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| Joe "the liberal who fights busing" Biden |
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| Bernie "please don't die" Sanders |
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| Cory "charter schools" Booker |
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| Kirsten "wall street" Gillibrand |
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24 | 1.24% |
| Kamala "truancy queen" Harris |
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59 | 3.06% |
| Julian "who?" Castro |
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| Tulsi "gay panic" Gabbard |
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25 | 1.30% |
| Michael "crimes crimes crimes" Avenatti |
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| Sherrod "discount bernie" Brown |
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21 | 1.09% |
| Amy "horrible boss" Klobuchar |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Tammy "stands for america" Duckworth |
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48 | 2.49% |
| Beto "whataburger" O'Rourke |
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32 | 1.66% |
| Elizabeth "instagram beer" Warren |
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284 | 14.72% |
| Tom "impeach please" Steyer |
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4 | 0.21% |
| Michael "soda is the devil" Bloomberg |
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9 | 0.47% |
| Joseph Stalin |
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287 | 14.87% |
| Howard "coffee republican" Schultz |
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10 | 0.52% |
Jay "nobody cares about climate change  " Inslee |
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13 | 0.67% |
| Pete "gently caress the homeless" Butt Man |
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17 | 0.88% |
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Nancy Pelosi is technically not relevant conversation to the Dem Primary, but I'll allow it because  holy poo poo is that some bad politicking.Warren continues to drop very good policy ideas: https://twitter.com/theintercept/status/1117417308174127104 fake edit: well this is a hell of a snipe, now my eye pop smilie doesn't work as intended 
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Apr 14, 2019 14:34
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WampaLord posted:Nancy Pelosi is technically not relevant conversation to the Dem Primary, but I'll allow it because Ah poo poo - I posted it here because the USPOL thread is terrible but it loving cheesed me off and its no fun posting in CSPAM where the donuts don't tread. Sorry, my bad. Relevant to the topic - Warren seems to be killing it with the policies. I haven't seen any new policies from Sanders - I suppose he'll whip out the new shine closer to the actual primaries.
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Apr 14, 2019 14:34
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https://twitter.com/Olivianuzzi/status/1117400736059543552?s=19 This is my favorite Judd Apatow movie.
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Apr 14, 2019 14:35
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MrFlibble posted:Ah poo poo - I posted it here because the USPOL thread is terrible but it loving cheesed me off and its no fun posting in CSPAM where the donuts don't tread. Sorry, my bad. Even USPOL is starting to realize Pelosi is trash.
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Apr 14, 2019 14:46
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https://twitter.com/samraskinz/status/1117425673419751424 I think "honors student identity politics" is my favorite summary of Mayor Pete so far
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Apr 14, 2019 15:08
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 i was gonna joke about them recycling content but lol olivia nuzzi also wrote the piece on ossoff
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Apr 14, 2019 15:59
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KingNastidon posted:I think wearing blackface and publishing a picture doing so in your college yearbook is a bit different than aligning with one of the two major political parties in the country. Yeah being a republican is way worse
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Apr 14, 2019 16:05
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Terror Sweat posted:Yeah being a republican is way worse I mean Ralph Northram was both of those things.
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Apr 14, 2019 16:06
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Z. Autobahn posted:Ehhhh, I’m generally not into Warren, but I don’t think this is totally fair. People can change a lot in 30 years, and it’s not like this is a Harris-esque reinvention where she’s doing a 180 from where she was six months ago. Like I genuinely think she is sincere about her current beliefs and will fight for them. Her sincere beliefs are that capitalism is a great system that requires some regulatory fixes to prevent "cheating". I'm suggesting that this makes her an inferior choice to Sanders, who is pretty milquetoast himself but at least has been consistent in recognizing that what is needed is a much deeper and more fundamentally political change. Warren's general thrust seems to be the need for smarter rules and regulations, Sanders on the other hand seems to centre his argument in the need to mobilize popular power from below while actively trying to dismantle entire industries like health insurance. I just don't think Warren's ideology or temperament is at all suited to the present political moment. What is really needed, to quote something Oliver Wendell Homes said about FDR, "a second-class intellect but a first-class temperament". I think that D&D goons, being on the nerdy side of things, tend to fetishize smartness and data and the other trappings of academia, and can't help but see these affectations as valuable in their own right. Normally I'm pretty sympathetic to that for obvious reasons. But in this case I think it's completely wrongheaded and that Warren's wonkish tendency is a significant liability at a time when the left needs bomb throwers with the will to take risks and gently caress poo poo up.
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Apr 14, 2019 16:10
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Radish posted:Even USPOL is starting to realize Pelosi is trash. Proud, as a Californian, to be a longtime, charter member of the Pelosi Is Trash Brigade. We welcome, as always, as many new members as want to join with us. Plenty of room on this bandwagon.
