it's real hard" is difficult to parse as innuendo or not, now take a look at this

pacerhimself
Dec 30, 2008

by Fluffdaddy
Not a hot dog.

Push El Burrito
May 9, 2006

Soiled Meat

luxury handset posted:

figuring out the contents of a picture is extremely hard to do, and not in the "they don't want to spend money on it" way but rather in math terms. it's real hard. me just saying "it's real hard" is difficult to parse as innuendo or not, now take a look at this



Weird Snickers ad.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Owlofcreamcheese posted:

They recently changed okcupid so no one can just send messages. You have to send a message into the void to someone, then their profile vanishes from your ability to see it. It does not alert them directly that you messaged them or show them the message, it just pops up that they got a message and they will never see it until they browse to your specific profile (with no possible way to know to do this but to check every profile on earth). It's surely ended the issue of girls getting huge number of creepy messages but basically seems to have made it a pay only site. As you could never possibly receive a message from a stranger on it.

cat tax:



That seems to make the whole thing pointless.

pseudanonymous
Aug 30, 2008

When you make the second entry and the debits and credits balance, and you blow them to hell.

Mendrian posted:

Because they are the ones sending the dick pics.

KittenofDoom
Apr 15, 2003

Me posting IRL

Push El Burrito posted:

Weird Snickers ad.
This makes so much more sense now.

Only registered members can see post attachments!

Heck Yes! Loam!
Nov 15, 2004

a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.

Charlz Guybon posted:

That seems to make the whole thing pointless.

Dick pic sender spotted

Colin Mockery
Jun 24, 2007
Rawr



mod sassinator posted:

Read the article that goes with the charts and there's a good proxy measurement for virginity in there too. Something like 27% of men reporting no sexual activity since they turned 18: https://twitter.com/_cingraham/status/1111629177575350279

Just jerking it isn't a fix for them. I have to imagine the crossover between that demographic and alt-right shitheads, black pillers, etc. is astounding.

What’s the rate of homosexuality in the general population again? Because honestly I think “no sex with a woman” has risen sharply for gay men as social pressure on them to stay in the closet, marry a woman, and have kids has gone sharply down.

I know it’s already called out that that’s one reason it’s only a proxy stat, but I think even the amount it’s off by has changed quite a bit in past years.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

Dick pic sender spotted

Nope, but I did meet my wife on OkCupid and I sent her a message as a stranger.

mistaya
Oct 18, 2006

Cat of Wealth and Taste

mod sassinator posted:

The trend started in 2008 though. IMHO all the analysis etc. is done by folks that aren't really in the dating world these days and completely fail to realize all the apps like Tinder, etc. took off around... 2008 or so.

But yeah to bring it back to US politics, I think it's a pretty darn scary trend. If we think incels murdering people and nazi dirtbags are a problem now, just wait for another ten years and the sexless young male population to rise even higher.

2008 was kind of a huge year in general though. Tinder has to be a big part of it but this is also the year the Tea Party got started and the proto-chuds started to become emboldened, and the Recession cut the legs out from everyone financially so we all ended up in our parent's basements for a while. Though if that was the primary cause (there's other small spikes on the chart) it should have recovered by now, so... Yeah it might just be Tinder and pals.

(Obligatory "Thanks Obama".)

Roadie
Jun 30, 2013

mod sassinator posted:

Read the article that goes with the charts and there's a good proxy measurement for virginity in there too. Something like 27% of men reporting no sexual activity since they turned 18:

I wonder how closely this graph correlates to the rise of online dating/hookups, and stuff like those OKCupid stats where women rate the majority of male profiles as being "below average" while men rate the majority of female profiles as being "above average".

Boris Galerkin
Dec 17, 2011

I don't understand why I can't harass people online. Seriously, somebody please explain why I shouldn't be allowed to stalk others on social media!

luxury handset posted:

figuring out the contents of a picture is extremely hard to do, and not in the "they don't want to spend money on it" way but rather in math terms. tumblr is all hosed up now because they put in anti-porn bots that flag all kinds of legit pictures but let the porn bots go free. it's real hard. me just saying "it's real hard" is difficult to parse as innuendo or not, now take a look at this



I like mine with nuts.

Missing DW-Link
Feb 14, 2019

by VideoGames
If you're capable of communicating with women/men as if they are an actual, literal person (just like you!) you will find success in online dating regardless of how attractive/ugly you think you are.

If you are consistently "ghosted" on online dating platforms, ask a diverse selection of peers to give you feedback on your communication style. If you can't/won't engage with peers, there's a big part of your answer right there.

