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Alhazred posted:We don't really know why magic is returning though. It’s implied in the books that it’s the comet. but that’s never brought up in the show sooo....
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The warlock guy says straight up that magic is returning because of the Dragons being born
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Apr 16, 2019 19:50
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Sodomy Hussein posted:Basically Martin has written himself into a quagmire around an entirely new set of characters revolving around the Golden Company in the books, whereas in the show they barely matter/don't exist. Related to that, the show basically clown-car'd the entire Dorne plot into "ok whatever they're all dead now" while that shows no signs of slowing down in the books either. I think this is more the cause of the delay than Martin not working on the books. It lines up with what he's said about the plan for a 5-year time jump in the narrative that he couldn't make work. Like, you can look at the crazy videos by Preston Jacobs, and a lot of them are based on "Well, this character/house/faction should be focusing on this goal, but instead they're working against it. That means there must be a conspiracy at work!" But the real reason tertiary characters sometimes don't act the way they should is the books have sprawled beyond Martin's control.
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Mywhatacleanturtle posted:It’s implied in the books that it’s the comet. but that’s never brought up in the show sooo.... That appears in the show; but its significance is vague. Osha claims it’s about dragons. Red fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Apr 16, 2019 |
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Apr 16, 2019 19:56
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Mywhatacleanturtle posted:It’s implied in the books that it’s the comet. but that’s never brought up in the show sooo.... Let's be fair that would be dumb as
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Away all Goats posted:The warlock guy says straight up that magic is returning because of the Dragons being born He says the dragons make him stronger, but the white walkers were moving south years before they were hatched. Something also caused them to hatch after being fossils for hundreds of years, and made Daenerys the fulfillment of the family prophecy about being fireproof (although maybe she wasn’t fireproof until the dragons were ready to hatch).
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Apr 16, 2019 20:12
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This first time she is introduced they mention that she likes to take baths in near boiling water, so I assume she was born that way.
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Apr 16, 2019 20:16
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precision posted:Let's be fair that would be dumb as Comets being associated with bad omens and magic is a pretty common fantasy/historically real panicky thing
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:He says the dragons make him stronger, but the white walkers were moving south years before they were hatched. Something also caused them to hatch after being fossils for hundreds of years, and made Daenerys the fulfillment of the family prophecy about being fireproof (although maybe she wasn’t fireproof until the dragons were ready to hatch). I imagine it's entirely possible we'll see Bran exposition dumb all of this but I think ultimately the answer is 'this is the time of destiny'. Rhaegar reads a bunch of books and decides that he's living in the time of prophecy. Then something makes him realise that it's his children's generation specifically that will live in the time of prophecy. The dragons come first, then the comet shows up. Causality is problematic because it's been established that the main players on both 'magical sides' have the ability to see through time and space and even do a bit of meddling. Why is the Night King marching south? Because he knows he's going to be able to get a dragon and breach the wall.
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Zaphod42 posted:Between star wars, marvel, game of thrones, and every other fantasy IP, I am all the way fed up with folks excusing lazy writing or lovely cinematography and just accepting whatever bullshit they're spoon fed as-is with zero thought. Okay, while I agree with some of your other posts, the irony here is a bit much. CinemaSins is the epitome of "bad at consuming media" and criticism without using one's brain, being based on superficial, thoughtless once-overs of movies (the scripts are written as the movie is being watched, and apparently go unedited given how often an early complaint is contradicted or invalidated by later events in the movie, or the inverse where they complain that the movie didn't do something it actually already did (which they might have also complained about even!), etc), not knowing anything about... Anything (complaining about Moana "making up" stuff that was actually based on real Polynesian myth, complaining about there still being dirtiness and poverty in Blade Runner because apparently they don't understand the central concept of cyberpunk), and sometimes outright lying (cutting clips so they can complain that a film doesn't do a thing it did literally seconds before the edited clip). People can enjoy it if they want; I'm a fan of a lot of "bad" media myself, Game of Thrones arguably included. But complaining about lazy writing and people accepting things with zero thought, then defending CinemaSins in the same post, is kind of ridiculous. Is CinemaSins too lovely to criticize or something? Are you just taking positions to be contrary even if they contradict each other ("stop defending bad writing" vs "don't criticize CinemaSins's bad writing")? I mean, I said it already, but CinemaSins really is exactly what you're complaining about here; they complain every time a movie exposits at them as if they feel patronized, yet also are so terrible at even the most basic analysis that they miss obvious things and complain about things not being explained. One time (at least) they even complained about exposition, then in that same review complained about something being unexplained... That was literally, explicitly stated in the exposition they made such a big deal about and which they gave it a "sin" for literally minutes prior. They're so perfectly