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I do think it's pretty funny that this is all potentially happening due to reasons completely independent to the Russian investigation though. Assange finally gets arrested for facilitating the Manning leak a decade later for insulting the president of the state protecting him loooool.
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Raenir Salazar posted:Do you have any sources at all to the part that you're "worried" about? Every news report I've seen has been related to hacking computer stuff charges and nothing else. From the BBC: BBC posted:
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Did you read any of the comments in that twitter thread?
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"He's being charged with conspiracy to rob a bank, and look here where it says he "drove them to the bank". IM SCARED THAT THEY ARE CRIMINALIZING DRIVING"
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Flip Yr Wig posted:I'm personally going to reserve my judgment on how to feel about Assange's arrest until I understand what he's actually being charged with. The specifics of his prosecution really matter a great deal, and it's increasingly looking like it's for the kind of poo poo that do have a legitimate chilling effect on free speech. I'm all for him getting prosecuted for rape or even rolled up with the Mueller investigation, and even very narrowly tailored charges relating to publishing Manning's dump might be appropriate, but it's increasingly looking like he's getting charged for keeping his sources secret. From the UK magistrate court case today and the published US indictment, it appears that Assange was found guilty of evading justice (obviously, though of course Assange and his lawyers protested his innocence for that too) and that the indictment focuses on his involvement in attempted password cracking during the 2010 Manning/Wikileaks affair. The American indictment could well expand, and the Swedes may well put together an indictment again involving the rape, it just remains to be seen.
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If anything the EDVA case means that they've conceded that his publication of materials is probably protected under journalistic protections, since all they have is a really vague "hacking" charge.
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Additionally, since maybe my edit got missed on the new page but, Assange is being charged because of leaking Manning's info, but for conspiracy to steal the info. That he happened to publish. If Manning, completely independently of Assange, downloaded the information and then, without any communication*, handed it to Assange, that would not have been illegal for Assange.
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Raenir Salazar posted:Did you read any of the comments in that twitter thread? My entire point is that I don't understand these types of charges and I'm waiting until some actual attorneys who practice federal criminal law of this type can analyze them for the public. This fact pattern looks concerning. I get that the fact pattern is meant to demonstrate that he conspired with Manning to crack DoD passwords, which is not the same as charging him for publishing the information, but it also looks like a way of broadening the hacking charge to include legitimate behavior. Rent-A-Cop posted:I don't know what's going on, but I'm confident the sky is falling. I literally said that I'm reserving judgment. Flip Yr Wig fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Apr 11, 2019 |
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The idea that they're not going to torture Assange is bewildering to me. They were torturing Chelsea Manning as recently as this month.
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Flip Yr Wig posted:My entire point is that I don't understand these types of charges and I'm waiting until some actual attorneys who practice federal criminal law of this type can analyze them for the public. This fact pattern looks concerning.
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https://twitter.com/zachdcarter/status/1116345741545439234
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Cabbit posted:The idea that they're not going to torture Assange is bewildering to me. They were torturing Chelsea Manning as recently as this month.
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Apr 11, 2019 17:06
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:there are still pro assange posters itt? This thread is like 50% people inventing windmills to tilt against.
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Flip Yr Wig posted:My entire point is that I don't understand these types of charges and I'm waiting until some actual attorneys who practice federal criminal law of this type can analyze them for the public. This fact pattern looks concerning. If you're reserving judgment then why are you coming up with hypotheticals about how he's actually being charged with protecting sources? There is no indication that the indictment involves that, and the only folks talking about that are indeed the "Twitter communtariat"
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Angry_Ed posted:They also tortured Paul Manafort and Martin Shkreli, the fiends. Torture doesn't stop being bad because you use it on assholes, OP.
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Apr 11, 2019 17:09
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Cabbit posted:Torture doesn't stop being bad because you use it on assholes, OP. This is certainly true but there's a certain amount of schadenfreude in the kind of monsters who uphold and make the system as lovely as it is being judged and punished by their own system. Essentially the "leopards won't eat my face" guy getting his face eaten by a leopard.
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Chilichimp posted:(which is what the pro-assange posters ITT are talking about). Who are the pro-Assange posters itt
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Petr posted:Who are the pro-Assange posters itt You. It's you. You are the chosen sacrificial poster.
