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ThePeavstenator posted:100% of people that have died also have come into contact with oxygen during their lifetime. Turns out that not allowing players to be drafted until 3 years after high school makes everyone go to the only other game in town. I don't think anyone ITT is claiming that the NCAA is a particularly good or effective developmental league, just that it is the de facto developmental league for the NFL, and as long as it exists in its current form, there's no room for another one.
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ThePeavstenator posted:Turns out that not allowing players to be drafted until 3 years after high school makes everyone go to the only other game in town. Where did I argue that the NCAA is good, or even the best idea for a developmental league?
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There's a lot of bad things about the NFL but not allowing people straight out of high school into the league is extremely good for the players own safety
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a neat cape posted:Also college football is great and I like watching it  It's not a good system for the players but drat if I'm not emotionally invested in it anyway
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 a neat cape posted:Tribalism is awesome. My undergrad's FCS team was so bad and unpopular the school disbanded it a while back lol. And my other teams are Colorado State via my wife and UMass from my sister so uh yeah I don't have much to root for on Saturdays. That's actually a big part of why I'm bummed the AAF crashed and burned. It was cool to have a team in another league to follow since I don't have that NCAAF tribal allegiance at all.
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GD_American posted:What in the loving world is your criteria for a developmental league The fact that the college game has no vested interest in preparing players for the professional game (in "developing" them, so to speak) is a pretty big disqualifier.
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General Dog posted:The fact that the college game has no vested interest in preparing players for the professional game (in "developing" them, so to speak) is a pretty big disqualifier. Of course they do. Elite recruits eyeing a career in the NFL favor programs that have success at sending players to the NFL. If you want the most talented athletes to come play for you, you have to be able to say you'll prepare them to go to the next level. Likewise this talk about players being shoehorned into whatever scheme their school uses rather than whatever suits them best... do you guys think colleges aren't out there looking to bring in the guys who fit best in their scheme? Or that it's not a big part of a player's decision to go to a particular school? They're out there showing recruits game film all the time like this is how we want to use you, you're tailor-made for this role and you're really going to show out, yada yada yada.
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Thermos H Christ posted:Of course they do. Elite recruits eyeing a career in the NFL favor programs that have success at sending players to the NFL. If you want the most talented athletes to come play for you, you have to be able to say you'll prepare them to go to the next level. Likewise this talk about players being shoehorned into whatever scheme their school uses rather than whatever suits them best... do you guys think colleges aren't out there looking to bring in the guys who fit best in their scheme? Or that it's not a big part of a player's decision to go to a particular school? They're out there showing recruits game film all the time like this is how we want to use you, you're tailor-made for this role and you're really going to show out, yada yada yada. Imagine I put up a video here of Tim Tebow's throwing mechanics.
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Imagine I put up a video here of Tim Tebow's throwing mechanics. Or that I listed all of the Ohio State quarterbacks ever.
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All non-Palmer USC quarterbacks. All non-Rodgers Tedford quarterbacks. Geno Smith. EJ Manuel.
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General Dog posted:The fact that the college game has no vested interest in preparing players for the professional game (in "developing" them, so to speak) is a pretty big disqualifier. So because they don’t meet your platonic ideal of a developmental league, it doesn’t matter that over 99% of NFL players came from the NCAA? Wow. Better make some calls, then
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The living doesn't qualify as a developmental league for cemeteries
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GD_American posted:So because they don’t meet your platonic ideal of a developmental league, it doesn’t matter that over 99% of NFL players came from the NCAA? You're getting this backwards, NFL players come from the NCAA because it's the only option.
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Every other development league in every other sport can move players up and down as needed. Given that they all have it, that implies to me that that is part of the definition of a development league. College, at best, is a prep league, which I would say is a distinct type of league.
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Capitalism is loving gross lmao. Even the abstract notion of your labor can be held as collateral by the company that's loving you up the rear end and leaving you in limbo
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a neat cape posted:You don't have to go to college. You just have to be three years removed from high school graduation And there's the rub right there. The NCAA is the only place to spend those years and keep getting better at football. In a true developmental league those players would make even more progress on their skills, plus they'd be earning money for themselves and their families. It would also give them a strong taste of what being in the NFL would be like and develop their professionalism Here's a problem I see: there are so many schools with football teams. The college system is the only one that can handle THAT many players. So if anything, the developmental league would take only the best players, leaving a ton of players left out without the NCAA. I'm not positive that would even be better. Another issue is that I actually do think that college classes have value and that it's important to educate players on things other than football. It's a shame that education is directly linked to indentured servitude sweet thursday posted:Capitalism is loving gross lmao. Even the abstract notion of your labor can be held as collateral by the company that's loving you up the rear end and leaving you in limbo I feel like that couldn't stand up in court. Right? I mean if you're not paying them as per the contract then that contract is voided.
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Play posted:I feel like that couldn't stand up in court. Right? I mean if you're not paying them as per the contract then that contract is voided. It won't, but they know that the players aren't going to challenge it because they can't afford to go against high powered lawyers.
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waah posted:It won't, but they know that the players aren't going to challenge it because they can't afford to go against high powered lawyers. What about those that signed with NFL teams? And couldn't the CFL lead a class action suit?
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Flikken posted:What about those that signed with NFL teams? They had outs in their clauses to sign with NFL teams. It'd be cool if the NFL signed a pile of guys for 0 dollar signing bonuses and then cut them a week later but.
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Flikken posted:What about those that signed with NFL teams? the guys signing with nfl teams are getting paid the absolute minimum and even if they survive they cutdown to 53 (they won't) that's probably still not enough to afford the needed legal help
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ThePeavstenator posted:You're getting this backwards, NFL players come from the NCAA because it's the only option. That. Is. My. Point. Which. I. Have. Been. Making. All. Along. Sash! posted:Every other development league in every other sport can move players up and down as needed. Given that they all have it, that implies to me that that is part of the definition of a development league. College, at best, is a prep league, which I would say is a distinct type of league. This is a pretty good argument, but by default it's the only developmental league that's existed since NFL Europe.
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Flikken posted:What about those that signed with NFL teams? The CFL isn’t flush with cash. IIRC most teams don’t make much of a profit, but that could be artful accounting and not real money.
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I’m just glad the NFL will finally get a proper minor league once the XFL hits.
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Play posted:And there's the rub right there. The NCAA is the only place to spend those years and keep getting better at football. In a true developmental league those players would make even more progress on their skills, plus they'd be earning money for themselves and their families. It would also give them a strong taste of what being in the NFL would be like and develop their professionalism There's also a lot of guys who look so so when going into college who grow into great players. It takes a system as big as NCAA football to find those guys. A developmental league is going to a lot less patient.
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Happy week 10 everyone, last scheduled Saturday of the first regular season 
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Still bummed gently caress dundon
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WEH posted:Still bummed gently caress dundon
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WEH posted:Still bummed gently caress dundon It's why I'm so glad the Hurricanes are getting stomped even though I normally hope they pull something out.
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waah posted:It's why I'm so glad the Hurricanes are getting stomped even though I normally hope they pull something out. The Hurricanes are the only Carolina-based team I don't follow, so I feel less bad rooting against them now.
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WEH posted:Still bummed gently caress dundon I legit really enjoyed the AAF
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Morby posted:I legit really enjoyed the AAF Yeah, I did too in some perverse way. Guess my favorite part were the pace of the games.
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C-Bangin' it 
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Got my shirt, hat, and Justin Thomas jersey on the way hellyeah
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My shirt got here but its made for a dude with like 100 lbs on me. I'm either gonna give it to my girlfriend to wear as a dress or hang it up somewhere
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