The hardest thing about dating is working up the courage to talk to someone. Dating apps make it incredibly easy to "connect" but much harder to actually ask someone out. Often times, people are ghosted by someone that wants to go out with them, but aren't confident enough to ask. Waste very little time if you want to go out with someone.. just ask them out. Get to it.

Pellisworth
Jun 20, 2005
I kinda wonder how the rural/urban divide affects sex-having.

It's way easier to get laid if you're in a densely-populated area.

Conversely, it's a lot harder to find a sexual partner if you're rural.

Heck Yes! Loam!
Nov 15, 2004

a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.

Charlz Guybon posted:

Nope, but I did meet my wife on OkCupid and I sent her a message as a stranger.

Hell; same. But I still think it is a better alternative than wading through endless dic pics and "Hey" posts for women.

LeeMajors
Jan 20, 2005

I've gotta stop fantasizing about Lee Majors...
Ah, one more!


Pellisworth posted:

I kinda wonder how the rural/urban divide affects sex-having.

It's way easier to get laid if you're in a densely-populated area.

Conversely, it's a lot harder to find a sexual partner if you're rural.

Um, FarmerOnly.com is still active.

RandomBlue
Dec 30, 2012

hay guys!


Biscuit Hider

Otteration posted:

USPOL: The key to not get ghosted is to be a little bit entertaining/interesting.

"Despite no GOP replacement plan, acting White House chief of staff claims Americans won’t lose health care if 'Obamacare' is struck down":

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/mulvaney-guarantees-americans-covered-obama-health-care-law/story?id=62062573

[ACTING!]

Health care, not health insurance. Just pay for it.

theflyingorc
Jun 28, 2008

ANY GOOD OPINIONS THIS POSTER CLAIMS TO HAVE ARE JUST PROOF THAT BULLYING WORKS
Young Orc

LeeMajors posted:

Um, FarmerOnly.com is still active.

it's true, you don't have to be lonely

Pellisworth
Jun 20, 2005

LeeMajors posted:

Um, FarmerOnly.com is still active.


theflyingorc posted:

it's true, you don't have to be lonely

Yeah but I'm gay and rural, ain't easy.

My profile pic is literally my view to the south. Just gonna be content with my horse, Snicklefritz Kash.

LeeMajors
Jan 20, 2005

I've gotta stop fantasizing about Lee Majors...
Ah, one more!


Pellisworth posted:

Yeah but I'm gay and rural, ain't easy.

My profile pic is literally my view to the south. Just gonna be content with my horse, Snicklefritz Kash.

Oh I was totally kidding there’s no way farmersonly is anything other than a sweaty chud fuckscape.

Pellisworth
Jun 20, 2005

LeeMajors posted:

Oh I was totally kidding there’s no way farmersonly is anything other than a sweaty chud fuckscape.

I live on a reservation, so most of the ranchers around here are actually fairly progressive in terms of politics since the county is 90% Native American and ~10% White. Most of my neighbors are also my cousins tho, heh.

You are correct that young rural America is mostly a sweaty chud fuckscape, I like that characterization.

VideoGameVet
May 14, 2005

It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion. It is by the juice of Java that pedaling acquires speed, the teeth acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion.

Blind date with a supermodel. 1980.

OK?

Comrade Fakename
Feb 13, 2012


When people talk about incels they focus on the sex and miss the bigger picture. Virginity is a symptom, not the cause. If you’re well into your 20s or 30s and still haven’t had sex that means you’ve got that far in life without anything but the most brief of relationships. Maybe you’re asexual or something and that’s a choice you’ve made, in which case, fine. But for most they know that any justification is just a delusion.

This effects far more than your sex life - your friends and peers are having normal lives, dating, getting married, having children. They have less and less in common with you. If they know about your problems your friends start out sympathetic, but as the years move on with no improvement they get frustrated, and eventually just find hanging out with you depressing. So they stop. Eventually you end up with effectively no friends. The world is not set up for single people, you have to get over your aversion to going to the cinema or restaurants alone, because otherwise you simply won’t go.

Most likely you’re unemployed or underemployed. Dating and so on is expensive; paying for dating apps, nicer clothes, restaurants, maybe all that gets put on hold until you have a better job which never happens, perhaps because you’re such an obvious failure. You probably live with your parents, but as time flows the likelihood they’ll fall ill or die or move or do something else that interferes with your living arrangement increases. You’re probably extremely unfit because you feel poo poo all the time so you’ve effectively settled into a permanent state of “self-care”. You could eat better or exercise but you know that your root problem isn’t your health so why bother denying yourself just to be a thin failure?

These guys have extremely poo poo lives. There’s absolutely no excuse for being a nazi but it’s hardly a surprise that they gravitate towards the only group that seems to want them and lets them think that their awful problems aren’t their fault, and there might be a way of fixing things. I think it’s understandably galling for many in the social justice movement to consider that they have to to appeal to straight white men, but if they don’t, others will, and are.