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Petr posted:Who are the pro-Assange posters itt I ain't no fuckin amateur I'll tell you that.
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Flip Yr Wig posted:My entire point is that I don't understand these types of charges and I'm waiting until some actual attorneys who practice federal criminal law of this type can analyze them for the public. This fact pattern looks concerning. https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1116343038782033920
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Apr 11, 2019 17:13
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LOL gotta empty out that safe before any of the Good Guys get unfortunate details leaked about them.
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Apr 11, 2019 17:16
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Private Speech posted:I don't think he should go to the US prison for publishing Manning's leak. Good news: he's not!
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Apr 11, 2019 17:16
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Push El Burrito posted:The last time I was at prison there was an ice cream vending machine and also I was able to buy nachos. No prisoner is free until they rescind their "they don't allow you to have bees here" policy
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Apr 11, 2019 17:17
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Time for some center-left trutherism!
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IDK what's funnier, these charges against him or Avanatti on the debate stage.
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PT6A posted:Why didn't Assange just behave himself and do as he was asked by his hosts, and avoid this whole problem in the first place? Haha holy poo poo this argument is Republican as gently caress
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Apr 11, 2019 17:19
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Bezos could easily buy the Enquirer and just immediately burn down the building
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Yeah, that's more or less that I thought. If it's just limited to that, I guess it's not exactly chilling to journalists. But let's see if it stops there: https://twitter.com/ShimonPro/status/1116352244486742019 Maybe that's going to be Mueller/Russia stuff, which I'm not so defensive about.
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pseudanonymous posted:This is certainly true but there's a certain amount of schadenfreude in the kind of monsters who uphold and make the system as lovely as it is being judged and punished by their own system. Essentially the "leopards won't eat my face" guy getting his face eaten by a leopard. That's understandable to a degree, I'm just saying, anyone who thinks he might not be tortured is straight deluding themself because the US was literally just torturing somebody involved in this poo poo like a week ago.
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Apr 11, 2019 17:21
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New take from the Enquirer: Civil rights are good, but also megacorporations are very, very good.
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Haha Sweden is reopening the rape charges against Assange. Good. Realistically, he's still going to have to serve his year sentence for bail jumping anyway before he gets extradited to either the US or Sweden right? Local charges take precedence?
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pseudanonymous posted:This is certainly true but there's a certain amount of schadenfreude in the kind of monsters who uphold and make the system as lovely as it is being judged and punished by their own system. Essentially the "leopards won't eat my face" guy getting his face eaten by a leopard. It is also the only way we'll get prison reform. Stop protecting the privileged from the horrors of the American Prison system. Make them face consequences.
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Flip Yr Wig posted:Yeah, that's more or less that I thought. If it's just limited to that, I guess it's not exactly chilling to journalists. But let's see if it stops there: The issue is you made up a concern about protecting sources; mere non-specific hand wringing would have been less alarmist.
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Petr posted:Haha holy poo poo this argument is Republican as gently caress Not really. It's more of an observation that if he hadn't been living his dirty internet edgelord fantasies and suing Ecuador for "inhumane conditions" like paying for his own food and laundry, he'd probably still be living in the apartment that they built for him.
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Kaal posted:Not really. It's more of an observation that if he hadn't been living his dirty internet edgelord fantasies and suing Ecuador for "inhumane conditions" like paying for his own food and laundry, he'd probably still be living in the apartment that they built for him. Ehh I think he was hosed no matter what he did but the fact that he went full trumpist makes it much easier for me to point and laugh at him and his fate.
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Assange almost certainly broke a bunch of laws, and could end up in the really bad US prison system, and is not going to be the victim of some CIA covert black op thing because everything has become super public worldwide already and that's literally the exact opposite of "covert." Think that about covers it.
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:Haha Sweden is reopening the rape charges against Assange. Good. I guarantee he is on a plane over the Atlantic right now.
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Angry_Ed posted:It is also the only way we'll get prison reform. Stop protecting the privileged from the horrors of the American Prison system. Make them face consequences. Yeah, the golden boy Kushner is all about prison reform because his daddy actually had to do time for some of his many crimes.
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