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Donovan Trip posted:Yes, you are special. No, you are no one. The last jedi did pretty bad internationally, so i somehiw doubt that
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The best would have been the resistance doing space 9/11, then the first order invades them and a bunch of unrelated planets using the attack as a pretense. The final movie has them almost wiped out before they are saved by a multinational army that's fighting to create a new republic based on jediism called the jedi state of the inner sphere also known as jSIS
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Apr 15, 2019 18:24
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Apr 15, 2019 18:25
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Not as bad as Solo and rogue one, that's the measure now. I mean you gotta keep in mind Disney has had numerous plans for star wars and stuck to none of them, changed strategy after every film, there's no central leader here and these movies need vision. It's film by committee, with no source material. I like TLJ but I'm in no way trying to spend time convincing anyone it's secretly great or something. If you don't like it that's valid. I think there are different ways of interpreting something you don't like in films, and i think thats fun but everyone is right that the well is pretty godamn dry here
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Apr 15, 2019 18:25
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Donovan Trip posted:Not as bad as Solo and rogue one, that's the measure now. I mean you gotta keep in mind Disney has had numerous plans for star wars and stuck to none of them, changed strategy after every film, there's no central leader here and these movies need vision. It's film by committee, with no source material. I hope they re-hire Lucas
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Apr 15, 2019 18:27
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Donovan Trip posted:Not as bad as Solo and rogue one, that's the measure now. I mean you gotta keep in mind Disney has had numerous plans for star wars and stuck to none of them, changed strategy after every film, there's no central leader here and these movies need vision. It's film by committee, with no source material. Star Wars is also on hiatus after TROS (welcome that acronym to Star Wars) because all Anthology movies got scrapped and any new trilogies aren't even written yet. It's for the best because Disney really needs to figure out a plan here because its almost like they just assumed Star Wars would just print money regardless of quality.
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Apr 15, 2019 18:28
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Regarding Lucas, The phantom menace is at least tightly edited and fun bad rather than boring bad. Kids like it. That's more than many would say about the new trilogy
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Apr 15, 2019 18:29
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How hard would it have been to make a movie where the original trilogy's cast were treated respectfully and allowed to pass the torch to the new cast?
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Apr 15, 2019 18:33
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Donovan Trip posted:Regarding Lucas, The phantom menace is at least tightly edited and fun bad rather than boring bad. Kids like it. That's more than many would say about the new trilogy Also it tried new things without endlessly rehashing the original movies. Even tha drat design and spaceships in the new movies are.boring as poo poo. They suck even for selling toys
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Apr 15, 2019 18:33
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Ironslave posted:I'd like to think Abrams, even for all his doofy views on good filmmaking, knows this. I'd wager "Rise of Skywalker" would probably end up referring to Luke's role as inspirational figure which the climax of TLJ touched on rather than something asinine like "Rey was a Skywalker all along" or "it's the new word for Jedi" or "actually, it's referring to Kylo Ren/Ben Solo." It wouldn't surprise me if Luke isn't really dead or a force ghost and they just retcon him disappearing at the end. It's astral projections all the way down. Even though I think Luke turning his back on the Jedi is a decent idea on paper, the way it was handled in the new movies was pretty terrible. Hammill was at least open in the press about hating the direction for his character and that the new movies were like relay races in that nothing was planned and one director picks up where the last one left off. He said as much as he could publicly without a giant Mickey Mouse cane yanking him offstage
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Apr 15, 2019 18:35
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Justin Godscock posted:Star Wars is also on hiatus after TROS (welcome that acronym to Star Wars) because all Anthology movies got scrapped and any new trilogies aren't even written yet. It's for the best because Disney really needs to figure out a plan here because its almost like they just assumed Star Wars would just print money regardless of quality. They tried to do the avengers trilogy + character trilogy model with Star Wars ignoring the fact they didn't have decades of writers works as a starting point. And yup, it's hubris too. It really is a headless corporate committee product with no vision, there are universal tells when that happens whether the product is a movie or an app or an event or whatever else. Everyone wanted to be in charge so no one was. There were no agreed upon principles, except as you said they all agreed they would make money. Aaaaand they mangled that, too
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Apr 15, 2019 18:40
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Hairy Busey posted:Also it tried new things without endlessly rehashing the original movies.