wrong, dishonest, or hypocritical that it almost feels deliberate at times, except then you see everything else they do and realize they're entirely sincere, or at least not trying to be bad. Really, not trying, or at least not trying to do anything other than shovel out as many videos as they can and pad their runtime with endless nitpicks, even if they have to literally make things up to complain about, is their biggest problem. CinemaSins, more than anything else, is just lazy, both as analysis and as comedy; despite your defense of it, you can actually put some effort into things that are "for fun". It usually makes them a lot better, in fact, while just churning out whatever because you are aiming for quantity over quality is generally regarded poorly. One nice thing I can say about them, their format does work well for highlighting how lovely things can be and making fun of them for it. Opferwurst posted:IRC it was heavily implied that the Maesters were slowly poisoning the dragons and that's why they died out. Really? Huh. Never read the books, but I actually assumed it was incest. Not even joking; it seemed like a mirror to the Targaryens themselves, with rampant inbreeding resulting in increasingly weak, sickly, and twisted dragons alongside the tangled family tree that eventually produced the Mad King, both getting Habsburg'd into near-extinction. Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Apr 16, 2019 |
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precision posted:Let's be fair that would be dumb as not really imo
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Roland Jones posted:Really? Huh. Never read the books, but I actually assumed it was incest. Not even joking; it seemed like a mirror to the Targaryens themselves, with rampant inbreeding resulting in increasingly weak, sickly, and twisted dragons alongside the tangled family tree that eventually produced the Mad King, both getting Habsburg'd into near-extinction. I think it may have also have had to do with them being penned in. Like how Viserion and Rhaegal are both smaller than Drogon on the show.
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Most of the dragons were killed in a Targ vs Targ civil war, fighting other dragons. A bunch more were killed in the war when Kings Landing rose up, stormed the dragon pit and collapsed it on the dragons there. After that there was only a few hatchlings and a couple of crippled dragons. Mysteriously all the hatchlings stopped growing, grew sick and died over the next few decades.
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nooneofconsequence posted:The whole season is just reunions for fans to jerk off to.
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Apr 16, 2019 20:44
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LividLiquid posted:And I love it.  And if nothing else, this season gave Gwendolyn Christie an excuse to wear this dress: 
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Apr 16, 2019 20:57
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Sodomy Hussein posted:Dany has been the worst most unbearable character with the worst plot from the beginning Yeah she has been pretty lame for a long time now, she was an interesting wildcard at best in the beginning and since was wasted dragging her heels at best cause dude wrote himself in a wall with the entire story. He has no idea how to finish all the unnecessary Dany poo poo he wrote himself in circles around because he wasn’t ready to bring out the endgame yet. Westeros and Danyland could almost be 2 completely different series.
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Mywhatacleanturtle posted:It’s implied in the books that it’s the comet. but that’s never brought up in the show sooo.... Yeah right? The loving comet, lol. I would even be happy if the comet just hit right as the fight starts and blows up the planet. Just end it already.
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It wouldn't surprise me if the problem the people have with the show is exactly the same reason GRRM is having problems finishing the books. The series made its bones being steeped in political intrigue and subverting genre expectations, but having everything build to grand apocalyptic battle with an unknowable and external existential threat is not conducive to either. There is no bargaining, backstabbing, or politicking with the white walkers, so they are boring rear end villains.
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Lol watching s1e1 -Mark Addy headlining -Tiny Bran -Tiny Sansa (or normal height Sansa?) -there are dire wolves in this show?? Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Apr 16, 2019 |
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Apr 16, 2019 21:15
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OTOH the series has kinda always been about Westerosi politics slowly but surely having the veneer of anything but brute force mattering slip away, as more and more the ultimate answer to problems is just war and killing while people who try to find other ways get offed or succumb to the lure of just murdering your problems away. So having it all culminate in an apocalyptic force of unstoppable and relentless violence there's no coming back from feels thematically appropriate.
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fishing with the fam posted:It wouldn't surprise me if the problem the people have with the show is exactly the same reason GRRM is having problems finishing the books. The series made its bones being steeped in political intrigue and subverting genre expectations, but having everything build to grand apocalyptic battle with an unknowable and external existential threat is not conducive to either. There is no bargaining, backstabbing, or politicking with the white walkers, so they are boring rear end villains. Concur. I think that Gurm is also hamstrung by assuming Westeros doesn't end when his books do which means new powers rising now even if they don't tie into the current conflict. The show can just ignore that poo poo
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Is there still a spinoff series being developed, or has waning enthusiasm for last/this season killed it?
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^^^ You realise how many people are watching this season, right?Crow Jane posted:
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Is there still a spinoff series being developed, or has waning enthusiasm for last/this season killed it? Waning enthusiasm?
