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cochise posted:I mean it's being completely destroyed by the fire too. Yeah, but imagine the shitstorm if it was purposely destroyed vs destroyed by the fire. Not to mention air drop water isn't like precision bombing, whichever way that plane comes in it's gonna hose down everything in that path coming in and going out
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My mind is being dragged back to Brazil’s museum right now. Our negligence is destroying everything. Even the things time didn’t tear down.
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So the question now is will they just recreate it or can they resist the urge to add "modern touches" when they rebuild? Sucks that people won't get to experience seeing that drat place anymore.
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theflyingorc posted:that's why they had a hard and fast "no campfires on the roof" policy, but when you make a rule it just tempts somebody to break it somewhere fumer l'ours is loving PISSED
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We can at least hope that the vaulted ceilings hold up. Those are stone although the structure above them is timber with lead sheeting for the roof.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:This loving sucks and will be a tragedy for the history of human culture. Can’t wait for the hot takes about how this is actually a good thing because it’s an obnoxious display of religious authority or some poo poo. Yeah gently caress that noise. I'm atheist but this is a monument to human achievement built by people. I don't care what they believed. If the fire is contained to the roof things could be worse, the central spire wasn't even 100 years old. There's people alive who remember it being built. The original survived 500 years but was so decrepit it was torn down in 1786. The one that just collapsed was a re-creation. The biggest problem is the building is so loving big they can't get to the fire at all. They may have to either risk lives by running hoses to the still-standing roof to fight the fire over the cathedral or let it burn itself out.
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theflyingorc posted:Wow that a bunch of the wood was still original The oldest surviving wooden structures are in Nara, Japan and date back to 700. This kind of thing is rare, especially since you wind up in a ship of Theseus situation, but there are a few extremely old wooden buildings out there.
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Generic American posted:Literally beyond parody Yeah let's just put garbage into orbit for shits and giggles, nothing could go wrong
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Doctor Butts posted:We don't know what caused it yet. Right, assumption and all that, but still It'd be like if St. Paul's Cathedral burned down during renovation work, or if the Genbaku Dome got taken out by a bulldozer accidentally left in gear. EDIT: It's a wondrous piece of human architecture and a monument to human engineering that may end up being a pile of ashes and charred stone when all is said and done. It's pretty depressing.
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Has anybody said, "Watch Macron start a loving war!" yet?
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Random Stranger posted:The oldest surviving wooden structures are in Nara, Japan and date back to 700. This kind of thing is rare, especially since you wind up in a ship of Theseus situation, but there are a few extremely old wooden buildings out there. I remain of the opinion that it is the same ship. Notre Dame isn’t gone unless they wipe away every trace and then what’s left is the Original Site of Notre Dame still. That doesn’t make any of this less depressing. At least no injured, that’s all that’s good.
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FilthyImp posted:So the question now is will they just recreate it or can they resist the urge to add "modern touches" when they rebuild? Unless that modern touch is a sprinkler system in which case add-away. What a loving tragic fire. All we can hope for now is that the "no deaths" holds.
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Well gently caress, this is a tragedy.
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a religious icon destroyed due to a poorly-planned attempt to restore it, you say? gentlemen, I believe we have our suspect 
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Noise Complaint posted:You're talking nearly 1000 year old lumber that was probably soaked in pine pitch or something to preserve it. The lumber in that place was a match waiting to go up. Which makes it even more amazing it lasted this long, survived English invasions, two world wars, Nazi occupation, and like a half dozen revolutions and street battles. Props to the original architects and engineers.
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Harik posted:Yeah gently caress that noise. I'm atheist but this is a monument to human achievement built by people. I don't care what they believed. The building was built to educate illiterate people through art. Granted it was the Bible and to only the benefit of the Catholic church, but seeing the Last Judgement in person is really loving something. The inside was overwhelming.
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CPColin posted:Has anybody said, "Watch Macron start a loving war!" yet? In the GBS thread on the first page.
