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Toys For rear end Bum posted:https://twitter.com/TheAirWar/status/1111047151654719490 Does Russia not have control over Syrian air space? I guess I am wondering if Israel needed anyone's permission\clearance to hit these targets and if so whose?
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JesusIsTehCool posted:Does Russia not have control over Syrian air space? I guess I am wondering if Israel needed anyone's permission\clearance to hit these targets and if so whose? https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/russia-wants-to-get-iran-out-of-syria-netanyahu-says-after-putin-meet-1.6978647 Maintaining good relations with Israel is a higher priority.
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OhFunny posted:Why would the Russians care? It's not their stuff getting hit and they agreed not to interfere with Israeli strikes back in February. Thanks, the last I had read was when Russia thought Israel had shot down one of their planes and was threatening to be more restrictive.
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-saudi-nuclear/u-s-approved-secret-nuclear-power-work-for-saudi-arabia-idUSKCN1R82MG WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Energy Secretary Rick Perry has approved six secret authorizations by companies to sell nuclear power technology and assistance to Saudi Arabia, according to a copy of a document seen by Reuters on Wednesday.
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Conspiratiorist posted:https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-saudi-nuclear/u-s-approved-secret-nuclear-power-work-for-saudi-arabia-idUSKCN1R82MG The brotherhood of the international dryish fundamentalist petrostates in action I see.
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some good news, three of the saudi female activists have been temporarily released from prison, rumors that the rest will be released this sunday, again this is a temporary release, they appeared in court a few days ago detailing heartbreaking and horrible stories of torture and abuse:- https://www.reuters.com/article/us-saudi-arrests-idUSKCN1R91S6
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JesusIsTehCool posted:Thanks, the last I had read was when Russia thought Israel had shot down one of their planes and was threatening to be more restrictive.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Russia can talk a good game but if push came to shove that is not a fight they'd win. That might be overstating the case, but it's not a fight that's worth having as long as Israel isn't threatening the regime's survival, especially since the US is hyperfocused on supporting Israel. Israel and Russia both have red lines the other tries not to cross, and Netanyahu has met with Putin multiple times, so it's not like Israel is just doing whatever they want with no fear. They do get away with a lot though, and it's hard to say how much is because Russia is nervous about coming into conflict vs how much they actually like Israel keeping Iran from completely dominating the country, or at least from positioning aggressively against Israel and creating more headaches down the line. The war has been costly for Russia even as things stand, and they don't really stand to benefit from any kind of regional escalation.
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Grouchio posted:Wait since when has Israel been able to go toe to toe with Russia's military? Russia's power projection isnt that great.
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Grouchio posted:Wait since when has Israel been able to go toe to toe with Russia's military? Fighting close to home is a big advantage, they have solid capabilities, and it's an open question how capable Russia would be of moving enough forces to the area for a real fight (and how effective their vaunted AA system really is--Russian tech tends to be less impressive in practice than in theory). Israel clearly has more to lose though, and even winning a local war against a nuclear superpower creates risks as they look to save face, so it's not like taking a swing at Russia and hoping for an in theater knockout punch makes much sense. By that same token though, Israel's capabilities are sufficient to make Russia at least think long and hard about doing anything to escalate the situation themselves. Since neither one remotely wants a fight, they talk often and find a way to exist despite having seemingly conflicting interests in Syria. And of course it's unclear how much Russia really gives a poo poo about Iranians getting blown up. Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Mar 28, 2019 |
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Sinteres posted:And of course it's unclear how much Russia really gives a poo poo about Iranians getting blown up. Going by how they reacted to those Wagner assholes who got whacked they don't even care much about Russians getting blown up.
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Grouchio posted:Wait since when has Israel been able to go toe to toe with Russia's military? The Israelis blew up some top of the line Russian air defenses during one of the last big strikes and in general seem to still be able to get in and out of Syria without much issue. They have a very modern air defense network, plenty of anti-shipping platforms, and a superb Air Force so they can project a lot of hard power in the region if they choose to. Russia, meanwhile, has little ability to move troops or sustain any kind of air campaign into the region. Those options they do have would be pretty easily interdicted similarly to Iranian shipments. Keep in mind that Russia is a kleptocracy led by a guy who projects an image of military strength - if poo poo goes sideways in a conflict with Israel not only does his image take a hit domestically, but the Russian defense industry and the $$$ that brings into important people's bank accounts could dry up.
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This sounds dicey: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019...7NeVqAav1RUKWQA I guess Israel has never given a gently caress, but the proxy war is pretty direct at times.
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Why did they not use the F-35 ?JesusIsTehCool posted:Thanks, the last I had read was when Russia thought Israel had shot down one of their planes and was threatening to be more restrictive. If I remember correctly, it was syrians mistaking the trace of the russian plane with that of the Israel's fighters.
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Super86 posted:Why did they not use the F-35 ? Israel is an early-access subscriber and therefore can participate in the open beta of the F-35; however it's still not feature-complete.
