Harrow posted:

Both of you make really good points and yeah, I think you're right. The SAM and MNK DoTs, in particular, I shouldn't have called out--you're right that they end up being a natural part of the combo rotation. In fact, that's something I like a lot about both of those classes. They both have a really nice flow to them because of how their combos link together. I'm particularly a fan of MNK's branching combos driven by stances instead of a strict Ability 1 -> Ability 2 -> Ability 3 progression.

The jobs I struggle with most really are the ranged physical DPS ones, BRD and MCH. BRD, in particular, feels needlessly complex to me. I acknowledge that's probably just me, though. It's nice that you can refresh both DoTs together, but I still don't like having to keep track of DoTs, a self-buff, and multiple different sets of procs based on which song you're currently singing, along with a bunch of oGCDs unrelated to procs, while also trying to remember that I have support abilities I should be using to make things easier on the tank and healers. The problem I have there, I think, is that while SAM and MNK have their combos as a sort of "guide" towards the correct rotation, BRD doesn't, and the whole thing just feels hectic to me in an unpleasant way.

That's probably just me, though, and I also definitely wouldn't want every job to be as straightforward as RDM.

Impermanent posted:

BRD is one of those classes where it pays to pull one of your abilities out on a big button so you can be sure that you're hitting it on cd. The support abilities are definitely a whole other thing to think about but the good news is that you can basically just throw them on the tank or healer or use on refresh and be in the quintile.

SonicRulez posted:

Relax Or DIE posted:

I just want to complain for a moment: I did a World of Darkness ADR earlier and it was, by a significant margin, the worst 23 players I've ever been matched with. Wiped multiple times, people got killed by basically every single mechanic in the raid. I'm no master healer but even I can generally snooze heal through one of these and it was a bloodbath. Our tank, despite being geared in 380-405 stuff, melted like crazy but insisted on main tanking. Especially once the other parties called him out on being bad and he doubled down. I generally try not to be outright mean to other players, but mea culpa, he died on the last fight and myself and the other healer just left him dead - he asked for a raise and I said "you're easier to manage where you are" and he did not care for it.

Overwatch Porn posted:

to this day i have no clue how five-head dragon works

ApplesandOranges posted:

My only gripe as I'm levelling WHM now is that Divine Benison eats up your lilies. I want to give my tank a shield pre-pull and have reduced CDs on my Assize/Asylum!

DontMindMe posted:

Thanks for info. If I read correctly, I don't need to worry about mastery items. Are there any other sections that can be ignored?

SonicRulez posted:

Please play a Linkin Park song of your choosing before viewing the following images.

Rastan Beeza posted:

There's only one real answer:

Fun fact: this is Mide's favorite song.

Dryzen posted:

Yeah, the first part of this is definitely a big thing if you find yourself struggling to keep up with all of Bard's ogcds. If this is the big thing that anyone is struggling with with bard, I'll say that getting better at it will definitely help you with ogcds in general.

I'd honestly say Bard is incredibly routine despite this. Besides mashing on bloodletter during mage's ballad, there really isn't TOO much thinking you have to do when it comes to procs. Wanderer's makes a loud rear end noise at you when it's ready, and as you get more used to it you'll find yourself ready to press it when your dots tick. Soldier's is something you don't need to think about at all.

When it comes to real randomness, the biggest you're going to have is of course getting a straighter shot proc during raging strikes to use a barrage on refulgent arrow. The fallback will end up being that you use barrage on empryeal arrow instead, and then any future raging strikes you'll cry as you get a straighter shot every single time. There's some adjusting you can do to fix this but it's definitely the most thinking you'll end up doing during bard gameplay.

For dot upkeep, this is also something that is helped a bit by your normal rotation, but from then on is definitely just a thing you have to keep up with. You'll refresh for sure at the end of your raging strikes after using barrage just to get full duration dots with your raging strikes still up. Your next iron jaws will end up being a bit in to mage's ballad, and then after that it'll be towards the end of soldier's. This is definitely something you get a feel for but can be very punishing to miss. Straight shot is also a thing you have to keep up with, but the low duration helps with this especially when compared to hot shot.

As for raid gcds, this honestly is more just encounter knowledge than it is class knowledge. I wouldn't worry about it TOO much, when you're learning especially, outside of hitting mana song and tp song when asked. Palisade is nice but I just use a macro to slam it on the tank when a tank buster is happening. Troubadour is... not very useful in most cases. There's times where it'll work out well with a fight to be useful, but it's not ever something you should mess with your song rotation to get the most out of. Nature's Minne should just be used in the same cases as Palisade but it's up a lot more often.

