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Risotto really did get robbed hard, probably worse than anyone else in the series. That fight was absolutely his and then he just gets mirked out of nowhere because the Boss is apparent 'aphixiating' despite being conscious and able to carry a conversation. He did deserve way better.
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That fight was fuckin gnarly.
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Hiro Protagonist posted:absentee father who DOESN'T support his family financially To be fair, this is literally what Jotaro was in Morioh to take care of.
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Apr 20, 2019 00:29
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i was rooting for doppio because everything about Metallica is a hosed up thing to have happen to you also this is where it gets noted that the lil face on King Crimson is called Epitaph (the change to Eulogy is really good) and that's what allows The Boss to erase the next ten seconds without being totally confused himself (there is almost def spoilers in these comments so just dont read them) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFsqacN1ZCY
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=44&v=8P_GKUh4I_s comedyblissoption fucked around with this message at 03:23 on Apr 20, 2019 |
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Apr 20, 2019 03:00
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multijoe posted:Risotto really did get robbed hard, probably worse than anyone else in the series. That fight was absolutely his and then he just gets mirked out of nowhere because the Boss is apparent 'aphixiating' despite being conscious and able to carry a conversation. comedyblissoption fucked around with this message at 03:24 on Apr 20, 2019 |
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Apr 20, 2019 03:19
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Gold Experience is a pretty hard counter to Metallica. Hard to see how Risotto would have had much luck against Bruno's bambinos.
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Apr 20, 2019 03:56
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If he could figure out a way around Aerosmith, he'd have a pretty good chance of taking someone out. Assuming Giorno couldn't turn a scalpel or scissors back into the iron they need for their blood.
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Apr 20, 2019 04:15
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He could turn it into blood probably. Or something to eat for iron and ignore how long it takes for bloodcells to be made.
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Apr 20, 2019 04:18
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ChaseSP posted:He could turn it into blood probably. Or something to eat for iron and ignore how long it takes for bloodcells to be made. Giorno: I knew there was an iron vein beneath this spot so I turned the ground into snakes that would push it to the surface so I could eat it Risotto: Curses! That Giorno is too brilliant
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Apr 20, 2019 04:32
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Tetracube posted:Giorno: I knew there was an iron vein beneath this spot so I turned the ground into snakes that would push it to the surface so I could eat it
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Apr 20, 2019 05:10
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"You are already complete" is such a bizarre translation. He's saying "You are already finished"
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Apr 20, 2019 05:23
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Obviously he treats assassination like art. Or perhaps a well cooked meal.
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Apr 20, 2019 05:25
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So uh, how does the boss stop suffocating to death again? Does he just start shoveling gravel into his mouth to get the iron back in his blood or something?
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Apr 20, 2019 05:25
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perhaps tuning in to next week's episode of
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AnEdgelord posted:So uh, how does the boss stop suffocating to death again? Does he just start shoveling gravel into his mouth to get the iron back in his blood or something? The easiest cop-out would be that "The stand user is dead so all their stand effects revert to normal," even though that really shouldn't make sense in this scenario.
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 This shot loving rules goddamn David delivered once again, absolutely amazing adaptation of one of my favorite fights from this part. Augus fucked around with this message at 05:38 on Apr 20, 2019 |
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Apr 20, 2019 05:36
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The scenes of Doppio being brutalized were really well done.
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Apr 20, 2019 05:37
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Augus posted:"You are already complete" is such a bizarre translation. He's saying "You are already finished" Good to see Crunchyroll still hasn't sprung for decent translators.
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ChaseSP posted:He could turn it into blood probably. Or something to eat for iron and ignore how long it takes for bloodcells to be made. Tetracube posted:Giorno: I knew there was an iron vein beneath this spot so I turned the ground into snakes that would push it to the surface so I could eat it Funky Valentine posted:Abbachio: Giorno your power is so loving stupid. I loving hate you so much stop using it. Yeah, this sounds like something that'd happen. lightrook posted:The easiest cop-out would be that "The stand user is dead so all their stand effects revert to normal," even though that really shouldn't make sense in this scenario. The iron in his blood being gone, while caused by Metallica, is not really an effect of Metallica. If that makes sense.
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Re: Risotto/Metallica: https://twitter.com/eliyudin/status/897866437028700165?s=21
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multijoe posted:Risotto really did get robbed hard, probably worse than anyone else in the series. That fight was absolutely his and then he just gets mirked out of nowhere because the Boss is apparent 'aphixiating' despite being conscious and able to carry a conversation. I'm pretty sure Aerosmith detects breathing by exhaling CO2 so if Doppio's blood was so iron deficient it couldn't actually participate in the whole breathing thing it would totally hide him on the radar. His lungs and vocal chords would work but the same air moving in and out unchanged wouldn't register. He also should have blacked out in 20 or 30 seconds from lack of oxygen but, JoJo logic.
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Apr 20, 2019 06:49
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there is also not enough iron in the human body to make nearly any of that poo poo that risotto did but that would not have been nearly as interesting so im okay with a fudging of the rules again, the comparison of araki being a DM for the tabletop game his characters all play and tweaks some dice rolls when an idea they have would be super cool works well
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Expect My Mom posted:there is also not enough iron in the human body to make nearly any of that poo poo that risotto did but that would not have been nearly as interesting so im okay with a fudging of the rules I would just assume, that Metallica causes the small amounts of Iron to become larger for its effect. Cause it's cool. Also I missed the first time that the reason Aerosmith got involved was because the Boss threw the scalpels at Bucciarati.
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Darth Walrus posted:Gold Experience is a pretty hard counter to Metallica. Hard to see how Risotto would have had much luck against Bruno's bambinos. And having already lost most of his blood, Bruno is also a hard counter to Metallica
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Bruno could also just zip himself open and pull out any scissors or razor blades without further hurting himself.
