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| Joe "the liberal who fights busing" Biden |
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27 | 1.40% |
| Bernie "please don't die" Sanders |
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1017 | 52.69% |
| Cory "charter schools" Booker |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Kirsten "wall street" Gillibrand |
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24 | 1.24% |
| Kamala "truancy queen" Harris |
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59 | 3.06% |
| Julian "who?" Castro |
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7 | 0.36% |
| Tulsi "gay panic" Gabbard |
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25 | 1.30% |
| Michael "crimes crimes crimes" Avenatti |
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22 | 1.14% |
| Sherrod "discount bernie" Brown |
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21 | 1.09% |
| Amy "horrible boss" Klobuchar |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Tammy "stands for america" Duckworth |
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48 | 2.49% |
| Beto "whataburger" O'Rourke |
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32 | 1.66% |
| Elizabeth "instagram beer" Warren |
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284 | 14.72% |
| Tom "impeach please" Steyer |
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4 | 0.21% |
| Michael "soda is the devil" Bloomberg |
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9 | 0.47% |
| Joseph Stalin |
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287 | 14.87% |
| Howard "coffee republican" Schultz |
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10 | 0.52% |
Jay "nobody cares about climate change  " Inslee |
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13 | 0.67% |
| Pete "gently caress the homeless" Butt Man |
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17 | 0.88% |
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VitalSigns posted:I love how yesterday this guy got a glimmer of a clue when someone pointed out that universal education would help team blue beat team red at the ballot box, but that couldn't even hold for 12 hours and it's back to "but a degree would make peasants my equals i mean like under sanders' plan we're still gonna have fancypants private schools for all the lords fauntleroy, so if anything it'll make the value of having a certain school name on your degree shoot up
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Pulcinella di Bund posted:does anybody on earth actually give a poo poo about any candidates tax returns??? Not really the reason they are pretending to is because it's another silver bullet to take down Trump after he made a big show of not doing it and they literally can't find any real dirt on Bernie. If it actually mattered it would be a requirement for the office but it's not.
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Apr 5, 2019 13:37
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Pretty sure he'd say you were wasting your time regardless, because your violin will never make a difference in anyone's life, have you thought about putting in some unpaid overtime now that would make a difference anyone can see on your employer's bottom line
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Apr 5, 2019 13:42
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The Oddysey is real good, but somehow I've always been more partial to Virgil's rip off, the Aeneid. Also, I'm going to take this opportunity to plug this book, which blew my mind back in college.  quote:An original and groundbreaking book that examines the psychological devastation of war by comparing the soldiers of Homer’s Iliad with Vietnam veterans suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder.
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Apr 5, 2019 13:48
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Can we point to any peer countries or economic competitors that dedicate finite resources on ensuring anyone interested university level instruction on philosophy or the bassoon can do so absolutely free of charge. Indefinitely, with no restrictions, given means testing or similar barriers are neoliberal evil. Speaking of the decadence...
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Apr 5, 2019 13:51
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KingNastidon posted:Can we point to any peer countries or economic competitors that dedicate finite resources on ensuring anyone interested university level instruction on philosophy or the bassoon can do so absolutely free of charge. Indefinitely, with no restrictions, given means testing or similar barriers are neoliberal evil. Speaking of the decadence... nastidon, why don't you finish your thesis on how free college will hurt the poor i believe you left off with "well, taxes will increase after bernie's implemented all of his policies, so free college will raise taxes on the poor  "
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Apr 5, 2019 13:54
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KingNastidon posted:Can we point to any peer countries or economic competitors that dedicate finite resources on ensuring anyone interested university level instruction on philosophy or the bassoon can do so absolutely free of charge. Indefinitely, with no restrictions, given means testing or similar barriers are neoliberal evil. Speaking of the decadence... American exceptionalism, bitch.
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Apr 5, 2019 13:55
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KingNastidon posted:Can we point to any peer countries or economic competitors that dedicate finite resources on ensuring anyone interested university level instruction on philosophy or the bassoon can do so absolutely free of charge. Indefinitely, with no restrictions, given means testing or similar barriers are neoliberal evil. Speaking of the decadence... I'd loooove to hear your definition of 'peer countries' or 'economic competitors'.
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Apr 5, 2019 13:56
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or did you leave off at "opening the means of social stratification to everyone will destroy our economy. the lower classes will just have to stay in their own lane. it's what's best for our society"?
