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Nodosaur posted:Isn't the first episode with the Iconians basically their probe dumping a bunch of Iconian malware on the Enterprise-D? That's the event I had in mind when I was thinking earlier
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Tunicate posted:that would make ferengi just more vulcans and that hardly makes sense There was that bit where Quark managed to impress a Vulcan woman by using game theory and convinced her his logic is sound. And Ferengi are drat smart. There are a fair few indications that their greed and lechery is holding them back as a species.
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With rom introducing feminism to double their productive workforce and socialism to free them from the eternal disaster that is capitalism the ferengi will be the next superpower.
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"On Vulcan, my people call this 'The Shocker'"
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"Live Fast and Prosper" was a good episode of Voyager that reminded me of the DS9 Ferengi episodes. It occurred to me while trying to guess what'd happen next that instead of the Doctor posing as the captured con artist, they could have possibly tricked the captured con artist into giving away the location of her ship by putting her in a hologram and making her think it was real long enough for her to lay in a course, but that would've had a much lower chance of success
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I didn't see it mentioned here, but Vonda N. McIntyre passed away yesterday after being diagnosed with pancreatic cancer 8 weeks ago. She wrote the novelizations of Star Trek II, III and IV and also gave Sulu his first name.
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McSpanky posted:The Secret of Vulcan Fury I know it's a joke but man I haven't thought about that game in yeeaaars. Wasn't it basically done when Interplay cancelled it/went under? Edit: oh nevermind. quote:The storyline was written by former Star Trek writer D.C. Fontana, while the script was created by John Meredyth Lucas. A promotional cereal competition was run in conjunction with Quaker Oats, the first for the license in the United States. Despite this promotion, the game was cancelled with estimates placing it at only 5% completion. The cast of The Original Series had already recorded their voices. Still. Seven hours of recorded dialogue from the entire TOS cast would be amazing to have pop up out of nowhere. Drone fucked around with this message at 06:51 on Apr 3, 2019 |
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I bumped into TNG S03E25 Transfigurations and I have absolutely no memory of this episode it's like watching an all-new TNG episode unfortunately it seems to be a mediocre one
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Angry_Ed posted:
Obviously the shield modulation is constantly changing, but when you match shield modulations you've figured out what pseudorandom number generator they're using.
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I still wonder sometimes how bad baseball got in its death throes in the Trek universe if that guy was the shape of one of the best guys why played at the time. Ooph. MisterBibs fucked around with this message at 08:57 on Apr 3, 2019 |
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Apr 3, 2019 08:55
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Babe Ruth was a tubby dude who ate hot dogs, drank and smoked cigars, and he hit 714 home runs.
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MisterBibs posted:I still wonder sometimes how bad baseball got in its death throes in the Trek universe if that was one of the best guys who ever played. Ooph. I mean Jose Altuve, Bartolo Colon, CC Sabathia, and Tony Gwynn are/were all elite players, so it’s not as if being short or fat has ever been a guaranteed disqualification for succeeding in baseball. I can buy short tubby Buck Bokai as a legit player.
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Delsaber posted:Snow Elves? Is that a thing? eh. You know how in all fantasy worlds, the humans have the usual suspects as allies, and then some far out completely-alien ally. They're usually blue. Sometimes green. Fills whatever niche the writers needed for their mono-culture.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I mean Jose Altuve, Bartolo Colon, CC Sabathia, and Tony Gwynn are/were all elite players, so it’s not as if being short or fat has ever been a guaranteed disqualification for succeeding in baseball. I'm a little mad at you for this post, because as I was typing out the joke I was going to make reference to Colon and Sabathia, but couldn't for the life of me remember their names. fake edit and probably a repeat: Trek-adjacent, I loving hate that the Greatest Generation podcast doesn't put the title of the friggin' episode they cover in either the title or the episode description, so I can search for an episode. I don't want to have to google "hey whats the season/episode number for ~this~?" every time. MisterBibs fucked around with this message at 10:26 on Apr 3, 2019 |
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Zesty posted:eh. You know how in all fantasy worlds, the humans have the usual suspects as allies, and then some far out completely-alien ally. They're usually blue. Sometimes green. Fills whatever niche the writers needed for their mono-culture. Draeni? And the war bears from His Dark Materials maybe.
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MisterBibs posted:I still wonder sometimes how bad baseball got in its death throes in the Trek universe if that guy was the shape of one of the best guys why played at the time. Ooph. One of the reasons they cast him was because he looked similar to the baseball card they'd already shown as being him, which had a photo of one of the prop guys in a baseball jersey who was a bit on the tubby side himself.
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Drone posted:I know it's a joke but man I haven't thought about that game in yeeaaars. Wasn't it basically done when Interplay cancelled it/went under? I know I want someone to rescue that game from obscurity and make it so badly.
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Am I dreaming or are a whole lot of alien ships done by the same incredibly one note designer (I assume Eaves), like it hit me after watching Nemesis last night (which I categorically refused to when it came out) and mentally comparing the Scimitar to the klingon ship in the STD pilot, and the Sona, Dominion and Breen battleships and it's all a bunch of samey, progressively uglier gigeresque nonsense.
