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OddObserver posted:Well, the other alternatives were the unpopular incumbent and Yulia Timoshenko. Hey now, Timoshenko still gets a non-trivial share of the vote!
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florida lan posted:Hey now, Timoshenko still gets a non-trivial share of the vote! https://twitter.com/Mortis_Banned/status/1112780863220191235
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Speaking of Ukraine, this story is a wild ride. The Russian government ran an assassination program there that turned out to have very little to do with the Donbass war.
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Darth Walrus posted:Speaking of Ukraine, this story is a wild ride. The Russian government ran an assassination program there that turned out to have very little to do with the Donbass war. Does he look like a hitman or just one of the many taxi drivers I encountered in my small Ukrainian town
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Shes Not Impressed posted:Does he look like a hitman or just one of the many taxi drivers I encountered in my small Ukrainian town I always assumed the taxi drivers were just hitmen picking up some extra cash on their days off.
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Guy is a... clown? https://twitter.com/wiczipedia/status/1113825872476348418?s=21
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Rinkles posted:Guy is a... clown? Imo, Poroshenko is a bigger clown for taking the bait, and doing a blood test at the stadium today. All of it is so insanely absurd, I can't even imagine where Zelenskyi is going with this.
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Paladinus posted:Imo, Poroshenko is a bigger clown for taking the bait, and doing a blood test at the stadium today. All of it is so insanely absurd, I can't even imagine where Zelenskyi is going with this. Well... https://mobile.twitter.com/Kateryna_Kruk/status/1114186632633171969 Eastern Europe: the piss test is fake? (Even if it was a blood test).
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Nitrox posted:What is he being tested for? Patriotism? Poroshenko is said to be an alcoholic, and there are rumours about Zelenskyi doing coke. Poroshenko pivoted so hard, he even proposed to make blood test a legal requirement next time around.
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Not sure if this belongs in the thread, but this is definitely the future European liberals want: https://twitter.com/NataliaAntonova/status/1114615742610202625 /s
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Hmm, "soulless" might not be the best translation here since it has somewhat different connotations. The original is just literal "devoid of spirituality/religion".
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OddObserver posted:Hmm, "soulless" might not be the best translation here since it has somewhat different connotations. The original is just literal Yeah, that's true. "irreligious" or "faithless" may be better words here... but frankly I wouldn't be surprised if the Russian right also believes that gay people have no souls. Pembroke Fuse fucked around with this message at 15:50 on Apr 7, 2019 |
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Having religion is so great, it has given the West such cool things as the Thirty Years War, the Saint Bartholomew's Day Massacre, or more recently the Charlie Hebdo shootings. How could anyone choose godless gays over pointless mass murders?
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I don't think religion is ever going away (the human need for meaning in the universe may be too strong), but the Russian right is pretty happy to tap into the deep Christian roots of the country while often not being particularly religious themselves. There used to be a joke that "every bugor (local mafia leader) now wears a cross" i.e. a bunch of murderers now believe they're religious adherents.
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Pembroke Fuse posted:Not sure if this belongs in the thread, but this is definitely the future European liberals want: Although the sentiment is all too real and not entirely unpopular, the article itself is actually fake.
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Yanukovich's palace. I guess he didn't have enough icons. in some Estonian news, conservative racists are getting ministry of interior for themselves. I predict that one of the first things they'll do is not allowing many more non-EU students or allowing only those from certain selected countries. And then they'll do something about the number of illegal foreign workers from Ukraine. I'm hoping that they would sooner punish the companies who use illegal workforce to get around immigration quotas and to not have to pay a fair wage. The push for foreign workers is huge, the immigration cap for 2019 was reached in the first few days of January. IT and other high-tech workers are exempted from the quota, just like investors and those who get double national average wage, as are people from certain countries (USA, Japan). I guess we'll just have to see how long this coalition lasts, hoping that they don't bankrupt the country until next elections are due. Healthcare and unemployment reserves have been dwindling over last few years. But not on what those reserves were meant for. Increased benefits, free public transport, so forth. e: that party also wants to reverse all the increases in alcohol excises so people would buy their drinks locally and that Finns would come back for booze cruises. jonnypeh fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Apr 7, 2019 |
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Paladinus posted:Although the sentiment is all too real and not entirely unpopular, the article itself is actually fake. Oops... missed that part. Can find a real article - pretty sure I've seen "гейропа" mentioned unironically elsewhere. Edit: Here is a better article about where that term comes from and how its used. From Evropa to Gayropa: A Critical Geopolitics of the European Union as Seen from Russia, Andrew Foxall DOI link (but you can find in on sci-hub): https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14650045.2017.1417848 Pembroke Fuse fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Apr 7, 2019 |
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Paladinus posted:Although the sentiment is all too real and not entirely unpopular, the article itself is actually fake.
