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Zerilan posted:Yeah, it's not just about the record against those teams, it's that those teams are rarely any real threat to take the division and force the Pats to play from a wild card seed. Meanwhile the AFCW has had a 12-4 wildcard in 2 of the past 3 years. I seriously forgot the Raiders won 12 games in 2016. in fairness I try purging the Mike McCoy years out as best I can
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:The AFCW has absolutely been the worst during that stretch. The Rams, Cardinals and 49ers have often been among the worst teams in the league. we just gonna let this one go by or
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Alaois posted:we just gonna let this one go by or He's in the position of not having to care about the AFCW in the playoffs or any of those teams in general so it's understandable.
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Alaois posted:we just gonna let this one go by or Blah, I meant NFCW of course!
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King Hong Kong posted:In essence, the AFC East is the second least competitive division in the league because it is utterly incapable of producing a second best team that can reach the playoffs. The AFC East has had two playoff teams two of the past three years. As have the South and West... Maybe the North is the true garbage division of the AFC. 
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Mega64 posted:The AFC East has had two playoff teams two of the past three years. As have the South and West... the fuckin bills snuck into the playoffs, i forgot about that
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Mega64 posted:The AFC East has had two playoff teams two of the past three years. As have the South and West... Ah, but the Bills only got in because of Andy Dalton.
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evilweasel posted:the fuckin bills snuck into the playoffs, i forgot about that On second thought, the entire AFC is garbage.
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Mega64 posted:On second thought, the entire AFC is garbage. AFC is due for a big shakeup. Pats have had an exodus on both sides of the ball and their coaching staff, and Brady is reeeeally old. Thanos snapped on the Ravens defense and their QB is a project. Steelers lost their best playmakers and Ben is going to break in two someday and will probably piss off someone else talented this year. Rivers is going to be 38 this year and has already entered a slight decline. Someone has to pickup the slack.
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The Pats/AFCE is a hard to isolate feedback loop, but if you look at all the anecdotal evidence (rosters, management changes, this forum reactions, etc), its pretty clear than the non-Pats AFCE have literally no idea what they're doing
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Blah, I meant NFCW of course! Those teams aren’t notably worse than the AFC east in win percentage over the past 15 years. Since 2003: Arizona - 46.2 NYJ - 44.5 Miami - 43.8 San Francisco - 42.6 Buffalo - 42 LA/STL - 40.8 The difference is that in that time period every one of those teams has won the division multiple times. Each one of them has been really good for at least some point during that stretch. Every one has a 13 win season.
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This is that first fight in the beginning of The Highlander when everyone knows Connor MacLeod belongs to the Kurgan.
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:AFC is due for a big shakeup. Rivers has gotten better each of the last three years
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Here's how often each team was Bad / Average / Good since 2001: Bad = <7 wins, Good 10+ pre:Bad Average Good Patriots 0 1 17 Jets 8 5 5 Dolphins 6 8 4 Bills 9 9 0 Steelers 1 5 12 Ravens 3 6 9 Bengals 6 6 6 Browns 13 4 1 Colts 3 2 13 Titans 6 8 4 Texans 7 7 3 Jaguars 11 4 3 Chiefs 5 5 8 Broncos 3 8 7 Chargers 4 9 5 Raiders 12 3 3 Eagles 2 6 10 Cowboys 5 7 6 Giants 6 6 6 Washington 8 8 2 Packers 3 3 12 Vikings 6 7 5 Bears 6 6 6 Lions 11 5 2 Saints 1 10 7 Falcons 4 7 7 Panthers 4 8 6 Buccaneers 9 6 3 Seahawks 2 7 9 49ers 8 5 5 Rams 7 7 4 Cardinals 8 6 4 Kalli fucked around with this message at 23:24 on Apr 3, 2019 |
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lmao Bills @ 0 lmao Pats @ 17 and Jets+Dolphins+Bills @ 9
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weird Asian candy posted:lmao Bills @ 0 I also tallied another category of Great seasons, which required 13+ wins: 7 - Patriots 3 - Saints / Colts / Broncos / Steelers 2 - Bears / Falcons / Cowboys / Packers / Eagles / Chargers / Seahawks / Rams 1 - Cardinals / Ravens / Panthers / Chiefs / Vikings / 49ers / Titans I'm kind of shocked the Packers had less then the Broncos. Kalli fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Apr 3, 2019 |
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Your numbers seem slightly off -- the Browns have only 16 seasons, the Saints have 18, the Packers have 17. Saints being the most average team since '01 is funny.
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Mega64 posted:The AFC East has had two playoff teams two of the past three years. As have the South and West... I'm fairly certain that the AFC East has had the fewest wildcard teams in the league since re-alignment. Obviously that's not the full thrust of that argument, which is that the second and third best teams in the AFC East are quite poor compared to the other second and third best teams and don't effectively impact the Patriots' seeding in the playoffs. The "bad season" chart above demonstrates this pretty well. King Hong Kong fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Apr 3, 2019 |
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SKULL.GIF posted:Your numbers seem slightly off -- the Browns have only 16 seasons, the Saints have 18, the Packers have 17. I lost a few seasons somewhere, figuring that out. Aside from my 1st problem... I was only pulling wins, so that means the Lions / Browns are missing a year, haha. Oh, hah, found it. The other problem is the AFC/NFC Central existed in 2001 instead of the North/South Fixed it, it'd be unfair to short the Bears a Devil number. ----------- Also yeah, the Saints thing is funny, but I guess if you're *that* bad on defense that often, you can somehow drag down an all time great QB. Kalli fucked around with this message at 23:31 on Apr 3, 2019 |
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King Hong Kong posted:I'm fairly certain that the AFC East has had the fewest wildcard teams in the league since re-alignment. Obviously that's not the full thrust of that argument, which is that the second and third best teams in the AFC East are quite poor compared to the other second and third best teams and don't effectively impact the Patriots' seeding in the playoffs. The "bad season" chart above demonstrates this pretty well. Yep, though the Jets are tied with the Ravens for most wildcard appearances of any team. They even won 3 of them Times team has been a wildcard: Jets 5 Bills 1 Dolphins 1 Patriots 0 Ravens 5 Bengals 3 Steelers 3 Browns 1 Colts 4 Titans 3 Jaguars 2 Texans 0 Chiefs 3 Broncos 2 Chargers 2 Raiders 1 Giants 4 Eagles 3 Cowboys 2 Washington 2 Packers 3 Lions 3 Vikings 2 Bears 0 Falcons 4 Saints 2 Panthers 2 Buccaneers 1 Seahawks 4 49ers 2 Cardinals 1 Rams 1
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Apr 3, 2019 23:40
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But what does it all MEAN, basil?