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Apr 14, 2019 16:32
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https://twitter.com/kenvogel/status/1117446279733362689 Good to see Bernie's team already fighting back against the countless smear attacks
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Apr 14, 2019 16:49
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Terror Sweat posted:What’s your stance on the guy wearing blackface then? We could follow the lead of Virginia's African-American community, who did not want Northam to resign.
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Apr 14, 2019 17:05
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VH4Ever posted:What state do you live in, might I ask? Michigan . And I will gladly let trump win in 2020 if it comes down to Biden. I refuse to vote for him . I’ll vote in my local elections but not for him . Majorian posted:I don't agree. Biden will compromise on entirely too many important things, ultimately dooming the country and the human race, but I sincerely doubt he'd appoint someone as openly odious as a Gorsuch or a Kavanaugh. This is not because he's a good person, but rather because he'd lose the support of the center, without gaining any support from the right. He'd quickly become as unpopular as Trump. Biden's an egomaniac, but he's not a complete idiot. He's not going to do anything that makes him that hated. I think you’re right and this is really sad that joe Biden or Donald trump is in charge of our futures . Z. Autobahn posted:Even the shittiest succdems support expanding voting rights to the point of making it the first item on the House docket, including Pelosi and Biden. That alone is a seismic step up from Trump who’s pushing as hard as he can in the other direction I don’t agree . They agree in spirit or in...numbers . But will do nothing when push comes to shove . Decorum over all
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Apr 14, 2019 17:20
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Pulcinella di Bund posted:Michigan . And I will gladly let trump win in 2020 if it comes down to Biden. I refuse to vote for him . I’ll vote in my local elections but not for him . Let's see what happens before we get too hasty. But your state matters, I would hope you wouldn't treat your vote with such flippancy. I can do that, I'm in California. You cannot.
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Apr 14, 2019 17:27
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Apr 14, 2019 17:28
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Helsing posted:Her sincere beliefs are that capitalism is a great system that requires some regulatory fixes to prevent "cheating". I'm suggesting that this makes her an inferior choice to Sanders, who is pretty milquetoast himself but at least has been consistent in recognizing that what is needed is a much deeper and more fundamentally political change. Warren's general thrust seems to be the need for smarter rules and regulations, Sanders on the other hand seems to centre his argument in the need to mobilize popular power from below while actively trying to dismantle entire industries like health insurance. While she does say she is a capitalist, the way she wants to fix capitalism goes way beyond just some regulations. For example, her proposal to have 40 percent worker representation on corporate boards, which admittedly is lower than I’d want but I don’t see any other candidate proposing anything better. Also she wants to do much more to strengthen labor unions. These proposals help empower the working class to fight against the ruling class. And because she’s wonkish, she can look at the system and identity both large and small steps that can be taken through executive action that helps balance inequities of power and gives more power in the hands of the people. As for taking risks, she did come out with a speech where she endorsed eliminating the filibuster. I will concede she is probably more risk adverse than Bernie. Though I don’t think that’s necessarily a bad thing, as being more risk adverse can lead to seeing more possible negative consequences of actions, as long as that doesn’t impede taking action, but instead steps are taken to make sure those consequences don’t happen, while still taking the action, or a somewhat different action that still leads to similar positive results. Also I gotta be honest, even though Bernie is a socialist and Warren is a capitalist, I’m just not that convinced a Bernie presidency would lead us to a more socialist society than a Warren would. And in fact, it’s possible a Warren society will more. In part because I’m concerned Bernie is too focused on using legislative means, where he has far less control, and not enough on executive means, where the president has much more. He has a year to convince me otherwise, but I need to start hearing from him more about how he would use the executive branch to effect change.
