Jeoh posted:

It would be nice if Paradox released more minor patches (and more frequently). Should make it easier on QA too.

Gamerofthegame posted:

Paradox does have some awful QA, though. Stellaris and HoI iin particular have issues about this, with CK2 and EU4 in general being generic enough to skate by. Namely, things that are attached to a DLC do not tend to get updated with a new DLC/patch as necessary. In Stellaris, the newest big change tripped up gesalt empires because not everything was properly compensated for (though this was swiftly fixed, but not the point) and in HoI as a rule of thumb all countries with focus trees in Together for Victory break every new big DLC. For instance, when Waking the Tiger came out Germany could go not-Hitler, but a bunch of Commonwealth tries required Hitler to be Hitlering to actually progress whatsoever, like South Africa's Commonwealth branch. Man the Guns in particular is a huge mess for them, as pretty much all of their naval focus trees still point to the old designs for ships across the board, including giving you those old, now extremely overpowered ships if it gives you a free boat/design. This too was fixed by now, mostly, but still.

Maybe calling QA bad is an overstatement, as it's relatively rare they're trash happy. But the actual testing environment and double checking their work is weirdly awful.

Poil posted:

Populations in Stellaris doesn't migrate as they did, now the setting just allows them to grow new pops on other planets. They never move. There is a decision you can enact which stops population growth on a planet. The only way to prevent the eventual unemployment and homelessness is to use that or manually force-moving populations yourself (if you have the tyrannical law enabled to do so). It's so fun to fiddle with that all the time.

Uh... unless you mean that synthetics which are built in robot factories cannot even do that. I haven't actually used them so I don't know. In the game I tried I got bored long before I randomly lucked into the required tech for synths.

Reveilled posted:

I'm aware it has changed, but before ascension when the core worlds got overpopulated migration would increase pop growth elsewhere while causing decline on my homeworlds, which was functionally similar enough. Built pops are unaffected by migration, no decline, no growth elsewhere.

Party In My Diapee posted:

The problem is that losing the civil war means game over.

Jeoh posted:

The more frequently you release, the less complex the set of changes to test.

Volcott posted:

CharlestheHammer posted:

I haven’t seen it but apparently civil wars are fairly common in imperator. Which I like because for the most part civil wars aren’t usually a big deal in paradox games.

Like only CK has anything resembling a threat on that front

Chomp8645 posted:

I was watching Shenryyr play the dev game thing and the only thing I said the whole time was "Imperator: Civil War Simulator". He looked at chat and said "I agree, Chomp" and then when the devs were talking to the players at the end he said to them "I think you misnamed your game. It should be 'Imperator: Civil War Simulator' " and there was an awkward silence.

lol

CharlestheHammer posted:

They are streaming the players who have no idea what they are doing thing again and it’s interesting to say the least.

They have no idea how peace mechanics work and there is no one there to give them any help.

Dwesa posted:

I am rather cautious about buying I:R because of what happened to Stellaris.

I think this convinced me to buy I:R.

Pump it up! Do it! posted:

Also quite funny that in the dividing the spoils stream Caledonia is now the most technologically advanced are in the game since the player there turned everyone in his country into citizens.

Fintilgin posted:

I have always wanted the civil wars from Rome ported to other Paradox games, like EUIV.

Like the war of the roses or whatever should have dynamic York/Lancaster tags which can build new armies and hold territory and such.

trapped mouse posted:

I'm not too familiar with the systems yet (seeing as, well, the game isn't actually out yet) but wouldn't this leave you pretty broke with very little manpower?

Gamerofthegame posted:

Paradox does have some awful QA, though. Stellaris and HoI iin particular have issues about this, with CK2 and EU4 in general being generic enough to skate by. Namely, things that are attached to a DLC do not tend to get updated with a new DLC/patch as necessary. In Stellaris, the newest big change tripped up gesalt empires because not everything was properly compensated for (though this was swiftly fixed, but not the point) and in HoI as a rule of thumb all countries with focus trees in Together for Victory break every new big DLC. For instance, when Waking the Tiger came out Germany could go not-Hitler, but a bunch of Commonwealth tries required Hitler to be Hitlering to actually progress whatsoever, like South Africa's Commonwealth branch. Man the Guns in particular is a huge mess for them, as pretty much all of their naval focus trees still point to the old designs for ships across the board, including giving you those old, now extremely overpowered ships if it gives you a free boat/design. This too was fixed by now, mostly, but still.

Maybe calling QA bad is an overstatement, as it's relatively rare they're trash happy. But the actual testing environment and double checking their work is weirdly awful.

ArchangeI posted:

not to put too fine a point on it but: if everyone who preordered MtG or got it from the Season Pass played the game for a single hour after the patch hit, that would amount to more play-test time than if the entirety of Paradox, both PDS and PI, did nothing but play the finished release-version of the patch/DLC for 8 hours a day, 40 hours a week, for an entire year. That doesn't excuse the bugs, but I think it puts them into perspective. Some of the things you mentioned are more forgivable, of course, than others. In some cases there are no simple solutions (like pretty much all of TfV assuming Britain is democratic) and that is as frustrating for us as it is for you.

Maybe we should include a list of "bugs you won't ever see in this release because they were fixed during development and never saw the light of day" with every patch, but that would be a very long list indeed.

Alchenar posted:

Paradox haven't release a game that was actually fundamentally broken since Vicky 2.

Drone posted:

A few people are complaining of absolutely poo poo game performance too (like, in terms of the game actually running).

CharlestheHammer posted:

I thought it’s problem was it was empty not broken.

Chomp8645 posted:

Stellaris

Soup du Jour posted:

“I convinced myself that this would be the grand strategy game to end all grand strategy games” is not the same thing as a game being broken, no matter what Games would like to think

RabidWeasel posted:

This is not good news because my PC is definitely not up to the recommended spec

Dwesa posted:

This is not something I ever thought about when thinking about Paradox title. But considering the number of provinces in I:R, maybe I should actually check the specs.