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Apr 5, 2019 13:56
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Radish posted:Not really the reason they are pretending to is because it's another silver bullet to take down Trump after he made a big show of not doing it and they literally can't find any real dirt on Bernie. it’s very strange how liberals want to see his tax returns so they can go aha , you’re not as rich as you say /you have shady ties to Russia / etc etc he doesn’t care and it won’t stop or slow him down . it’s the dumbest thing in the world
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Apr 5, 2019 13:59
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it actually does bother him it's why he won't release them. he took a guy and his publisher to court because the book said his net worth was several orders of magnitude lower than he claims it is (and lost). but yeah it won't change the minds of any of his voters. with someone like clinton or sanders i didn't care because i already know clinton stupidly gave speeches to goldman sachs where she earned it two hours what it'd cost to buy one of bernie's THREE (!!) HOUSES. Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 14:04 on Apr 5, 2019 |
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Apr 5, 2019 14:00
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Pulcinella di Bund posted:it’s very strange how liberals want to see his tax returns so they can go aha , you’re not as rich as you say /you have shady ties to Russia / etc etc No matter how much money Bernie has, it will simultaneously be too much and too little. The only valid response to "release the tax returns" is "glad to hear you'll support him when he does."
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Apr 5, 2019 14:01
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:No matter how much money Bernie has, it will simultaneously be too much and too little. I don’t even respond to right wing concern trolling when they say “but socialists are supposed to be poor and have no money “ Bernie is rich by all measures , but that doesn’t mean he’s supposed to live in a shack or something like pretty much every republican believes. You can only progressive policies if you’re poor as poo poo or something . what’s more important is he never went gently caress you got mine after he got some money
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Condiv posted:nastidon, why don't you finish your thesis on how free college will hurt the poor If free college is solely funded on taxes on the very wealthy it's not regressive by itself, even if most of the beneficiaries are upper middle class. Assuming there are finite funds from the very wealthy for redistributive social policies (very debatable here) then I think they're better spent on things like M4A, GND, public transportation, etc. are more broadly useful, equitable, and therefore progressive. It's really, really easy to debate politics and candidate plstforms when you're using Sim City cheat codes for free money. The debate and discussion is more interesting if you pretend there isn't unlimited money or other constraints such that you had to actually prioritize things. May help put in context why Canada, UK, Germany, Sweden doesn't have all the policies and outcomes that folks expect here. KingNastidon fucked around with this message at 14:09 on Apr 5, 2019 |
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Apr 5, 2019 14:05
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but there is unlimited money.
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Apr 5, 2019 14:07
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They are already transitioning to "ten years is not enough" it couldn't be a more bad faith concern. I'm already paying taxes to support a military war machine killing wedding parties in a country on the other side of the planet for no reason so I don't really care about HIGHER TAXES to give poor people a shot at college especially when there's plenty of actively bad stuff we can cut. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 14:10 on Apr 5, 2019 |
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Apr 5, 2019 14:07
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the easy answer already is 'The college money for Trump's kids comes straight out of his taxes'.
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Apr 5, 2019 14:09
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KingNastidon posted:It's really, really easy to debate politics and candidate plstforms when you're using Sim City cheat codes for free money. The debate and discussion is more interesting if you pretend there isn't unlimited money or other constraints such that you had to actually prioritize things. May help put in context why Canada, UK, Germany, Sweden doesn't have all the policies and outcomes that folks expect here. your assumption that people are doing that in this thread has led you to faceplanting over and over again maybe you should stop assuming stupid things
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Apr 5, 2019 14:16
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KingNastidon posted:Can we point to any peer countries or economic competitors that dedicate finite resources on ensuring anyone interested university level instruction on philosophy or the bassoon can do so absolutely free of charge. Indefinitely, with no restrictions, given means testing or similar barriers are neoliberal evil. Speaking of the decadence... who gives a poo poo we’re the richest nation on the planet we can use Bezos as a cash piñata and it’ll just be pennies to him
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Apr 5, 2019 14:16
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Groovelord Neato posted:but there is unlimited money. Great take. If only someone before you, Groovelord Neato, had figured this out before. Resource limitations and supply side dynamics are a myth fostered by the elites! Speaking of, when is the next D&D purge? VitalSigns needs to hit the triple. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Apr 5, 2019 14:18
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how did bush cut taxes when we had two expensive wars going if there isn't unlimited money?
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Apr 5, 2019 14:19
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The Republicans just cut taxes for the rich while raising it for everyone else based on poo poo they wrote in the margins of cocktail napkins we can do whatever the gently caress we want it doesn't matter.
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KingNastidon posted:Great take. If only someone before you, Groovelord Neato, had figured this out before. Resource limitations and supply side dynamics are a myth fostered by the elites! Speaking of, when is the next D&D purge? VitalSigns needs to hit the triple. Well, someone has https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Monetary_Theory The only limit on government spending is inflationary effects.
