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It probably also helps when you're a full caster with a full battery of spell slots, and not a half caster with better ways of spending your time and spell slots.
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Nat 20s on attack rolls auto-hit. Nat 20s on attack rolls are criticals. Criticals are not auto-hits. A Chamption with an expanded crit range can still miss on a critical. Namaste.
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Moonbeam on Ancients Paladin is nice in the sense that you'd otherwise just not have any AoE options, but the situations in which you'd actually use it are rare even in a party composition lacking on AoE. Also, enemy lycanthropes in CoS are optional unless you roll them having a key item. Toshimo posted:Nat 20s on attack rolls auto-hit. Technically correct, but even a gimped level 3 Champion rolls 22 on a 19, which beats the AC of pretty much everything on the official material (only Terrasque and Tiamat have AC>22). Conspiratiorist fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Apr 4, 2019 |
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Apr 4, 2019 19:29
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Toshimo posted:Nat 20s on attack rolls auto-hit. I'm pretty sure that's the precedence from 3.5, for what it's worth.
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Apr 4, 2019 19:31
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Thanks for all the thoughts on moonbeam. Since smites do radiance damage the aoe is the best part of that and we have a evocation wizard doing most of the work there.
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Spikes32 posted:Thanks for all the thoughts on moonbeam. Since smites do radiance damage the aoe is the best part of that and we have a evocation wizard doing most of the work there. The big thing is that it lasts a minute and keeps damaging things, and you can move it around if you need to. So it's fairly efficient damage in any situation where you need it and don't have to move it every turn.
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Apr 4, 2019 19:44
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Toshimo posted:Nat 20s on attack rolls auto-hit. In his Sage Advice series, Jeremy Crawford ruled the other way: https://www.sageadvice.eu/2015/12/21/are-fighter-champion-improved-critical-hits-like-a-normal-20/
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Apr 4, 2019 19:50
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Conspiratiorist posted:Technically correct, but even a gimped level 3 Champion rolls 22 on a 19, which beats the AC of pretty much everything on the official material (only Terrasque and Tiamat have AC>22). A dex fighter that dumped str with a bow has to make a melee attack (Crown of Madness, maybe), could definitely be rolling at -1. Kaal posted:In his Sage Advice series, Jeremy Crawford ruled the other way: It hasn't made it into the Compendium in the last 3 years, so I assume JC can go gently caress himself, as usual.
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Apr 4, 2019 19:58
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seems like a dumb edge case to me, just let the expanded crit be a crit
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Apr 4, 2019 20:01
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Toshimo posted:A dex fighter that dumped str with a bow has to make a melee attack (Crown of Madness, maybe), could definitely be rolling at -1. If the fighter got hit with crown of madness I'd be happy if they miss with their attacks on an ally.
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Apr 4, 2019 20:04
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Toshimo posted:A dex fighter that dumped str with a bow has to make a melee attack (Crown of Madness, maybe), could definitely be rolling at -1. This is a really bad argument? Like, that's an argument for why expanded crit ranges should not be auto-hits if anything.
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Apr 4, 2019 20:05
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Honestly there is basically no chance that fighter rolling a 19 will miss.
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Apr 4, 2019 20:09
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Even if you're attacking with an 8 attribute, that still makes your level 3 attacks be at +1. Strahd's Animated Armor is the only monster below CR 12 that has AC 21+.
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Apr 4, 2019 20:09
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Conspiratiorist posted:Even if you're attacking with an 8 attribute, that still makes your level 3 attacks be at +1. You are not proficient with Improvised weapons,
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Apr 4, 2019 20:11
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Dragonatrix posted:This is a really bad argument? Like, that's an argument for why expanded crit ranges should not be auto-hits if anything. Wait, what argument is bad? You definitely can have a negative to-hit. Like, that can't even be a fact in dispute.