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Dwesa posted:To be honest, it's hard to distinguish real absurd Russian propaganda from fake one. I remember some older story about headless Ukrainian zombies fighting DPR soldiers. Here in the Czech Republic Sputnik tried to spread the story but got laughed off everywhere but the conspiracy sites.
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Teachers in Poland have gone on strike for pay, a vast majority of schools in the country are shut down. Teacher salaries have lagged behind the economic growth so badly over the last couple of decades that an experienced teacher in Poland makes about the same money as an entry-level corporate desk jockey, while a newly minted teacher makes about as much as an unqualified manual laborer, meanwhile a rushed and poorly thought out education reform has made their jobs more difficult. Frankly I'm surprised it took them this long to get really pissed. The government, of course, negotiated in bad faith and only got Solidarity, now their pet right-wing union, to concede and back down. The negotiator from Solidarity, a member of PiS  , accepted an insulting offer at the last minute and pretty much told his union to scab, but dozens of local and school-level organizations have rebelled against the leadership and are striking anyway. Final exams for elementary and middle schoolers are scheduled to begin next week and who the gently caress knows what will happen to them. Government media are of course howling for blood, accusing the teachers of being greedy and "holding kids hostage", same as it always goes in these things.Here's hoping the stubborn dumbasses in charge of this country realize what's at stake and cave. If they don't and God forbid the strike fails, I can absolutely envision mass resignations by teachers and outright understaffed schools this time next year. Guildencrantz fucked around with this message at 11:15 on Apr 8, 2019 |
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Dirt Road Junglist posted:My bandmate and I have toured Ukraine in the past, and he's currently in Germany. A recent conversation of ours went something like this. I dunno man the slovenian prime minister is an ex-comedian now and he's doing pretty well. OTOH, he has to be doing well, because "the left" party only votes with him on issues they can agree on, and without them it's a minority coalition, and the right is too far removed from anyone else despite having the largest parliamentary party, lmao Guildencrantz posted:I can absolutely envision mass resignations by teachers and outright understaffed schools this time next year. Ah, the american model of education, that always works well
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Guildencrantz posted:Teachers in Poland have gone on strike for pay, a vast majority of schools in the country are shut down. Teacher salaries have lagged behind the economic growth so badly over the last couple of decades that an experienced teacher in Poland makes about the same money as an entry-level corporate desk jockey, while a newly minted teacher makes about as much as an unqualified manual laborer, meanwhile a rushed and poorly thought out education reform has made their jobs more difficult. Frankly I'm surprised it took them this long to get really pissed. Betsy DeVos sheds a tear of joy, wiping it away with one finger.
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jonnypeh posted:in some Estonian news, conservative racists are getting ministry of interior for themselves. I predict that one of the first things they'll do is not allowing many more non-EU students or allowing only those from certain selected countries. And then they'll do something about the number of illegal foreign workers from Ukraine. I'm hoping that they would sooner punish the companies who use illegal workforce to get around immigration quotas and to not have to pay a fair wage. I don't understand why people are talking as if the coalition already happened? Don't the formal coalition talks only start now, and there's a non zero chance Reformi have something up their sleeve?
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More WW2 bombs found in Vilnius  https://twitter.com/kaunas_events/status/1115216318981070848
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Comments on KVK are as always utter trash but such is life in this country. *For the sake of the eternal Kaunas vs Vilnius rivalry I have to boast here how we are saving the capital yet again!
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Guildencrantz posted:Solidarity, now their pet right-wing union This is just painful to read 
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Ruffian Price posted:This is just painful to read Like goddamn seriously. Wasn't Lech Walesa protesting PiS last year by wearing an anti-PiS t-shirt to HW Bush's funeral?
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alex314 posted:Churches or alcohol shops? Or furries?