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Hairy Busey posted:Also it tried new things without endlessly rehashing the original movies. Even tha drat design and spaceships in the new movies are.boring as poo poo. They suck even for selling toys I was pretty surprised, from a marketing standpoint, that there were only three spaceships for video games and toys to use. An x-wing+ a TIE fighter+, and Star Destroyer+. Nothing else. Like what are people supposed to work. There literally wasn't any resistance vessel that I can remember on screen larger than a fighter. Oh but it's ok they have quirky space-gnome bartender that we're very told and very not shown is totally cool and badass. That'll help.
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Apr 15, 2019 18:48
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anyone else keep reading it as "ree-ann" and not "ryan" ?
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Apr 15, 2019 18:52
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Donovan Trip posted:Regarding Lucas, The phantom menace is at least tightly edited and fun bad rather than boring bad. Kids like it. That's more than many would say about the new trilogy Ive always thought that was the best prequel movie because it had some semblance of a story arc people could give a poo poo about. Without jar jar and a different, older anakin actor it would have been serviceable
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Apr 15, 2019 18:53
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These numbers are based on available rounded estimates of course but some quick math TFA + 2 BILLION ROGUE ONE + 1 BILLION TLJ + 1 BILLION SOLO + 450 MILLION ~~~~ BUYING THE FRANCHISE - 4 BILLION MAKING 4 MOVIES - 1.5 BILLION GLOBAL ADVERTISING of 4 MOVIES - ~5 BILLION ALL SORTS OF MERCH COSTS - 900 MILLION Disney has lost billions on Star Wars so far and that's pretty funny. Lucas won tbh Donovan Trip fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Apr 15, 2019 |
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Apr 15, 2019 18:53
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I'd like to think the advertising backfired a bit on them as I know a lot of people who got real sick of seeing Star Wars everywhere.
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Apr 15, 2019 19:00
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KillerJunglist posted:I'd like to think the advertising backfired a bit on them as I know a lot of people who got real sick of seeing Star Wars everywhere. My research shows that even on Something Awful a majority of folk are just sick of all these star war!
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Apr 15, 2019 19:03
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Donovan Trip posted:These numbers are based on available rounded estimates of course but some quick math They'll make it all back in the next year guaranteed. People are about to pay $1000 a night to stay in a hotel and pretend to be a Star Wars person.
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Apr 15, 2019 19:03
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Donovan Trip posted:they didn't have decades of writers works as a starting point. And yup, it's hubris too. They totally did though, they just decided they knew better. If they did the Rogue Squadron books into movies they'd be having their collective genitals sucked off but instead, this. There's was a lot of crap in EU don't get me wrong but there was also a lot that wasn't. Donovan Trip posted:These numbers are based on available rounded estimates of course but some quick math It is funny but also I don't think it's fair to put merch costs in the list without putting merch profits? Or are they just in the hole $900m on merch period (would be surprising tbh)? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNZove4OTtI Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Apr 15, 2019 |
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Apr 15, 2019 19:21
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Yeah, I'd wager that Disney is in the black with respect to all things Star Wars. However, I'd also wager that they expected to have made more money by now. China's indifference to it is probably putting a bigger dent in things than anything else.
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Apr 15, 2019 19:44
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Magnitogorsk. posted:Ive always thought that was the best prequel movie because it had some semblance of a story arc people could give a poo poo about. Without jar jar and a different, older anakin actor it would have been serviceable tell me you know about the "evil jar-jar theory"
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Apr 15, 2019 19:58
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Universe Master posted:It's hilarious that they are making GBS threads all over rian Johnson's work and he just has to take it. Looking at the rate that Disney is gobbling up studios, if he does anything to piss them off he won't have anywhere to work.
