|
I can't listen to Jordan Peterson without thinking of this video, which means every time I hear him speak I'm expecting him have an existential episode and then psychologically fracture into autonomous, mutually hostile fragments of id intent on consuming themselves. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB6nLk0B_jQ
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2019 07:10
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 10, 2024 13:16 |
|
|
Otteration posted:Agreed, but how are they winning right now. They don't need to be winning to be scary, really. I mean we've had the MAGA bomber, Coast Guard murder man, the Charlottesville mess of MAGA inspired nazis beat and kill people....these morons, if anything, feel even more embolden to act when they aren't winning because that's when they feel threatened the most to act.
|
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2019 07:40
|
|
|
Don't forget the Christchurch and Quebec MAGA terrorists. American fascism has been inspiring terrorists around the globe.
|
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2019 07:48
|
|
|
Pembroke Fuse posted:If Zizek's main point is that "political correctness" (sometimes also known as "not treating minorities like poo poo") and leftism are incompatible (or that modern leftism doesn't require the former)... I'm done here. You're gonna see a million more lovely takes about how not calling trans people slurs is "bourgeois civility", etc. I'll get torn apart for saying this, but there's a reason why the USSR wasn't a human rights utopia. Even the leftest of the left political and economic systems don't automatically have built-in humanism. It takes effort and mindfulness to keep systems empathetic and humane, and sometimes leftists are as lovely about that as right-wing nutjobs.
|
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2019 08:09
|
|
|
Solaris 2.0 posted:Hey all I think I found the hottest take yet I dunno, the one that’s been sticking with me tonight is Nate Silver’s ‘impeaching trump is the same thing as refusing to vote on Merrick Garland”
|
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2019 08:24
|
|
|
LordSloth posted:I dunno, the one that’s been sticking with me tonight is Nate Silver’s ‘impeaching trump is the same thing as refusing to vote on Merrick Garland” Oh gently caress, just stick to numbers, Nate.
|
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2019 08:27
|
|
|
LordSloth posted:I dunno, the one that’s been sticking with me tonight is Nate Silver’s ‘impeaching trump is the same thing as refusing to vote on Merrick Garland” And here I was thinking Mitch’s “we can’t seat a justice with an election coming up” was the same thing as “we can’t impeach the president with an election coming up.”
|
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2019 08:56
|
|
|
Petr posted:I'll get torn apart for saying this, but there's a reason why the USSR wasn't a human rights utopia. Even the leftest of the left political and economic systems don't automatically have built-in humanism. It takes effort and mindfulness to keep systems empathetic and humane, and sometimes leftists are as lovely about that as right-wing nutjobs. I wondered this too and honestly this is a good explanation of why the USSR and the Soviet satellite states acted the way they did toward their own populations.
|
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2019 09:08
|
|
|
heyitsamanda posted:I also wouldn't call Trump "ineffectual". Kids in cages, 2 SCOTUS seats, making GBS threads on US allies, tariffs that have had horrible effects on certain parts of the US, stroking off NK, irresponsible tax cuts, being the catalyst for attacks on many of our social programs, actively attacking public education. I mean, he's been pretty effective on many fronts. The scary part is that Trump is relatively ineffectual for how hard the GOP are backing him. If he were competently evil rather than maliciously incompetent and working with a brain made of cheese and focused only on his own comfort and prestige, things could actually be worse. Nixon with McConnell and company in the Senate would have been dictator for life.
|
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2019 09:12
|
|
|
Made it through 2500 posts (just before Mueller report was released) by only reading posts with tweets or pictures.  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
|
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2019 09:35
|
|
|
Petr posted:I'll get torn apart for saying this, but there's a reason why the USSR wasn't a human rights utopia. Even the leftest of the left political and economic systems don't automatically have built-in humanism. It takes effort and mindfulness to keep systems empathetic and humane, and sometimes leftists are as lovely about that as right-wing nutjobs. Yeah, unfortunately fear and bigotry does exists irrespective of ideology (lol, Zizek). There is a difference though, leftist ideology isn't built on a foundation of literally murdering/subjugating/removing the 'other' as much as possible, where as it is explicitly a core tenet (if not THE core tenet) of most of right wing ideology - especially nationalist and conservative ideologies. In a lot of Europe there is little difference on the progressive left, between anti-racist and anti-fascists, as the movements grew together a lot in the 80-90s, doesn't seem to be as much the case in the US.