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Anne Frank Funk posted:Walesa is not connected to current Solidarity in any way. Not only he's not connected, there was a hilarious interview with Monika Olejnik where he claimed PO (who were the ruling party then) should send riot police on protesting miners from Solidarity.
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Quick summary for westgoons: Solidarity splintered several times since 1989, with Walesa leaving the union early on to run for president. The main line of division was over the transfer of power, with a large minority of opposition activists believing that 1989's roundtable talks with the communists were too lenient, and pushing for things ranging from prosecuting those responsible for repression to outright banning former Communist Party members from public life. There was also the impossible tension inherent in a labor union supporting a government that pushed Thatcher-style reforms which poo poo on unionized workers. This sort of carried on for a while as the weird confusing mess that was the 90's, with the conservative and liberal factions remaining allied against the post-communist party, but during their (terrible) 1997-2001 stint in government all the divisions came to a head and the whole bloc fell apart into what is now PiS and PO. The conservative, hardline anti-communist faction retained control of the union, allied with PiS, and increasingly radicalized as membership dwindled due to both an overall decline in union membership and people who disagreed with their increasingly one-sided politics leaving. At this point they're down to about 400K people. The thing to realize is that for historical reasons Solidarity has always been both a union and a strictly political force, to the point of running candidates in elections. This was a good strategy for the 80's because, obviously, when you're facing a one-party state that owns virtually all industry, the ability to call strikes is the most powerful bargaining chip for political concessions, plus the line between political and economic demands is pretty blurry. In modern Poland these roles are in irreconcilable tension with one another and Solidarity is clearly walking a pretty desperate tightrope between them. It can kind of work out when their political opponents are in power, but when their allies are in power and there are labor disputes in the public sector it becomes clear that they have split loyalties. Thus you get stupid bullshit like the current scenario, where a guy who happens to be a local councillor for the ruling party was sent to "negotiate" with the government, then immediately caved in what was clearly a pre-arranged media spectacle. At this point the union leadership are PiS politicians, so they will 100% sell out their rank and file members to support their own political careers. Guildencrantz fucked around with this message at 11:20 on Apr 9, 2019 |
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alex314 posted:Churches or alcohol shops? Supposed to be teachers on strike. https://twitter.com/courtneywmh/status/1115559726102851586
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Ras Het posted:I don't understand why people are talking as if the coalition already happened? Don't the formal coalition talks only start now, and there's a non zero chance Reformi have something up their sleeve? Those three parties have been at talks for three weeks and it's a done deal , unless some (Center) party members rebel at the very last moment leaving the coalition with less than 51. I'm not seeing any chances for the reform party to form a coalition. e: okay, the reform party can try for a week but they won't make 51, then the president will pass it on. jonnypeh fucked around with this message at 12:18 on Apr 9, 2019 |
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Paladinus posted:Since we're talking about Poland, can someone explain this? Paladinus posted:It's all over Russian news and it really took me a while to find anything in Polish (although, admittedly, my Polish is not that good), so maybe ~the truth is in the middle~ after all. Maybe they'll demolish statues of some Soviet generals who participated in anti-Polish operations, but will spare simple soldiers. We'll see. Sorry for rehashing this old rear end subject but an update to Polish struggle against tyrannical communists is that the monuments commemorating Russian soldiers were in fact demolished all over the country, including one very close to where I live. So yes, the law against promotion of totalitarian regimes was interpreted in the broadest possible way. On the flip side there is also a very real clusterfuck of de-communisation of street names, where people had their street names changed from commemorating no good commie pre-war socialist activists to very cool and good cursed soldiers or the nice pedophile enabler John Paul II a couple of years ago, only to have many of those name changes flipped back to the way they were before. Sad thing is, you can change the name of a street back (many actual signs were even saved because this scenario was expected), but it's harder to rebuild a monument.
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Whelp, shows me what you get for being optimistic. On the topic of statues, when I was in Warsaw this March, I saw Jarosław Kaczyński with some delegation at his brother's monument. Was a bit surreal. The square was full of security, but somehow we slipped past all of them.
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There was a street in my city named after socialist family killed by Germans. They were OG Soviet style socialism believers, as far as I know didn't engage in terrorism against interwar Poland, got killed fighting Germans. And PiS shitheads still used that dumb anti-totalitarian regimes supporters law against them.
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