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Apr 20, 2019 09:28
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If Risotto killed the Boss, he'd no longer have any reason to immediately challenge Bruno's crew. He could just pick them off whenever he felt like it. Hell, pretty much anyone on the assassination team could have killed the protagonists if they didn't have to worry about obtaining information or making sure they didn't accidentally kill Trish. The assassination team is loving terrifying, is what I'm getting at.
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Mimesweeper posted:I'm pretty sure Aerosmith detects breathing by exhaling CO2 so if Doppio's blood was so iron deficient it couldn't actually participate in the whole breathing thing it would totally hide him on the radar. His lungs and vocal chords would work but the same air moving in and out unchanged wouldn't register. That's my point, if his blood really was so hosed it couldn't carry out respiration then he should be suffocating to death, not mildly tuckered out. Araki takes some creative liberties but there's usually a credible concept behind whatever bullshit his characters are pulling, or if they fail it is because they actually hosed up and left an opening to be exploited. Risotto's plays his hand perfectly and doesn't slip up at all once he figures out Epitaph's power and then just has to lose anyway because he's fighting the arc villain, it's deeply unsatisfying.
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multijoe posted:That's my point, if his blood really was so hosed it couldn't carry out respiration then he should be suffocating to death, not mildly tuckered out. Araki takes some creative liberties but there's usually a credible concept behind whatever bullshit his characters are pulling, or if they fail it is because they actually hosed up and left an opening to be exploited. Risotto's plays his hand perfectly and doesn't slip up at all once he figures out Epitaph's power and then just has to lose anyway because he's fighting the arc villain, it's deeply unsatisfying. It wasn't a perfect play. Bruno's gang were a known quantity from quite early on in the fight, and he got tunnel-vision.
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:Good to see Crunchyroll still hasn't sprung for decent translators. Perhaps you would like to be the dude facing those deadlines
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multijoe posted:That's my point, if his blood really was so hosed it couldn't carry out respiration then he should be suffocating to death, not mildly tuckered out. Araki takes some creative liberties but there's usually a credible concept behind whatever bullshit his characters are pulling, or if they fail it is because they actually hosed up and left an opening to be exploited. Risotto's plays his hand perfectly and doesn't slip up at all once he figures out Epitaph's power and then just has to lose anyway because he's fighting the arc villain, it's deeply unsatisfying. Risotto gut buffs and debuffs in the fight. There’s not enough iron in your blood to produce one razor blade, much less scissors, nails, and more. So his ability was buffed. But asphyxiation got nerfed in response cause the boss going unconscious super quick is just as unsatisfying as if risotto’s power was realistic Further the asphyxiation not being as effective as it should be carries over from a long line of jojo stuff. If we were keeping realistic, all the stardust crusaders would be crippled by time they reached dio. Also jotaro would’ve lost after he got his bones wrecked near the end of the fight with dio (if you ignore a knife going into jotaro’s head and definitely not being stopped enough by a book to keep him in fighting condition) Condiv fucked around with this message at 14:27 on Apr 20, 2019 |
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multijoe posted:That's my point, if his blood really was so hosed it couldn't carry out respiration then he should be suffocating to death, not mildly tuckered out. Araki takes some creative liberties but there's usually a credible concept behind whatever bullshit his characters are pulling, or if they fail it is because they actually hosed up and left an opening to be exploited. Risotto's plays his hand perfectly and doesn't slip up at all once he figures out Epitaph's power and then just has to lose anyway because he's fighting the arc villain, it's deeply unsatisfying. Risotto speaks a lot about "failure equals death" and all that but in the moment he becomes obsessed with revenge ("I cant wait to see your true face when you die") that he thinks hes already won Expect My Mom fucked around with this message at 14:40 on Apr 20, 2019 |
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risotto could have just absolutely pasted doppio at any point if he really wanted to but the idiot dragged it out
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Doppio had resolve. Risotto was a terrible leader and sent his crew to pointless deaths.
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Expect My Mom posted:there is also not enough iron in the human body to make nearly any of that poo poo that risotto did but that would not have been nearly as interesting so im okay with a fudging of the rules There's probably not enough iron in the human body to be affected by magnetism, but that ain't stop Erik.
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The not dying super fast from asphyxiation stuff can also be explained by JoJo time lasting longer than real time and dialogue being a free action. Also asphyxiation doesn't mean you can't use your stand to do poo poo.Johnny Joestar posted:risotto could have just absolutely pasted doppio at any point if he really wanted to but the idiot dragged it out
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There's also Doppio saying that the future he sees will happen in a few seconds and then spending like a minute arguing with the Boss about it Also what? Risotto knew that Doppio was the Boss, that's what his whole speech about 16th century germany and multiple personalities about it. It's what "I can't wait to see your true face" was about. He sees this complete stranger acting incredibly weird in this out of the way but important place who can see Stands and puts it together. There was no info that Risotto thought Doppio had, he just wanted him dead
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I think he wanted to interrogate Doppio at first, since he mentions he thought he was just a high-ranking operative, but when he realizes he's The Boss he starts making his attacks purposefully more lethal. Granted, he did try to cut open his throat with scissors before that point, so 
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He also thought Doppio was just a chump before he miraculously ripped out the scissors which were immediately about to cut his throat which made Risotto much more interested in him. E: Also I have not seen enough love for this piece of animation yet. https://gfycat.com/sizzlingdefinitiveerne Cause that's some good rage animation. ChaseSP fucked around with this message at 18:57 on Apr 20, 2019 |
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Waffleman_ posted:There's probably not enough iron in the human body to be affected by magnetism, but that ain't stop Erik. In that case they actually loaded that dude's body with extra iron.
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