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It could also instead turn out to be really good and both celebrate the show but also be full of cool and interesting information.
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Baronjutter posted:It could also instead turn out to be really good and both celebrate the show but also be full of cool and interesting information. It will!
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Apr 8, 2019 19:41
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Hey everyone, I'm Ira Steven Beir, and like Jesus on the cross, I suffered to bring you the majesty of 90s serialized space soap opera. And now, to show off what 20 million kickstarter dollars can bring you, here's a 20 second clip of the show, now in glorious high definition for the first time. Rick called me up and told me he would shoot my dog if I showed this. Anyway, we're starting up a new kickstarter for a full 720p HD restoration, with a starting goal of 500 million.
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Apr 8, 2019 19:47
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I'm beginning to wish they never made DS9
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Apr 8, 2019 20:14
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Alan_Shore posted:Oh no I hope the retrospective documentary about DS9 isn't too positive about its successes! I'll feel awkward watching it otherwise!
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Apr 8, 2019 20:18
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Alan_Shore posted:I'm beginning to wish they never made DS9 Section 31 was in retrospect one of the worst errors ever made in the era of good Trek shows.
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I remember going to see a theatrical presentation of The Menagerie back in 2007 with my then-girlfriend, I don't remember the other Trek nerds there being particularly annoying or gross or weird. Hell, it wasn't even a full house, I think the theater was less than half-full. HD DAD posted:Ira Behr comes off like a weeaboo fanfic writer who actually got the chance to run their own show and relished every minute of it. It’s both very endearing but also a bit self-indulgent. I don't recall Behr being a big Trek fan when he first started writing for TNG. Maybe he got into it more later, or maybe I'm misremembering. I'm pretty sure a lot of the TOS callback stuff came from either Ron Moore (who was pretty much the token Trek fan on the writing staff and took regular poo poo for it) or from art department guys who'd slip in references when they got asked for planet names or made the Okudagrams.
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Apr 8, 2019 20:45
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Cythereal posted:Section 31 was in retrospect one of the worst errors ever made in the era of good Trek shows. I mean could they 100% expect that every showrunner after 2001 would look at Homefront and think "actually Leyton is right"
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Apr 8, 2019 21:27
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As much as I roll my eyes at S31, what really deeply annoys me is that a lot of people (fans and writers alike) would be all too eager to say "LEYTON WAS A SECTION 31 OPERATIVE!!!!!!!!!" because of course everyone who was ever shifty or bad in Starfleet must have also been involved in ~~*~Section 31~*~~. Like that one dipshit book writer who posited that Admiral Cartwright was in Section 31.
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Apr 8, 2019 21:47
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Like that one dipshit book writer who posited that Admiral Cartwright was in Section 31. wat
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Apr 8, 2019 21:52
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ira behr was good but also extremely 90s with his fedora & love of the rat pack and conspiracy theories. i am referring to him in the past tense like he is already dead
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Apr 8, 2019 22:04
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lol but seriously I posted:ira behr was good but also extremely 90s with his fedora & love of the rat pack and conspiracy theories. i am referring to him in the past tense like he is already dead lol
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Apr 8, 2019 22:36
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Agnosticnixie posted:I mean could they 100% expect that every showrunner after 2001 would look at Homefront and think "actually Leyton is right" I mean, he was. The Dominion was an existential threat, there were Changeling infiltrators on Earth, Starfleet was not prepared for the coming fight, and the sitting president was not the right person for the job. But "orchestrate false flag attacks as part of coup" was not the correct avenue to pursue.
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Apr 8, 2019 22:41
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I didn't know I needed this in my life until now.
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lol but seriously I posted:ira behr was good but also extremely 90s with his fedora & love of the rat pack and conspiracy theories. i am referring to him in the past tense like he is already dead Do you know why he always wears sunglasses and has a purple beard? Early on in DS9 they couldn't spare the office space among the "creatives" so the DS9 staff had to share an office with uncreative suits-types. These uptight suits would look at Ira and his writer buddies not wearing suits and judge them. So as a big gently caress you he died his beard a crazy colour just to show them! Ha, gently caress your uptight sensibilities you squares, I'm a CREATIVE. The sunglasses were because when he was in university he just forgot to take his sunglasses off indoors one day and a GIRL told him he looked silly, so he never took them off to show her. He can't stop doing either because it would mean the popular girls and suits won.
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Baronjutter posted:Do you know why he always wears sunglasses and has a purple beard? That beard dying story actually happened when he was a writer on The 4400 but yeah
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Apr 8, 2019 22:50
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is this on a shirt or jersey somewhere i want it for my next race
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Apr 8, 2019 22:51
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speakhard posted:I just did a reread of Fifty Year Mission and your comment brought this to mind from Ronald D. Moore: I came in shitposting and came out informed, thank you
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Apr 8, 2019 23:00
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Timby posted:wat I can't remember which book it was but I remember someone in one of these Trek threads mentioned that in at least one of the Funny thing is, I think they posted that in response to me saying something like "ugh, at this rate some dipshit will try retconning in that Cartwright was a S31 operative!"
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Apr 8, 2019 23:16
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I can't remember which book it was but I remember someone in one of these Trek threads mentioned that in at least one of the Yeah, there was a series of Trek books about secret Section 31 operatives on the casts of all four shows at the time. Voyager's was Seven, incidentally, courtesy of the Borg assimilating a Section 31 operative and somehow that getting downloaded into Seven's brain. TNG's was the helm guy who got assimilated in First Contact. I think TOS' was Chekov?