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Farg posted:seems like a dumb edge case to me, just let the expanded crit be a crit Yeah same. From a close reading Toshimo is absolutely correct since the PHB separates auto-hitting on a nat-20 from scoring a critical hit, but I think it's a classic example of RAW v. RAI. Fighters have a tough enough time without rules-lawyering that the definition of a critical hit does not actually involve hitting something. Kaal fucked around with this message at 20:15 on Apr 4, 2019 |
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Apr 4, 2019 20:13
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Toshimo posted:Wait, what argument is bad? You definitely can have a negative to-hit. Like, that can't even be a fact in dispute. That Crown of Madness forcing a Dex Fighter to melee attack their own allies could have a negative To Hit and thus miss on an expanded crit. That's the exact kind of situation in which you would want it to not be an auto-hit.
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Apr 4, 2019 20:13
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In an edition full of legitimate things to bitch about, this is a lesson in pedantry in order to be the bitchiest critic.
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Dragonatrix posted:That Crown of Madness forcing a Dex Fighter to melee attack their own allies could have a negative To Hit and thus miss on an expanded crit. That's the exact kind of situation in which you would want it to not be an auto-hit. Ok, so.... we agree? v0v
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Re: the class selection for a three man Strahd I think the tricky part for me would be coming up with an interesting wizard or paladin. I've had lots of fun character concepts before but "wizard" and "paladin" just shutter my brain to the vanilla examples. There's a YouTube series called Role Initiative that imo has fun class concept brainstorming videos, but wizard doesn't speak to me other than the one I did independently, and there's no paladin one yet. I guess there's always the first character I made and didn't get to play, an Ancients Paladin someone here described as a "beer knight."
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Apr 4, 2019 20:39
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Tax collector conquest paladin is the one in my vault - my oath is "Every man, woman and child deserves life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as long as the king's taxes are paid on time, and in full".
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Communism Paladin who draws their power from the proletariat is always fun. Edit: or the converse, free market Paladin who draws their power from the invisible hand of the free market if that is your kink. Dameius fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Apr 4, 2019 |
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Given that fighters in general took it up the arse in this edition and Champions are probably the most kneecapped of the lot, giving them autohit on 20, 19 and even 18 seems like a small mercy.Dameius posted:free market Paladin who draws their power from the invisible hand of the free market if that is your kink. Seems great until he loses his powers to an impoverished paladin on another continent who will crusade for less money
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my paladin is D&D Inspector Javert (LN, Oath of the Crown, duh) god I love that you don't have to be lawful good or even religious to be a paladin in this edition
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Stroop There It Is posted:my paladin is D&D Inspector Javert (LN, Oath of the Crown, duh) So who is your Jean Valjean
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JustJeff88 posted:Given that fighters in general took it up the arse in this edition and Champions are probably the most kneecapped of the lot, giving them autohit on 20, 19 and even 18 seems like a small mercy. Supply side faith. He who amsses the most wealth, power, whatever, is the most divine. Full murderhobo, all the time.
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Mr. Lobe posted:So who is your Jean Valjean
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One of my players is a man hating feminism based Vengeance Paladin and it's pretty great. Her whole deal is smiting the gently caress out of women's oppression.
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The Gate posted:The big thing is that it lasts a minute and keeps damaging things, and you can move it around if you need to. So it's fairly efficient damage in any situation where you need it and don't have to move it every turn. Creatures don't often stay in the same square in our combats, and taking my full action to move it to hit one creature seems suboptimal? If the aoe is needed though I'll keep it in mind for sure.
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i once played a tiefling warlock from a 'maoist' post-revolutionary society that overthrew its infernal overlords after centuries of domination
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1994 Toyota Celica posted:i once played a tiefling warlock from a 'maoist' post-revolutionary society that overthrew its infernal overlords after centuries of domination Heh. I once played a high elf with the noble background, Lady Anastasiel from the (former) Seelie Winter Court. Unfortunately for her, the Winter Court had been overthrown by a communist uprising so she had to gtfo and take up an adventurer's life to maintain her high standard of living. Looking fabulous and murdering things for their wealth was basically all she knew, after all. But of course, it was a 5e game so it was short-lived. The DM literally quit the campaign mid-combat over how poo poo it was.