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Noise Complaint posted:The building was built to educate illiterate people through art. Granted it was the Bible and to only the benefit of the Catholic church, but seeing the Last Judgement in person is really loving something. The inside was overwhelming. There should be pretty strong digital records of everything, maybe it will be replicable.
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:It's just odd to me that a major world landmark can just..burn down in 2019. 1819? Sure. It's really not odd at all. Carelessness transcends time and fame. CPColin posted:Has anybody said, "Watch Macron start a loving war!" yet? No, but I'm looking forward to the dumbass comment he's gonna have about it.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:There should be pretty strong digital records of everything, maybe it will be replicable. yeah, who needs timeless monuments when you can just pay $5 for a tour on your smartphone vr headset, right
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SocketWrench posted:What the gently caress?! The most Godly President of all time truly sees himself in the story of a man who overcame the adversity of *checks notes* repeatedly cheating on his wife.
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https://twitter.com/velocciraptor/status/1117852682088112128?s=20Hieronymous Alloy posted:There should be pretty strong digital records of everything, maybe it will be replicable. yeah I can’t imagine they didn’t go through the effort of imaging the entire structure to aid in preservation
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Kerning Chameleon posted:yeah, who needs timeless monuments when you can just pay $5 for a tour on your smartphone vr headset, right i don't think that was what this poster was suggesting. maybe cool it.
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Generic American posted:Literally beyond parody   gently caress gently caress gently caress now I'm tearing up again why would you post thiscatch a riiiiiiiiiiiiidee......
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Generic American posted:Literally beyond parody lolk capitalism is going to cause Kessler syndrome. Like remember when some artist sent a discoball up into low orbit without telling space agencies or most importantly, hobbyist astronomers and legit astronomers about it? Hope that dude got a relatively painless death.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:There should be pretty strong digital records of everything, maybe it will be replicable. if there isn't a slipped in dong somewhere, the French are dead to me
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Doctor Butts posted:We don't know what caused it yet. This. I live in Pittsburgh and a construction crew managed to set a concrete and steel bridge on fire and it nearly collapsed. poo poo happens.
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Last time I was Europe I visited the restoration of a church/cathedral. I think it might have been the Old Kirk in Amsterdam? I remember reading that they digitally scanned the entire thing to the point that they could reproduce 1:1 textures on a 3D model. You still lose the unknowables though, the stuff that gets lost in time. Like the Viking graffiti in the Hagia Sophia that was found not too long ago.
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Demon Of The Fall posted:if there isn't a slipped in dong somewhere, the French are dead to me 
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Solaris 2.0 posted:Which makes it even more amazing it lasted this long, survived English invasions, two world wars, Nazi occupation, and like a half dozen revolutions and street battles. When the Nazis got pushed out of Paris, Hitler ordered the general in charge to demolish the Eiffel Tower and the Notre Dame on on the way out and he refused So it was a near-run thing, as they say.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:There should be pretty strong digital records of everything, maybe it will be replicable. As a series of Google©™® Photo©™® Spheres©™®
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Kerning Chameleon posted:yeah, who needs timeless monuments when you can just pay $5 for a tour on your smartphone vr headset, right Pretty sure HA was referring to physical recreations of anything lost. I saw a lot of those in Korea since Japan in WW2 basically razed everything even remotely approaching historic significance. When well done you'd never know, and for something like Notre Dame it will be exceptionally well done.
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Generic American posted:Literally beyond parody This is probably the single-most tempting target existing in space and if someone doesn't hack it to goatse the entire planet I've officially lost faith in humanity.
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Shifty Pony posted:Pretty sure HA was referring to physical recreations of anything lost. is there actually a point in rebuilding the cathedral if enough of it is a pile of charcoal, glass shards, and rocks aside from the tourism value, after a certain point it just makes more economic sense to just bulldoze the remains and build something more useful to modern society (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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In other news the MAGAbomber is in front of a judge arguing that he didn't really mean to plead guilty. https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1117856575438245889?s=19
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