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zoux posted:lol take it easy dude A couple of months back there were these metro ads around DC for FBI recruiting, with the line "field agents can come from any background". I'm surprised no one has captures a photo of that ad to incorporate into the LARP.
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The Rabbi T. White posted:So what company is it going to turn out this is an ARG for? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RxU-64P4cw E- or this more likely 
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The Rabbi T. White posted:So what company is it going to turn out this is an ARG for? NIN has another album coming, it's gonna be a masterpiece at this rate.
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ashpanash posted:This is, like, literally how Chritianity started whoa, thats so deep dude got any other truth bombs youd like to drop
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Toplowtech posted:See i have hear multiple time about Rome lead poisoning problems and its link to the Empire fall but i am starting to think that either America's lead paint problem is really understated or that kind of brain worm is the final stage of most Imperial society. The Boxer rebellion is where my mind goes. Hundreds of thousands of people joining a millenarian cult for reasons of mass spiritual and nationalist redemption and also a desire for massive bloodshed.
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Slutitution posted:This is exactly the kind of arrogant, willfully ignorant attitude among liberals that got Trump elected to begin with. They voted for him because he promised them things they wanted and nobody else promised them anything they wanted. The left didn’t push anyone toward Trump in any way other than not giving anyone anything to live for. Being nice to conservatives won’t stop them from being conservatives. Explosively fragile whites who voted for Obama but “turned” racist were always dangerous, and it’s not anybody’s fault but theirs that they finally bit you.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:They voted for him because he promised them things they wanted and nobody else promised them anything they wanted. The left didn’t push anyone toward Trump in any way other than not giving anyone anything to live for. What the hell is this nonsense, or are you just trying to fancy up "Trump said they can get rid of the undesirables"?
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fishmech posted:What the hell is this nonsense, or are you just trying to fancy up "Trump said they can get rid of the undesirables"? There was an interview with Matthew Continetti on the Ezra Klein Show recently, where he had an interesting quote "If the left thinks the religious right is bad, just wait 'till they see the non-religious right." Now, he was making a point about how, without Christianity, the American right would descend into blood-and-soil, Euro-style nativism. But I think QAnon also fits into this. God is dead, but people need something to fill the god-shaped hole that's left behind. Conspiracy fills the gap. And we didn't have anything to speak to that, but Trump did.
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fishmech posted:What the hell is this nonsense, or are you just trying to fancy up "Trump said they can get rid of the undesirables"? Yes: he promised them that he would kill black people and immigrants, and that was something they wanted.
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LanceHunter posted:Now, he was making a point about how, without Christianity, the American right would descend into blood-and-soil, Euro-style nativism. They're already doing that lol
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Slutitution posted:We are literally in the midst of a fascist takeover in a post-truth society and you motherfuckers are still enabling it. Society isn't post-truth. Especially if you believe it is you should simply deny and because it's post-truth you'll be right.
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Boxer Rebellion is a good comparison to Q, as it was started by literal fake news. Hearst Papers ran a story about China selling the Great Wall, and servants in European Enclaves saw this, brought the news back home, and people freaked the poo poo out.
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At least in the Boxer Rebellion the enemy was real.
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Herman Merman posted:At least in the Boxer Rebellion the enemy was real.
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fishmech posted:What the hell is this nonsense, or are you just trying to fancy up "Trump said they can get rid of the undesirables"? That's exactly what it is. Trump made a series of grandiose promises to his base that he would get rid of the undesirables (especially those darn Mexicans taking their jobs!), make it okay to use Christian fundamentalist beliefs to run a business, make America rich, and bring manufacturing back to the Rust Belt and coal mining back to West Virginia. Anyone with a shred of common sense or a suspicion of hucksters immediately recognized Trump as a senile conman who knew less than nothing about economics and politics, but the base who voted for him fell for his manufactured strongman image and loved the idea of a politician who spoke their racist, virulently nationalist beliefs out loud. Q is a reaction to reality. Trump made all of these promises that he'd create the white America full of coal plants and pickup trucks of their dreams, only for it to immediately become apparent that all the people who said he was a dumbass were actually right! He thinks you can run the economy and do political negotiations the same way that he would make boardroom deals, so he tries to use aggressive negotiating tactics, threats, or simply walking out of the room without making a deal in the hopes that the other side is so desperate that they'll chase after him. Surprise, he's no longer the most powerful guy in the room and everyone can just stare him down until he blinks! Farmers are getting their business hosed up by pointless trade wars, he's obviously corrupt, scores of people involved with him are getting indicted and arrested for what they did on his orders, and the only thing he's got saving him is the rest of the GOP being corrupt and spineless enough that they cover up everything to try and keep him in power. Coal jobs don't come back because rhetoric doesn't make coal suddenly not obsolete, and you don't see factories sprouting up in the Midwest because there's actually a reason people do international trade instead! So instead of acknowledging the truth of their senile pissbaby president, they immediately slide into a delusion that they were right the whole time and Trump is secretly a mastermind. Stuff that looks like him having a dementia moment is actually a sign to his followers! He only hasn't succeeded at fixing everything because all the Democrats are secretly running a shadow government opposing him! It's way easier than admitting that you elected a dumbass.
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fishmech posted:What the hell is this nonsense, or are you just trying to fancy up "Trump said they can get rid of the undesirables"? People are suffering. They have worse lives than their parents, worse jobs, worse prospects, worse homes, they are dying of drugs and diseases. Trump gave them easy answers. But they correctly identified they had serious issues and were struggling, in a way that is often mocked or scorned, and no one else seemed to be speaking to them.