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Cythereal posted:
Checks out, dude was fashy as hell. 
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Apr 8, 2019 23:22
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It really doesn't help that a lot of the beta canon stuff is written by Baen-grade authors often with identical politics. It's even more blatant with SFB though.
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Cythereal posted:Yeah, there was a series of Trek books about secret Section 31 operatives on the casts of all four shows at the time. Actually you have it a tad wrong. Lt. Hawk wasn't the Section 31 agent, it was more the Section 31 agents in the novel were trying to convert him to the cause. At the end of the book he's basically like "This is all really hosed up and crosses too many lines" and then tells Picard all about it. Also one of the Section 31 agents was Picard's friend from the academy, and one of his other friends is in the book as a Admiral from Starfleet Intelligence. I still have no idea why I read this book and my only excuse was it was 50 cents at a library book sale. I think the TOS one is something dealing with Cartwright being the one to assign the mission to steal the Cloaking device from the Romulans because Section 31 needed it for reasons also there's an Omega Molecule-related plot they're up to because of course there is. Angry_Ed fucked around with this message at 23:40 on Apr 8, 2019 |
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Apr 8, 2019 23:35
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Angry_Ed posted:I think the TOS one is something dealing with Cartwright being the one to assign the mission to steal the Cloaking device from the Romulans because Section 31 needed it for reasons also there's an Omega Molecule-related plot they're up to because of course there is. The one that made the most sense as a S31 op was that holoship from Insurrection that was going to be used to get the Ba'ku off the planet so Starfleet would have full access to the healing properties of the planet. They never explicitly said it was S31 in the movie but a book took that idea and it made sense to me as something S31 would do. I don't agree with idea that the Khitomer Conspiracy would have been S31. It would make no sense for them to provoke a war between the UFP and the Klingons.
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https://twitter.com/spaceshipsporn/status/1115373755826614279
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:Nimoy had to step down because he became obsessed with Jadzia Dax and knew he must drop everything to pursue a relationship with her Logical. Baronjutter posted:Do you know why he always wears sunglasses and has a purple beard? He truly is One Of Us. 
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Apr 9, 2019 00:20
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No way I'm paying $13 to see a documentary about a show I've loved for 20+ years if there's a guy with a purple beard in it.
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At some point in between getting published and getting to run your own beloved scifi show for 7 years, I feel like there's allowances for doing super 90s poo poo like purple beard and fedoras. As long as he's not like Notch I don't really care.
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Dude is directly responsible for DS9's success, he would straight up lie to Berman saying "oh ya the Dominion War is only going to be a couple episodes" and "you are a great guy, Rick." And Rick would believe him and leave him alone to make some awesome television. If that comes with a purple beard and fedora so be it.
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The Bloop posted:Pick sitting alone in her theater of solitude wearing a bajoran earring and crying into a box of popcorn when Bareil dies It's not quite as compact as "Darmok on the ocean" or "Temba, his arms wide" but I think it's a universal enough experience. 
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If anyone was looking for links for buying the Chief O'Brien shirt https://twitter.com/Brandon_Bird/status/1115111357643350016
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FlamingLiberal posted:I don't agree with idea that the Khitomer Conspiracy would have been S31. It would make no sense for them to provoke a war between the UFP and the Klingons. This is why S31 as a concept is garbage. They are either involved in every type of plot like this, or they are incompetent and bad at their jobs. In a world where S31 exists, the Khitomer Conspiracy had to have gone one of three ways. Either 1) S31 knew about a supported the Conspiracy, meaning they wanted a war for no reason and failed to achieve it, 2) S31 knew about the Conspiracy and was opposed to it, but were incapable of having any meaningful effect and it was only stopped thanks to our heroes, so they still failed, or 3) S31 had no idea what was going on, which means an utter failure of intelligence.
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counterfeitsaint posted:
or 4) S31 saw the heros getting involved and was like 'nah they got this' sufficiently competent espionage work is indistinguishable from doing nothing at all.
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Ira is a big old silly nerd who can't let go of some huge nerdy chips on his shoulder but hes a great guy and everyone always has stories about how he'd stick his neck out and protect and support them and fight for the good things
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Epicurius posted:I didn't find it in 50 year mission, but Torme describes his original script here: You know, you could always just link people to my site instead of The Internet Archive so I'd get a little extra traffic every now and then.  https://earthprime.com/articles/universe-builder Transmodiar fucked around with this message at 01:41 on Apr 9, 2019 |
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FlamingLiberal posted:If anyone was looking for links for buying the Chief O'Brien shirt Of course it's Brandon Bird.  Dude loves DS9. And Lowtax bought a poster from him once, before the crippling debt.
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So, with the existence of Section 31, what does Starfleet Intelligence do all day?
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The_Doctor posted:So, with the existence of Section 31, what does Starfleet Intelligence do all day? Try to find Section 31.
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Technowolf posted:Try to find Section 31. From what we've seen their office is probably in the same building with "Section 31" stenciled on the door but with a cardboard sign duct taped over it that says "janator's closet" in sharpie.
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The_Doctor posted:So, with the existence of Section 31, what does Starfleet Intelligence do all day? Probably the actual spy work. The Federation's ELINT and hacking capabilities are probably the class of the quadrant.
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