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Apr 14, 2019 17:31
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VH4Ever posted:Let's see what happens before we get too hasty. But your state matters, I would hope you wouldn't treat your vote with such flippancy. I can do that, I'm in California. You cannot. what’s Biden gonna do for me personally ? nothing . if he doesn’t offer me anything , no tangibles , no benefits , no bonuses , I see no reason to vote for the old pussy toucher
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Apr 14, 2019 17:33
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VH4Ever posted:Let's see what happens before we get too hasty. But your state matters, I would hope you wouldn't treat your vote with such flippancy. I can do that, I'm in California. You cannot. Individual votes literally do not matter on a national scale, please curb your impulse to scold individual voters. If Biden loses it's because he turned off hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of potential D voters, not because one goon on SA didn't vote for him. The whole "well you better vote blue no matter who" conversation is a dead end that focuses on assigning blame to voters instead of the people in power. It's unproductive and makes the thread more hostile. Can we please have it be a verboten topic? theblackw0lf posted:Also I gotta be honest, even though Bernie is a socialist and Warren is a capitalist, I’m just not that convinced a Bernie presidency would lead us to a more socialist society than a Warren would. And in fact, it’s possible a Warren society will more.  This just makes me question your entire concept of politics, like this is just a very foolish thing to say. WampaLord fucked around with this message at 17:38 on Apr 14, 2019 |
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Apr 14, 2019 17:36
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theblackw0lf posted:While she does say she is a capitalist, the way she wants to fix capitalism goes way beyond just some regulations. For example, her proposal to have 40 percent worker representation on corporate boards, which admittedly is lower than I’d want but I don’t see any other candidate proposing anything better. 40% is completely meaningless to the point where even acknowledging the proposal is a waste of everyone's time, both because it has 0 power to begin with and because the options given for "worker-chosen" representatives will not necessarily be good options. It's the definition of a nothing proposal.
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Apr 14, 2019 17:37
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LinYutang posted:We could follow the lead of Virginia's African-American community, who did not want Northam to resign. That's less a signal that they're okay with Northam and more of one that they don't want him to be replaced by Fairfax, who would be quickly replaced by Herring, who would be quickly replaced by a Republican.
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Apr 14, 2019 17:38
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My take on this is that right now Bernie is the furthest-left intersection point between "most electable" and "most left wing", so supporting his candidacy helps push the whole field leftward. As we get closer to the actual election that evaluation may shift, but for now it makes sense to Boost Bernie almost regardless.
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Apr 14, 2019 17:39
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dunno how people think he's leftist when he's got a typeface page full of marketing/brand bullshit reminds me of the pepsi theory of relativity 
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Apr 14, 2019 17:39
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WampaLord posted:Individual votes literally do not matter on a national scale, please curb your impulse to scold individual voters. If Biden loses it's because he turned off hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of potential D voters, not because one goon on SA didn't vote for him. Well, I took great care to stop short of doing that. I was mostly expressing concern about a general attitude and my preference is we focus less on projecting who you should vote for in 2020 and focus on now, when we still have the ability to make it NOT be Biden you'd potentially vote or not vote for in 2020.
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Apr 14, 2019 17:41
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In the interest of appearing slightly impartial and not totally biased for Bernie, I will post this tweet that shows that Buttmentum does indeed appear to be real, at least in his hometown of South Bend: https://twitter.com/costareports/status/1117458851564068864 That's a lot of people on a rainy day.
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Apr 14, 2019 17:43
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WampaLord posted:Individual votes literally do not matter on a national scale, please curb your impulse to scold individual voters. If Biden loses it's because he turned off hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of potential D voters, not because one goon on SA didn't vote for him. Why? I trust Warren will get more poo poo done than Bernie. Doesn’t matter as much if Bernie has a better overall vision if he’s not able to do as much to accomplish it.
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Apr 14, 2019 17:55
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theblackw0lf posted:Why? I trust Warren will get more poo poo done than Bernie. Doesn’t matter as much if Bernie has a better overall vision if he’s not able to do as much to accomplish it. Warren is more wonkish on the policies which are passed by the senate and Bernie is more bullish on the message which would be best spoken by the president Seems like if they were on the same team it'd be pretty rad.
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Apr 14, 2019 18:01
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theblackw0lf posted:Why? I trust Warren will get more poo poo done than Bernie. Doesn’t matter as much if Bernie has a better overall vision if he’s not able to do as much to accomplish it. Why do you think Warren would be able to accomplish more than Bernie outside of "she's so wonky?" Wonk power won't magically make Joe Manchin vote yes on a GND or M4A. At least Bernie changes the Overton Window just by being unafraid to say he's a socialist, or soc dem, or whatever you want to call it. He understands the fundamental problem is capitalism, Warren does not. To claim that Warren would lead us to a more socialist society than Bernie would is just wishful thinking. I'm not saying electing Bernie gets us Full Socialism Now, but Warren doesn't even see that as the end goal. Like you said "even though Bernie is a socialist and Warren is a capitalist, I think Warren gets us closer to socialism" do you not see how inherently ridiculous that claim is? WampaLord fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Apr 14, 2019 |
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Apr 14, 2019 18:02
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theblackw0lf posted:Why? I trust Warren will get more poo poo done than Bernie. Doesn’t matter as much if Bernie has a better overall vision if he’s not able to do as much to accomplish it. again sanders literally just got a resolution against the war in yemen passed through a senate controlled by mitch mcconnell. it's not like he has no clue how congress, which he has been a member of for like 30 years, works
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Apr 14, 2019 18:14
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WampaLord posted:Why do you think Warren would be able to accomplish more than Bernie outside of "she's so wonky?" Wonk power won't magically make Joe Manchin vote yes on a GND or M4A. The claim gets less ridiculous when you realize that no liberal really has a working definition of socialism or capitalism for that matter. To people like the OP, socialism is when the government does things
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Apr 14, 2019 18:16
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It’s true that a Sanders and a Warren administration would look very similar policy-wise (because all policy has to get approved by Joe Manchin) but it’s also true that in terms of being an inspirational figure who shapes the discourse and transforms the party, Sanders would have way more impact Pulcinella di Bund posted:I don’t agree . They agree in spirit or in...numbers . But will do nothing when push comes to shove . Decorum over all This makes no sense. Even if you think Dems are the worst most selfish corporate shills, they’d still pass voting rights protections because it’s in their immediate rational self-interest: it hugely boosts their odds of re-election. There’s a reason it’s one thing the party universally agrees on and prioritizes. It’s also one of the most important pieces of legislation we need to pass in 2020.