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:None of this is special to the AFCN. Disagree. There's very few teams left that will hit QBs the way teams in the AFCN will. I rarely worry about defenses outside of the division when it comes to Ben getting hurt. Maybe the Broncos
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MY NIGGA D-LINK posted:Disagree. There's very few teams left that will hit QBs the way teams in the AFCN will. I rarely worry about defenses outside of the division when it comes to Ben getting hurt. Maybe the Broncos A successful season for the Brown's used to be injuring Ben right before the Playoffs, guaranteeing an early Steelers exit.
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Amy Pole Her posted:But what does it all MEAN, basil? It's poo poo, Austin
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Bros don’t lie. The AFC is loving garbage.
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a neat cape posted:Rivers has gotten better each of the last three years Yeah. Two of Rivers' most efficient seasons have been the last couple since Lynn took the team over. He's old but he still looks like he's got another year or two at least. It isn't like Eli where he's very blatantly just done and there isn't anything anybody can do about it.
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I'm pretty sure last time we had this discussion we found that the Pats' winning percentage against the rest of the league is either roughly equal or better than their winning percentage in-division. it's fun to poo poo on the Jets/Bills/Fins but the rest of the NFL hasn't put up much of a fight either
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Grittybeard posted:Eh, since 2001 you've got the Browns, Jags forever, Chiefs were in there a few times, Raiders, etc. I don't think the AFC East had the losingest AFC teams as a whole during that timespan. Losingest was the wrong word, I should've said "worst" losing teams. The AFC East, as a division with three bad teams, is unlikely to have many teams that are actually the losingest. MY NIGGA D-LINK posted:Disagree. There's very few teams left that will hit QBs the way teams in the AFCN will. I rarely worry about defenses outside of the division when it comes to Ben getting hurt. Maybe the Broncos I agree there is a special element of physicality that the AFCN, along with some other divisions, tend to have more of. Still, the only way QBs are gonna get hurt these days is if they run into their own player, get rolled up on as they're dragged to the ground, or tear their ACL without contact. Ben played in the glory days of QB targeting but those days are gone now
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indigi posted:I'm pretty sure last time we had this discussion we found that the Pats' winning percentage against the rest of the league is either roughly equal or better than their winning percentage in-division. it's fun to poo poo on the Jets/Bills/Fins but the rest of the NFL hasn't put up much of a fight either yeah, I mostly was just bored this afternoon at work so decided to dump some data into a spreadsheet. Mostly just happy to find out that the most dead average teams of this era are the Bengals, Bears and Giants.
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Kalli posted:yeah, I mostly was just bored this afternoon at work so decided to dump some data into a spreadsheet. And yet the Giants have 2 Superbowl wins
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indigi posted:I'm pretty sure last time we had this discussion we found that the Pats' winning percentage against the rest of the league is either roughly equal or better than their winning percentage in-division. it's fun to poo poo on the Jets/Bills/Fins but the rest of the NFL hasn't put up much of a fight either We've come full circle, now. Basically, it's impossible to separate a team's wins and losses from their division, and likewise it's impossible to separate their division from wins and losses. I'm comfortable saying the Patriots have had an abnormally easy path to the playoffs and byes for a long, long time. They're also a very good team that is good at winning generally. Both of those things can be true at the same time, and they are Also, Ehud posted:one interesting thing about the pats is that they cheat to win football games  Kalli posted:yeah, I mostly was just bored this afternoon at work so decided to dump some data into a spreadsheet. For me it's enjoyable every now and then to have a spirited discussion and get down into the nitty gritty. Even if there's no real conclusion reached.
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Flikken posted:And yet the Giants have 2 Superbowl wins proof that the trumpets of Revelation have begun sounding
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just lol at complaining about the AFCe when your team has like 1 playoff win in the past 20 years.
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Play posted:For me it's enjoyable every now and then to have a spirited discussion and get down into the nitty gritty. Even if there's no real conclusion reached. I think the inescapable conclusion from the data is that cheating is extremely effective.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:I think the inescapable conclusion from the data is that cheating is extremely effective. maybe other teams should be better at it instead of getting caught doing dumb poo poo like piping crowd noise into the stadium
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evilweasel posted:maybe other teams should be better at it instead of getting caught doing dumb poo poo like piping crowd noise into the stadium 
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evilweasel posted:maybe other teams should be better at it instead of getting caught doing dumb poo poo like piping crowd noise into the stadium
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Flikken posted:And yet the Giants have 2 Superbowl wins Eli Manning's whole career is the adage of how it's better to be lucky than actually good.
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Amy Pole Her posted:But what does it all MEAN, basil? The Lions are poop 
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Kalli posted:Here's how often each team was Bad / Average / Good since 2001: Now do Super Bowl wins.
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