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My setting's Drow are separate from other elves because of their proletariat uprisings and successful application of praxis to a magical society to implement a strong social safety net and equality for all. The reason they look down and seek to undermine other races and peoples are because they correctly identify them as capitalists.
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Toshimo posted:You are not proficient with Improvised weapons, Splicer posted:the balance
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My anarcho/commie paladin was betrayed by everyone (revisionist loving tankies that they are) in the second last session, succumbed to the (literal) brain worms from his warlock levels, and, uh... well... you know how the off-the-rails-angry fail state for anarchists is "smash everything that won't burn"? And the vengeance oath says "whatever the cost"? Let's just say it was a victory in the sense that it's a dead certain guarantee that nobody will ever be oppressed by unjust hierarchies ever again.
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Elector_Nerdlingen posted:My anarcho/commie paladin was betrayed by everyone (revisionist loving tankies that they are) in the second last session, succumbed to the (literal) brain worms from his warlock levels, and, uh... well... you know how the off-the-rails-angry fail state for anarchists is "smash everything that won't burn"? And the vengeance oath says "whatever the cost"? Let's just say it was a victory in the sense that it's a dead certain guarantee that nobody will ever be oppressed by unjust hierarchies ever again. Nobody can be oppressed by unjust hierarchies if there are no hierarchies and no people in them 
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Kung Food posted:One of my players is a man hating feminism based Vengeance Paladin and it's pretty great. Her whole deal is smiting the gently caress out of women's oppression. the gently caress
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Quick multiclass question: I'm playing a Rogue/Warlock multiclass in a Curse of Strahd campaign. I'm currently Rogue 1 / Warlock 4 and am at the point where I need to start thinking of just what balance I want this multiclass to end up at. I've gone Bladelock for my Warlock archetype and plan to go Swashbuckler with the Rogue for the added battlefield mobility and dodginess. As the campaign is probably only going to level 10 I'm currently thinking of an even 5/5 split, which gives me 3 invocations and third level spell slots as well as access to the introductory Swashbuckler features and uncanny dodge while still leavingt enough ASIs to get my Charisma to 20. Is that workable or am I missing a way that's going to gently caress me over?
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What were/are you expecting out of the multiclass?
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Conspiratiorist posted:What were/are you expecting out of the multiclass? Originally to suit the backstory I had in mind for the character - A would-be dungeon-diver and general rogue with Swashbuckling aspirations who unwittingly becomes the host of an ancient, demonic entity that gives her powers. Mechanically I'm thinking a more mobile, slightly more martial-leaning Hexblade that can dart in and out of enemy threat ranges without incurring AOEs that is pretty much entirely Charisma based so I can pull some party face action.
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Toshimo posted:Nat 20s on attack rolls auto-hit. You are omitting an important word here. "If the d20 roll for an attack is a 20, the attack hits regardless of any modifiers or the target's AC. In addition, the attack is a critical hit, as explained later in this chapter." (PHB 194) "When you score a critical hit, you get to roll extra dice for the attack's damage against the target..." (PHB 196) Champion: "...your weapon attacks score a critical hit on a roll of 19 or 20" (PHB 72) There is no such terminology in 5E as a "critical," only a "critical hit." The word "hit" in "critical hit" means that it is a hit. While I agree that relying on "natural language" to parse rules situations like this is a massive cop-out, it is nevertheless the case that if my champion rolls a 19 on a weapon attack, that attack scores a critical hit. Which means that it scores a hit, by definition, because you cannot score a critical hit with an attack that does not hit. The whole thing should have been written from the beginning that rolling a "20" is a critical hit, which solves this problem. Note that Adamantine Armor reduces a critical hit to a normal hit. If the expanded crit range attacks were considered to need to match AC, then someone wearing Adamantine Armor who faces a champion who rolls a "19" but fails to match AC would still be hit, because the "critical hit" would be reduced to a "normal hit" which would still hit and do regular damage, while someone not wearing Adamantine armor wouldn't be hit at all if the attack didn't match AC.
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