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Apr 5, 2019 14:27
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if we stopped paying for expensive imperialism and destroying the lives of Muslims...just think about what we could afford....like free college for everybody ???
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Pulcinella di Bund posted:if we stopped paying for expensive imperialism and destroying the lives of Muslims...just think about what we could afford....like free college for everybody ??? Look, you have to prioritize what's important, and what's important is burning an infinite amount of money on the pyre of western imperialism
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Well, someone has MMT doesn't state money/resources are infinite and is heavily reliant on being the reserve currency. People aren't ignoring this "one simple trick" to infinite wealth because it's just too drat good and smart.
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i once did the math and the war on terror is going to end up costing us as much as 11,000 years of SNAP fraud.
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KingNastidon posted:MMT doesn't state money/resources are infinite and is heavily reliant on being the reserve currency. People aren't ignoring this "one simple trick" to infinite wealth because it's just too drat good and smart. Not infinite, no, but given the fact that the dollar is the world's reserve currency, and given the profound lack of inflation over the past decade or so, there's every indication that we could be spending a lot more money than we are. Especially if we were spending it on productive investments like education and infrastructure instead of just burning it on a pyre in the middle east. So yeah not "infinite" but more than we need to do what we need and want to do. You don't actually need "infinite" resources to beat resource scarcity, you just need to have more resources than necessary to satisfy all needs. It's a question of thresholds and MMT gets us over the threshold.
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Radish posted:They are already transitioning to "ten years is not enough" it couldn't be a more bad faith concern. This is the real problem with Republican "logic" about raising taxes. They equate all expenses to one another and imply there's no benefit difference between pissing billions away in foreverwars and spending to make the populace healthier or more educated. Hey, it's just all spendin' right? It's bullshit. One side of that example has tangible benefits, benefits that even benefit a capitalist society that they love so much. But not enough rich people profit off of the second thing so here we are.
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Pulcinella di Bund posted:if we stopped paying for expensive imperialism and destroying the lives of Muslims...just think about what we could afford....like free college for everybody ??? We got enough money to do both, and if democratic socialism actually takes hold in the US and revitalizes the economy and social fabric, I guarantee you we'll be involved in even more interventions, no matter the ideology of our leaders. People don't change and neither do the nature of states. The powerful do what they have the power to do and the weak suffer what they must.
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Apr 5, 2019 14:40
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Warren is now officially calling for the end of the filibuster https://twitter.com/lizcgoodwin/status/1114136559505367040?s=21
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Apr 5, 2019 14:46
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Look, you have to prioritize what's important, and what's important is burning an infinite amount of money on the pyre of western imperialism now that’s big stick talk Charlz Guybon posted:We got enough money to do both, and if democratic socialism actually takes hold in the US and revitalizes the economy and social fabric, I guarantee you we'll be involved in even more interventions, no matter the ideology of our leaders. People don't change and neither do the nature of states. you’re right . The USA has always been a trash nation
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Apr 5, 2019 14:47
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theblackw0lf posted:Warren is now officially calling for the end of the filibuster I tell ya, she has just been KILLING it on the policy side, just killing it.
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Pulcinella di Bund posted:now that’s big stick talk I meant the nature of all states, not the US one in particular. Rise any state to the status of a great power, and it will inevitably begin exercising that power on others.
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Fact: Free Firefighting Service is funded by taxes on people that include the poor. Fact: Wealthy homes are more expensive so Free Firefighting Service protects rich people more than poor. Fact: Making this even worse, the wealthy often have multiple homes protected by Free Firefighting Service! So yeah, I don’t know how you can claim that Free Firefighting Service is anything but another handout to the wealthy. For the sake of poor Americans we must stick with Crassus.
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KingNastidon posted:Can we point to any peer countries or economic competitors that dedicate finite resources on ensuring anyone interested university level instruction on philosophy or the bassoon can do so absolutely free of charge. Indefinitely, with no restrictions, given means testing or similar barriers are neoliberal evil. Speaking of the decadence... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Germany#Tuition_fees
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That’s not going to count because KN is pretending that free college also means getting rid of applying to college too.
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theblackw0lf posted:Warren is now officially calling for the end of the filibuster If Warren keeps this up I might have to start examining my unconscious misogynist bias. Why am I supporting Bernie over her again?
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Trabisnikof posted:That’s not going to count because KN is pretending that free college also means getting rid of applying to college too. Yeah I know I'm waiting to post the Pawn Stars meme.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:If Warren keeps this up I might have to start examining my unconscious misogynist bias. Why am I supporting Bernie over her again? warren has no shot unfortunately. in a sane country the primary would just be her and sanders but there's 1. too much overlap between who'd support them 2. too many primary voters that want an empty suit saying drivel.
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