Comrade Fakename fucked around with this message at 06:13 on Apr 1, 2019

RandomBlue
Dec 30, 2012

hay guys!


Biscuit Hider
Can we get off incels already?


I'm sure they wish we would.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952





Tweet of the decade right here.

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006
Y'all making me feel weird about marrying my high school sweet heart and never experiencing dating (Thank God).

Dammerung
Oct 17, 2008

"Dang, that's hot."


Comrade Fakename posted:

When people talk about incels they focus on the sex and miss the bigger picture. Virginity is a symptom, not the cause. If you’re well into your 20s or 30s and still haven’t had sex that means you’ve got that far in life without anything but the most brief of relationships. Maybe you’re asexual or something and that’s a choice you’ve made, in which case, fine. But for most they know that any justification is just a delusion.

This effects far more than your sex life - your friends and peers are having normal lives, dating, getting married, having children. They have less and less in common with you. If they know about your problems your friends start out sympathetic, but as the years move on with no improvement they get frustrated, and eventually just find hanging out with you depressing. So they stop. Eventually you end up with effectively no friends. The world is not set up for single people, you have to get over your aversion to going to the cinema or restaurants alone, because otherwise you simply won’t go.

Most likely you’re unemployed or underemployed. Dating and so on is expensive; paying for dating apps, nicer clothes, restaurants, maybe all that gets put on hold until you have a better job which never happens, perhaps because you’re such an obvious failure. You probably live with your parents, but as time flows the likelihood they’ll fall ill or die or move or do something else that interferes with your living arrangement increases. You’re probably extremely unfit because you feel poo poo all the time so you’ve effectively settled into a permanent state of “self-care”. You could eat better or exercise but you know that your root problem isn’t your health so why bother denying yourself just to be a thin failure?

These guys have extremely poo poo lives. There’s absolutely no excuse for being a nazi but it’s hardly a surprise that they gravitate towards the only group that seems to want them and lets them think that their awful problems aren’t their fault, and there might be a way of fixing things. I think it’s understandably galling for many in the social justice movement to consider that they have to to appeal to straight white men, but if they don’t, others will, and are.

I don't feel as if this is necessarily something denoted simply by being a straight white male who is also a virgin in his late 20's/30's. That really doesn't seem to be the problem - what is the problem is the moment wherein any potential self-dissatisfaction and consternation they feel become a bizarre internalized excuse for hating the world, and believing that the misery and sadness that they feel becomes an excuse to harm and hate others. Having a late start with dating or finding decent employment doesn't necessarily indicate that somebody's going to decide that white supremacy is an attractive ideology, and finding success in dating or employment doesn't mean that somebody is going to become a staunch supporter of progressive causes. I do understand where you're coming from, but I don't think the relationship is quite that simple when it comes to straight white men and their embrace of extremist and nazi ideology.

End boss Of SGaG*
Aug 9, 2000
I REPORT EVERY POST I READ!
That post reads like some frustrated anti-normies rant based on movie and tv stereotypes of how society was decades ago. Bonus blaming the fart huffing exclusionary SJWs for existing and not doing one weird trick to stop nazis.

empty whippet box
Jun 9, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

BrandorKP posted:

Y'all making me feel weird about marrying my high school sweet heart and never experiencing dating (Thank God).

Yeah I had one girlfriend and then married the next so I can barely relate to the dating problems of either my generation or the next one.

Stereotype
Apr 24, 2010

College Slice
If the reason someone is a virgin in their thirties is because they’re a boring self obsessed rear end in a top hat who makes people uncomfortable then I’m not sure why other people are in the wrong for not enduring them.

Illuminti
Dec 3, 2005

Praise be to China's Covid-Zero Policy

VideoGameVet posted:

Blind date with a supermodel. 1980.

OK?

Name and shame.

Comstar
Apr 20, 2007

Are you happy now?

Missing DW-Link posted:


If you are consistently "ghosted" on online dating platforms, ask a diverse selection of peers to give you feedback on your communication style. If you can't/won't engage with peers, there's a big part of your answer right there.

I cannot imagine many people having the courage to post their heart and soul to somethingawful.com forums and getting a helpful response from thier peers.

Maybe I just read the bad threads :(

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Morbus
May 18, 2004

Shifty Pony posted:

...From what I gather apps like Bumble have been gathering popularity as more serious dating apps because they don't allow men to send the first message. That acts as a type of filter against completely out of the blue unsolicited creepy messages which plague apps like Tinder and other dating services like OK Cupid...

lol that's actually a really simple and elegant solution

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