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Conspiratiorist posted:https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-saudi-nuclear/u-s-approved-secret-nuclear-power-work-for-saudi-arabia-idUSKCN1R82MG
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Warbadger posted:The Israelis blew up some top of the line Russian air defenses during one of the last big strikes and in general seem to still be able to get in and out of Syria without much issue. They have a very modern air defense network, plenty of anti-shipping platforms, and a superb Air Force so they can project a lot of hard power in the region if they choose to. The Israelis also defeated the Soviet Air Force over Egypt in the 1970s. The IAF is no joke.
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Frond posted:The Israelis also defeated the Soviet Air Force over Egypt in the 1970s. The IAF is no joke. I thought they blow up the grounded Egyptian airforce in a surprise attack.
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Count Roland posted:I thought they blow up the grounded Egyptian airforce in a surprise attack. The 60s and 70s are two different times.
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mlmp08 posted:The 60s and 70s are two different times. Ah! Yeah I misread that.
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rich person slap fightquote:Bezos Investigation Finds the Saudis Obtained His Private Data https://www.thedailybeast.com/jeff-bezos-investigation-finds-the-saudis-obtained-his-private-information
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guidoanselmi posted:rich person slap fight Kushner dude.
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guidoanselmi posted:rich person slap fight drat congrats Saud, didn't think you had it in you to pull off an operation as technically sophisticated as stealing the bezos dick pics. I mean the whole operation was insanely stupid in terms of like strategery and common sense, but still congrats on the execution. For some reason that the fact that THIS of all things is the priority of the Saudi intelligence agency is really telling for some reason. Such a stupid and petty state, to waste its resources on such a terribly ill conceived operation. MBS had so little tolerance for WaPo saying impolite things about him just because he brutally murdered one of their employees that he started a personal feud with one of the richest and most powerful men in the United States. I'm sure this plan sounded real good in MBS's head right? This is some brain-genius politicking here.
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Squalid posted:drat congrats Saud, didn't think you had it in you to pull off an operation as technically sophisticated as stealing the bezos dick pics. I mean the whole operation was insanely stupid in terms of like strategery and common sense, but still congrats on the execution. It's like hereditary wealth makes you dumb as poo poo but also incapable of ever realizing bad actions have consequences
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Squalid posted:I mean the whole operation was insanely stupid in terms of like strategery and common sense, but still congrats on the execution. If the execution were worth of congratulations, we wouldn't be speaking about this right now. I'm glad they were as sloppy as usual regarding their smear campaigns.
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Squalid posted:drat congrats Saud, didn't think you had it in you to pull off an operation as technically sophisticated as stealing the bezos dick pics. I mean the whole operation was insanely stupid in terms of like strategery and common sense, but still congrats on the execution. lmao I am willing to bet a toe on how this is the priority of the CIA as well
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guidoanselmi posted:rich person slap fight *Pants down.
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Toplowtech posted:I really don't get how the hell you end up in a situation like this, was Trump so pissed about "liberals in Silicon Valley" his entourage decided they needed to get Saudis support to help get one of them "down*". Trump hates the Washington Post and bezos owns it.
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fishmech posted:Trump hates the Washington Post and bezos owns it. Toplowtech fucked around with this message at 14:54 on Mar 31, 2019 |
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FlamingLiberal posted:MBS is as dumb as Kushner sometimes Pretty much just as qualified for his position, too.
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Toplowtech posted:Yet, this nonsense still leave a furious owner of the Washington post with half his gigantic fortune, his intact money-making company (amazon) and now a real reason to strike back. There is a Machiavelli quote about how to strike your enemies that said the people who decided to strike were idiots but i feel like we didn't need that confirmation. Maybe they wanted to scare the "other" billionaires. Well, now they can see Trump is dangerous for even the most rich people, i doubt it will help. You're overthinking this, MBS is just trying to score some brownie points with the big dumb babyman who keeps selling him bombs to drop on school buses.
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Turkey had municipal elections yesterday. Amongst other things, it looks like the opposition won Ankara and probably eked a win out in Istanbul(though the AKP may be cheating to get their candidate over the finish line) and several other less significant but still significant cities.
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Jagged Jim posted:You're overthinking this, MBS is just trying to score some brownie points with the big dumb babyman who keeps selling him bombs to drop on school buses. MBS ALSO had his own motive in that the WP was still making noise about 'the Saudis murdered one of our employees' at that point.
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Elyv posted:Turkey had municipal elections yesterday. Amongst other things, it looks like the opposition won Ankara and probably eked a win out in Istanbul(though the AKP may be cheating to get their candidate over the finish line) and several other less significant but still significant cities. The main story is obviously that the CHP won Ankara and Istanbul, but it should be noted that the AKP didn't lose overall, they even slightly improved, compared to the last local elections. The fascist MHP fell from 17 to 7% though.
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cebrail posted:The main story is obviously that the CHP won Ankara and Istanbul, but it should be noted that the AKP didn't lose overall, they even slightly improved, compared to the last local elections. The fascist MHP fell from 17 to 7% though. honestly that seems even better from an outside point of view what happened to precipitate that disintegration?
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cebrail posted:The main story is obviously that the CHP won Ankara and Istanbul, but it should be noted that the AKP didn't lose overall, they even slightly improved, compared to the last local elections. The more openly fascist MHP fell from 17 to 7% though. Fixed that for you.
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