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Agnosticnixie posted:Am I dreaming or are a whole lot of alien ships done by the same incredibly one note designer (I assume Eaves), like it hit me after watching Nemesis last night (which I categorically refused to when it came out) and mentally comparing the Scimitar to the klingon ship in the STD pilot, and the Sona, Dominion and Breen battleships and it's all a bunch of samey, progressively uglier gigeresque nonsense. You can basically track the careers of various lead designers on star trek by the vibe the alien ships give out. (Don't knock the little Dominion bugships, though, those are genuinely iconic. The bigger ships were always meh though.) MikeJF fucked around with this message at 13:15 on Apr 3, 2019 |
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MikeJF posted:You can basically track the careers of various lead designers on star trek by the vibe the alien ships give out. The bugships are good, clearly the early DS9 dominion is a true believer in the corvette meta
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I'm six seasons deep into a DS9 rewatch and I'm just gonna have to admit. I don't like the Mirror Universe episodes. There's just... something about the whole "Terrans are unscrupulous but nonetheless the good guys" set up that doesn't work for me. And Intendant Kira just comes off as cringeworthy most of the time.
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Nodosaur posted:I'm six seasons deep into a DS9 rewatch and I'm just gonna have to admit. STO takes the DS9 storyline and just goes "nah the Terrans were always and will be Hitler"
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Nodosaur posted:I'm six seasons deep into a DS9 rewatch and I'm just gonna have to admit. I agree. I'm not a big fan of the mirror universe in DS9. The only thing I liked was how main universe Rom was just befuddled by the concept.
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I though the deal pretty much was that the Mirror Terrans are still led by assholes, Mirror Sisko was a possibly sociopathic pirate who was mostly a hero posthumously, and the morality is still inverted for pretty much everyone on top of the allegiances being shuffled.Epicurius posted:I agree. I'm not a big fan of the mirror universe in DS9. The only thing I liked was how main universe Rom was just befuddled by the concept. I do love that it was a physical Vic Fontaine that made him give up. (and I still like the idea that Vic was an android, with androids in the mirror universe swapping the role with holodeck technology)
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Nodosaur posted:I'm six seasons deep into a DS9 rewatch and I'm just gonna have to admit. the mirror episodes suck
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DS9's mirror universe was just a mistake all round. The idea that Spock's reforms just made the Empire soft and weak is probably the most nasty, cynical idea in all of Star Trek, the Intendant becomes more and more of a cartoon character every time they revisit the setting - and she didn't have much depth to start with, mirror Garak is a total waste of Andrew Robinson, and, as you said, both sides are assholes so why the hell should we even care?
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I think what I really don’t like about DS9’s take on the mirror universe is that it ignores the interesting subtext of the original episode. “Mirror, Mirror” isn’t just good because it has bearded Spock and Uhura with a knife and agony booths and soforth, those are certainly great things about the episode but it all has a point to it. Both Enterprises were after the same thing — dilithium, ie fuel for starships, for (potential) machines of war. Kirk argues with the Halkans that the Federation is peaceful, but they are convinced (very rightly) that this is contingent on present circumstances and that the Federation could do terrible things with its power. Crucially, Kirk never convinces them otherwise in the episode, and never actually attempts to at the end — he said earlier that he hopes to prove the Federation is ethical, but he only ever succeeds in proving it to himself, by his efforts to redeem Beardspock. He can’t convince the Halkans that the Federation will never use their dilithium to take even one life, because they will. Even if they are not sneering amoral imperialists in revealing clothing, they can become that way, and that’s what the Halkans rightly fear. It can happen here. And crucially, the reverse could happen there. Beardspock’s universe isn’t fated to be all evil forever, the Halkans are exactly the same in both universes, it’s the (un)ethical choices of individual humans (and Vulcans) that make things different. Even when the DS9 mirror episodes do anything interesting (not a given) they don’t really have a point. They’re very surface level, action adventure stuff. That’s lame.
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Angry Salami posted:DS9's mirror universe was just a mistake all round. The idea that Spock's reforms just made the Empire soft and weak is probably the most nasty, cynical idea in all of Star Trek, This is my biggest problem with it and one of the things DS9 did that I think is stupid-edgy and lovely.
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Angry Salami posted:DS9's mirror universe was just a mistake all round. The idea that Spock's reforms just made the Empire soft and weak is probably the most nasty, cynical idea in all of Star Trek, the Intendant becomes more and more of a cartoon character every time they revisit the setting - and she didn't have much depth to start with, mirror Garak is a total waste of Andrew Robinson, and, as you said, both sides are assholes so why the hell should we even care? To be fair in the TOS episode Mirror Spock predicted that the Terran Empire would collapse, so at most all he did was accelerate its demise. And the Terrans were described as barbaric rather than evil and not everyone was that different from their prime counterparts so making over the top evil arseholes was a misstep on DS9's part.
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Also making all the evil mirror versions bi-sexual was so loving 90's it hurts to watch now.
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skasion posted:I think what I really don’t like about DS9’s take on the mirror universe is that it ignores the interesting subtext of the original episode. “Mirror, Mirror” isn’t just good because it has bearded Spock and Uhura with a knife and agony booths and soforth, those are certainly great things about the episode but it all has a point to it. This poster gets it.
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The only thing I can say in favor of the DS9 mirror episodes is it looks like the cast was having fun with it.
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Burning_Monk posted:Also making all the evil mirror versions bi-sexual was so loving 90's it hurts to watch now. A Trek universe with no morals, eh? Obviously that means homosexuality! Not that being gay is "evil" it's just immoral! Amoral at best! What? Why are people bothered by this?
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Burning_Monk posted:Also making all the evil mirror versions bi-sexual was so loving 90's it hurts to watch now. Brawnfire posted:A Trek universe with no morals, eh? Obviously that means homosexuality! Not that being gay is "evil" it's just immoral! Amoral at best! What? Why are people bothered by this? And now Discovery continuing it in this day and age is downright regressive.
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