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Dazerbeams posted:What happened to Ghost? He's hanging out offscreen with Ilyn payne
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Like seriously, there's been one episode and this thread is already 33 pages long
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Is there still a spinoff series being developed, or has waning enthusiasm for last/this season killed it? I mean you say waning enthusiasm, it's still pretty much the most popular show on tv by a wide margin.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Is there still a spinoff series being developed, or has waning enthusiasm for last/this season killed it? I figured any spin off attempt would be killed less by lack of enthusiasm and more Rome-style "oh god do you know how much it costs to produce this poo poo."
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fishing with the fam posted:It wouldn't surprise me if the problem the people have with the show is exactly the same reason GRRM is having problems finishing the books. The series made its bones being steeped in political intrigue and subverting genre expectations, but having everything build to grand apocalyptic battle with an unknowable and external existential threat is not conducive to either. There is no bargaining, backstabbing, or politicking with the white walkers, so they are boring rear end villains. e: apocalyptic thinking was really prevalent in the medieval era and it motivated a lot of actions. the crusades for example. so it is helpful to have a fantasy analogue. but it's almost always better for it not to be straightforwardly resolved. Zane fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Apr 16, 2019 |
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Sydin posted:I figured any spin off attempt would be killed less by lack of enthusiasm and more Rome-style "oh god do you know how much it costs to produce this poo poo." How much money does it make though? Especially since the spinoff could probably drop having cgi dragons and poo poo.
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PostNouveau posted:I'm happy to get closure for the main characters and the big plot from the show. Are you kidding me? The show characters are a lovely fanfic of an even shittier fanfic someone wrote about the show. You really think Cercei will end up sitting on the Iron throne? Or that the Others will turn out to be generic evil comic book ice elves #259 with no motivation? Or that Littlefinger will be dicking around in Wintefell for a year, do nothing and then be killed by Arya in the dumbest possible scene? That Danny or Jon will turn out to be the Arthurian heroes of the story? None of the characters even had any kind of real, sensible character development since the show left the books behind. It's all just a garbled mess e: gently caress, I signed my post GABA ghoul fucked around with this message at 21:39 on Apr 16, 2019 |
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Apr 16, 2019 21:37
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Uh haven't they already started casting the prequel series
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Opferwurst posted:Are you kidding me? The show characters are a lovely fanfic of an even shittier fanfic someone wrote about the show. You really think Cercei will end up sitting on the Iron throne? Or that the Others will turn out to be generic evil comic book ice elves #259 with no motivation? Or that Littlefinger will be dicking around in Wintefell for a year, do nothing and then be killed by Arya in the dumbest possible scene? That Danny or Jon will turn out to be the Arthurian heroes of the story? None of the characters even had any kind of real, sensible character development since the show left the books behind. It's all just a garbled mess lmfao
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This is a couple years old but apparently Both Rome and GoT cost ~$10M an episode on average. That said GoT is far, far more popular so it's probably much better at justifying its cost. Also didn't the Targs have dragons around all the way up till the very end, even if the last handful were pitifully small and weak? Granted I'm sure the occasional shot of baby CGI dragons in a pit somewhere is probably cheaper than How to Train Your Dragon sex scenes. Or maybe you set it in Essos and don't need any of that poo poo period.
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Sydin posted:This is a couple years old but apparently Both Rome and GoT cost ~$10M an episode on average. That said GoT is far, far more popular so it's probably much better at justifying its cost. The dragons died out about 100 years before the show. Not having dragons was a sore spot for the fanily and they kept trying to get new ones to hatch. Or worse. Danny's father became king when his grand(?)dad burned down the summer palace with himself inside of it trying to use magic to either birth a dragon or turn Rhegar into a dragon at his birth. A prince went nuts and tried to turn himself into a dragon by drinking wildfire. Xae fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Apr 16, 2019 |
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Is there still a spinoff series being developed, or has waning enthusiasm for last/this season killed it? It was so much traffic on HBO Nordic on monday that the site crashed.
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Sydin posted:This is a couple years old but apparently Both Rome and GoT cost ~$10M an episode on average. That said GoT is far, far more popular so it's probably much better at justifying its cost. The spin off show is set thousands of years before asoiaf AFAIK. there were no dragons in Westeros, but a shitton of other stuff they can blow their CGI load on like rideable spiders, snarks and grumpkins(whatever the gently caress that is) In any case, they are making mad money with this show and have been begging the show runners to do another season, but everyone associated with the actual production of this tire fire wants it to just be over cause they are burned out
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Opferwurst posted:You really think Cercei will end up sitting on the Iron throne? Or that the Others will turn out to be generic evil comic book ice elves #259 with no motivation? Or that Littlefinger will be dicking around in Wintefell for a year, do nothing and then be killed by Arya in the dumbest possible scene? That Danny or Jon will turn out to be the Arthurian heroes of the story? No because he's never going to finish the books.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:, or has waning enthusiasm for last/this season killed it? The episode's viewership was record-breaking, and GoT terms dominated Twitter trending Sunday night. Surely signs of waning interest.
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