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Apr 14, 2019 18:58
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Z. Autobahn posted:This makes no sense. Even if you think Dems are the worst most selfish corporate shills, they’d still pass voting rights protections because it’s in their immediate rational self-interest: it hugely boosts their odds of re-election. There’s a reason it’s one thing the party universally agrees on and prioritizes. It’s also one of the most important pieces of legislation we need to pass in 2020. People who hold power in organizations always care more about their power within the organization than about the power of the organization as a whole.
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Apr 14, 2019 19:00
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:People who hold power in organizations always care more about their power within the organization than about the power of the organization as a whole. Sure, but this isn’t an either-or case? Expanding voting rights benefits all Dems, whether they’re centrists or leftists. That’s why it’s such an agreed-upon party plank
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Apr 14, 2019 19:01
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https://twitter.com/DavidMizner/status/1117373509297164289 it's sad this is the leftmost we get on america's neocolonialism  maybe the gravelanche can push him left
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Apr 14, 2019 19:39
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Z. Autobahn posted:This makes no sense. Even if you think Dems are the worst most selfish corporate shills, they’d still pass voting rights protections because it’s in their immediate rational self-interest: it hugely boosts their odds of re-election. There’s a reason it’s one thing the party universally agrees on and prioritizes. It’s also one of the most important pieces of legislation we need to pass in 2020. I'm not even sure that it is in their best interest. The Democrats do nothing agenda is largely held up by the notion that better things are not politically possible. If we suddenly have a D super majority due to voting protections, that's not so good for them.
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Apr 14, 2019 19:39
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Condiv posted:https://twitter.com/DavidMizner/status/1117373509297164289 The rest of what Sanders said: quote:“It is a failed regime. From all of the recent evidence, it appears that the election was fraudulent. And, despite his ideology, what we need to see is democracy established in Venezuela. That does not mean deciding that some politician is the new President, who never won any election.” I asked whether, given the depth of Venezuela’s suffering, he had considered calling for a more muscular and immediate response than the monitoring of future elections. Sanders thought for a moment, said that military intervention was off the table for him, and added, “The world community has got to be mindful of the humanitarian suffering and the hunger that’s going on in Venezuela right now. But, at the end of the day, I think what you want in one of the largest countries in Latin America is free and fair elections, and we want to do everything we can to establish democracy there.” So, he's not supporting Guaido and he's ruling out military force. Maduro is indeed a corrupt dictator despite being nominally socialist and I think this is an appropriate response to it.
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Apr 14, 2019 19:50
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Z. Autobahn posted:It’s true that a Sanders and a Warren administration would look very similar policy-wise (because all policy has to get approved by Joe Manchin) but it’s also true that in terms of being an inspirational figure who shapes the discourse and transforms the party, Sanders would have way more impact Maybe on the legislative output. When it comes to Executive staffing I think Bernie is going to put forth better picks than Warren. Judicially I honestly don't know if or what their differences are.
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Apr 14, 2019 19:50
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Gyges posted:Maybe on the legislative output. When it comes to Executive staffing I think Bernie is going to put forth better picks than Warren. Judicially I honestly don't know if or what their differences are. Are there even enough qualified left wing legal thinkers out there who could be appointed as judges? DONT THREAD ON ME fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Apr 14, 2019 |
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Apr 14, 2019 20:00
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Gyges posted:Maybe on the legislative output. When it comes to Executive staffing I think Bernie is going to put forth better picks than Warren. Judicially I honestly don't know if or what their differences are.
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Bernie is going to win the nomination but the media is going to decorum frenzy themselves into pushing this centrist racist troop cop as his vp god dang it
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