In my opinion, bard does a much better job at ingraining the parts in to you in a way that SHOULD make sense, but I can get why it isn't for everyone.

homeless snail posted:

BRD is like, the least complicated DPS in the entire game, what's going on here

Ibblebibble posted:

BRD is just way too frantic for me with all the proc juggling, so I just play the clockwork MCH

FactsAreUseless posted:

Machinist is great because you don't have to worry if your poo poo is going to fail at a crucial moment. You can be absolutely, 100 percent certain that it will.

The Grimace posted:

Bard also being a de facto arrow singer has been the first interesting implementation of the job in Final Fantasy. I also love how they have made so many of the bows into cute and cool harps. They may not be useful for musical purposes, but I still love the aesthetic. Bard is just so drat classy. In practice, the job feels like Edward from FFIV if he could actually pull more weight.

FactsAreUseless posted:

Machinist is great because you don't have to worry if your poo poo is going to fail at a crucial moment. You can be absolutely, 100 percent certain that it will.

Lenore03 posted:

Can anyone give me tips for what else I should be doing for River Shrimp custom delivery collectables?
I'm lvl 70Fisher with
-1117 Gathering
-937 Perception

At The Hundred Throes fishing hole using
-Collector's Glove
-Brute Leech
-Patience
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- Around 10am ET Clear Skies

SwissArmyDruid posted:

I'd like it more if, should you have a harp-bow equipped, it would actually use said harpbow for animations, instead of Harp, Standard-Issue, Combat.


You can even tell if a boss is going to jump in mid-Wildfire, because of course it will. And always just as you get down to the last two seconds before Wildfire falls off and does its damage. It's very convenient.

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Leal posted:

You know, leveling crafters 1-50 isn't actually all that bad if you got several hundred thousand grand saved up. NPCs sell basically everything that is also used in leve turn ins, and the leve gil payouts can help defray the costs. Sure you aren't ~*~maximizing~*~ your xp with HQ turn ins, but if you're below 50 you aren't likely to be HQ'ing your crafts anyways.

jokes posted:

I still maintain that BRD shouldn't have been an archer and I will preach this forever. You should have just flung music at the enemy like all the iterations of BRD in FF games over the years, and Archer should have turned into Ranger, which has been a FF job as long as BRD has.

Like SCH/SMN uses a book, they couldn't have found a way to weaponize the smooth tune of a clarinet?

Chakan posted:

This is what I’m doing. I have one class doing moogle quests, one doing namazu, and when they get close to finishing I’ll take some time and use leves to level the next class to 50. I got ALC to 50 yesterday so I only have one more to go! It’s the most no-effort way to do it which is important because no matter how you slice it you’re in for a long grind.

The flipside is that I’ve stopped doing class quests so I probably have several dozen to go through. It is funny to be level 70 using a level 30 main hand though.

Clarste posted:

Frankly, I doubt it was an intentional choice to that degree. I'm sure at least 80% of the logic behind that was "Gauss Barrel was a big thing in Heavensward, and we have the whole fancy graphic and everything already, so what can we do with it now that we're reworking MCH for Stormblood?" If it hadn't been for its value as a "legacy button" it probably would've just been a passive trait.

Enochian is a little similar for BLM. Originally conceived of as a separate buff you have to keep up with Blizzard 4, it was later revamped to always be up as long as you don't drop out of Astral Fire/Umbral Ice entirely. The penalty for letting it drop off was also given to Foul. So... why does it still need to be a button? It's a buff you will have on 100% of the time. It has no real reason to exist anymore, but since it was originally an active skill they're reluctant to demote it to passive.

LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:

I hope you can see the humor in taking 5 paragraphs to tell everyone how not actually complicated bard is.

I have no doubt that people who can play bard well think it’s easy, but there’s a lot of space to gently caress up bard’s rotations. There’s a reason I constantly joke about how I’m on that two song rotation. (Just give me back my katana please)

Jose Valasquez posted:

Later class quests give a lot of xp that you're missing out on

Lenore03 posted:

Can anyone give me tips for what else I should be doing for River Shrimp custom delivery collectables?
I'm lvl 70Fisher with
-1117 Gathering
-937 Perception

Jose Valasquez posted:

Later class quests give a lot of xp that you're missing out on

Ibblebibble posted:

I mean, no joke, it's true, and that's what's makes it convenient. You pretty much learn down to the exact GCD when the boss jumps and so can learn to compensate.