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Apr 15, 2019 20:35
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Bogus Adventure posted:Yeah, I'd wager that Disney is in the black with respect to all things Star Wars. However, I'd also wager that they expected to have made more money by now. China's indifference to it is probably putting a bigger dent in things than anything else. Imagine a movie so bad even China doesn't watch it
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Apr 15, 2019 20:40
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Hairy Busey posted:Imagine a movie so bad even China doesn't watch it You don't have to. Check out Asura: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKmbBYiC01g It's a movie chock full of CGI and bad storytelling, a lot like the new Star Wars movies
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Apr 15, 2019 20:45
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Hairy Busey posted:Imagine a movie so bad even China doesn't watch it 
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Luke's disappearing act wasn't an off screen death, he just learned Force Teleport and will be doing it all the time to everyone's annoyance.
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sometimes its worth fighting for the things you love! but sorry we will still have to edit finn out of the chinese poster
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Jose Oquendo posted:They'll make it all back in the next year guaranteed. People are about to pay $1000 a night to stay in a hotel and pretend to be a Star Wars person. How much did it cost them to put that together? How much does it cost them to run it every day? How many people can stay there every night, and how many room nights do they have booked at '$1000 per night'? They're gonna make back billions of dollars in a year, in an industry known to have poor profit margins, capitalizing on a fan base they just pissed off and watched run away from them, on one hotel property huh? Billions?
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CharlestonJew posted:no one's ever really gone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNTLC_uiGFA
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End of Shoelace posted:sometimes its worth fighting for the things you love! And yet, hilariously, Black Panther made like 2-3 times as much money in China as The Last Jedi.
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Apr 16, 2019 01:36
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Hairy Busey posted:And yet, hilariously, Black Panther made like 2-3 times as much money in China as The Last Jedi. The Marvel franchise is massive in China, unlike Star Wars which nobody gives a greasy poo poo about. IP man in Rogue One couldn't even make Chinese fans go to the theater.
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Blistex posted:The Marvel franchise is massive in China, unlike Star Wars which nobody gives a greasy poo poo about. IP man in Rogue One couldn't even make Chinese fans go to the theater. It's really not surprising since the only exposure China had to star wars maina in the 70's was a weird comic.
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The universe and plot they created for 7 was poorly thought out and made exclusively to repeat the story of new hope. By going the direction they did they locked themselves into a dead end plot. They could’ve done anything with the IP, but Disney is a soulless corporation and creativity and passion don’t exist there.
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Apr 16, 2019 06:56
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End of Shoelace posted:sometimes its worth fighting for the things you love! He’s considered an alien monster in China, they think of him as basically a rancor.
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Apr 16, 2019 07:05
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The Skeleton King posted:The universe and plot they created for 7 was poorly thought out and made exclusively to repeat the story of new hope. By going the direction they did they locked themselves into a dead end plot. They could’ve done anything with the IP, but Disney is a soulless corporation and creativity and passion don’t exist there. Dave Filoni is doing good things as the curator for the animated shows and the upcoming Mandalorian series. Too bad those don't have nearly the reach of the movies.
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Laterite posted:Dave Filoni is doing good things as the curator for the animated shows and the upcoming Mandalorian series. Too bad those don't have nearly the reach of the movies. Yeah, while really don't care too much for the sequel trilogy, things like Rouge One, Rebels, and the Mandalorian make me hopeful that good star wars content is still a thing. And I will consume it like the lowly nerd I am. I grew up with Shadows of the Empire stuff, comics, and the Dark Forces/Jedi Knight games, so not having it in a movie format isn't a big deal for me, at least.
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Something vaguely Jedi Knight-ish wouldn't be a bad way forward. You get Han Solo smartass with the morally grey fun and the pew-pew sword and acrobatics.Moridin920 posted:If they did the Rogue Squadron books into movies they'd be having their collective genitals sucked off but instead, this. Hairy Busey posted:I hope they re-hire Lucas
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