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chitoryu12 posted:It's way easier than admitting that you elected a dumbass. I don’t know that I’d call any of that easier. But it’s certainly what they want to believe.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:People are suffering. They have worse lives than their parents, worse jobs, worse prospects, worse homes, they are dying of drugs and diseases. Trump gave them easy answers. But they correctly identified they had serious issues and were struggling, in a way that is often mocked or scorned, and no one else seemed to be speaking to them. Qanon is just the name that False Consciousness has chosen for itself.
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Ugato posted:I don’t know that I’d call any of that easier. But it’s certainly what they want to believe. Not in terms of complication, in terms of emotion. It's hard to accept that you've been wrong.
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xthetenth posted:Not in terms of complication, in terms of emotion. It's hard to accept that you've been wrong. Yeah, it's a sort of extreme manifestation of the stubbornness everyone goes through when it looks like they're wrong. Because they've built their identities and thoughts of the future on the success of Trump, seeing him be revealed as an utter fraud and failure of a meat sack is crushing. When given the opportunity to believe anything else, of course they'd take it.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:People are suffering. They have worse lives than their parents, worse jobs, worse prospects, worse homes, they are dying of drugs and diseases. Trump gave them easy answers. But they correctly identified they had serious issues and were struggling, in a way that is often mocked or scorned, and no one else seemed to be speaking to them.
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If only someone would go to a midwestern diner and interview these people, we'd know more.
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fishmech posted:Yeah idiot nazis deserve to be mocked and scorned broheim. Nazis don't spring out of the ground fully formed like uruk-hai. The idea is to hopefully intervene when they're at the "hey have you heard of this qanon thing" stage rather than when they're at the "screaming about secret torture pizza basements at a white nationalist rally" stage.
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zoux posted:If only someone would go to a midwestern diner and interview these people, we'd know more. "I'm not a racist just because I want to live among my own people! Taxes are the reason I can't afford to live and am dying of the black lung!"
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Goon Danton posted:Nazis don't spring out of the ground fully formed like uruk-hai. The idea is to hopefully intervene when they're at the "hey have you heard of this qanon thing" stage rather than when they're at the "screaming about secret torture pizza basements at a white nationalist rally" stage. No of course, they made sure to vote for republicans for 50 years straight before they also became Qanon lunatics.
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fishmech posted:No of course, they made sure to vote for republicans for 50 years straight before they also became Qanon lunatics. Before that, though, they were voting for pro-union democrats. Granted the democrats were racist then but still. Dismissing everybody who votes republican as a worthless idiot monster is part of why Trump is in office now. There are a lot of poor, rural people who are being fed propaganda by the right because nobody else is talking to them. They are not all racist assholes. A lot of them are, but not all of them. At some point the left needs to figure out how to reach these people, because relying entirely on educated coastal metropolitans is not working, and you can't educate people you've given up on.
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Enola Gay-For-Pay posted:Before that, though, they were voting for pro-union democrats. Granted the democrats were racist then but still. Dismissing everybody who votes republican as a worthless idiot monster is part of why Trump is in office now. There are a lot of poor, rural people who are being fed propaganda by the right because nobody else is talking to them. They are not all racist assholes. A lot of them are, but not all of them. At some point the left needs to figure out how to reach these people, because relying entirely on educated coastal metropolitans is not working, and you can't educate people you've given up on. They are in fact worthless idiot monsters, considering they're Qanons, bro The left has no need, but more importantly no ability, to reach out to the Trump voter base: reasonably well off racist morons, who by the way mostly live in suburbs just like most of the rest of the country does. Stop with crocodile tears about "poor rural people" in the context of trump support, they were very much not his base and the poor people of rural areas in fact vote much more often for Democrats than they vote for Republicans - when they're able to vote that is!
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Were they voting for pro-union democrats before or after 1965 IMO gently caress em, we need to reach out to left-of-center non-voters and stop pretending that the Trump base is just disaffected coal miners who if they were shown the light of socialism would instantly come around, but rather a bunch of suburban Christian dominionists who pretend to be persuadable but aren't.
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Enola Gay-For-Pay posted:Before that, though, they were voting for pro-union democrats. Granted the democrats were racist then but still. Dismissing everybody who votes republican as a worthless idiot monster is part of why Trump is in office now. There are a lot of poor, rural people who are being fed propaganda by the right because nobody else is talking to them. They are not all racist assholes. A lot of them are, but not all of them. At some point the left needs to figure out how to reach these people, because relying entirely on educated coastal metropolitans is not working, and you can't educate people you've given up on. Qanons aren't poor rural people, nor is Trump's base. Trump won 2016 with more or less the same voters who voted for Romney in 2012. When you exclude the racist assholes and the people who are already voting for Democrats, there just aren't that many "reachable" poor rural people. The route to winning future elections (for either party) is in cities and suburbs, simply because that's where people live.
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https://twitter.com/JerryDunleavy/status/1112783588016209921 Such economic anxiety
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steinrokkan posted:whoa, thats so deep dude https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_source
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/JerryDunleavy/status/1112783588016209921 What a shocker, to see QAnon language in the compelling bullshit story of a lifelong anti-abortion activist who faked her way into Planned Parenthood so she could lie about it from a position of "authority".
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What? The Apprentice was a documentary about the greatest businessman in the world.
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I love how they have all the power: the presidency, the senate and the supreme court, but they'll still never stop being mad about sjws putting minorites in movies and video games.
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Thinking about the poor rurals is why it takes 23 Californians to equal the voting power of one person in Wyoming.
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zoux posted:
Reminds me of that medieval Christian thinker who was all "the whole point of heaven is gonna be sitting on the edge of a cloud and watching everyone you didn't like burn and suffer for eternity, otherwise what's the point?"
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With these people, I'm sort of at the same point as I am with people who are molested as kids and grow up to be child molesters. I think they're victims, they probably needed a lot of help that they never got, and now they're a real danger to everyone else.
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