|
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2019 10:01
|
|
|
The whole idea of 'political correctness is just treating people with respect' hasn't really taken off, at all. The whole term seems like a lost cause at this point; the right doesn't give a poo poo or reflexively acts to spite it, while the left is used to seeing it used to punch left at the slightest excuse and drive off vulnerable people for not automatically adhering to  , the liberal equivalent of 'not an argument' pedantry used to signal to the in-group rather than convince anyone, at worst being cynical, co-opted corporate rear end-covering; how to use the correct language and terms to not appear to be oppressive even as your actual behaviour is horribly oppressive and regressive. I assume Zizek sees it as part of the ideological dead end of class-exclusive liberalism.If you want to say 'treating people with respect' just say 'treating people with respect' rather than a term that's been a punchline before many of us were born.
|
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2019 10:43
|
|
|
Zesty posted:Made it through 2500 posts (just before Mueller report was released) by only reading posts with tweets or pictures. all you missed was the thread eating itself. you made the right call.
|
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2019 11:10
|
|
|
lifetime supply of Pocky posted:all you missed was the thread eating itself. you made the right call. This thread gets frankly awful at times, with the endless wrangling between people interpreting the same set of facts in different ways.
|
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2019 11:28
|
|
|
The world of people who believe in democracy are watching the United States fall away from democracy. If you don’t have rule of law then you don’t have a democracy. This is not just an internal political issue. A continued trump presidency damages America’s ability to interact with other nations. They are learning that they can bribe their agendas forward at the expense of the American people and their allies. That they can say white and do black and not be held accountable as long as they leverage sound bites and a few key positions. Donald Trump is making the entire planet a shittier place to live.
|
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2019 13:02
|
|
|
Looking forward to finding out whether all our various respective chud acquaintances' takes are that "the Mueller report is just a bunch of lies" or "the Mueller report doesn't matter because Trump is great and the Dems are just sore losers"
|
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2019 13:05
|
|
|
friendbot2000 posted:https://twitter.com/MeetMckayla/status/1114569139174215680?s=19 I sent her a message to her describing how my wife almost died not once, but twice during and after childbirth - and the doctors/obgyn misdiagnosed her each time. Hopefully she can use it as part of her platform. I have good insurance (expensive as gently caress but worth it), had the support of family to allow my wife an additional 3 months to stay out of work to heal after this, but am still dealing with the mis-billings (for the surgery to save her life DURING pregnancy which is over 10k out of pocket they claim), and we are terrified of ever trying again because it's just too drat risky and we don't trust the medical system to have her health and the health of that potential child in mind. My wife is Italian/Irish, imagine if she was a Black woman...she'd be straight up dead most likely.
|
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2019 13:29
|
|
|
Murgos posted:They are learning that they can bribe their agendas forward at the expense of the American people and their allies. That they can say white and do black and not be held accountable as long as they leverage sound bites and a few key positions. This is not really new or unique to the Trump administration. The only real difference with Trump is his incompetence and how blatant he is about it.
|
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2019 13:32
|
|
|
Data Graham posted:Looking forward to finding out whether all our various respective chud acquaintances' takes are that "the Mueller report is just a bunch of lies" or "the Mueller report doesn't matter because Trump is great and the Dems are just sore losers" Mueller didn't say Trump is guilty therefore Trump is innocent, will be the take I expect
|
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2019 13:37
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/Aaron8473/status/1119414364212166656 If it's been posted it's probably worth reposting anyway
|
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2019 13:40
|
|
|
Data Graham posted:Looking forward to finding out whether all our various respective chud acquaintances' takes are that "the Mueller report is just a bunch of lies" or "the Mueller report doesn't matter because Trump is great and the Dems are just sore losers" that's mostly what i've seen in comment sections. either no acknowledgement of volume 2, or a dismissal since all politicians lie anyway and what really matters is that trump gets poo poo done.
also, obviously, they abhor mueller e: P.S. an actual NRO headline "The Mueller Report Vindicates Bill Barr" Rinkles fucked around with this message at 13:57 on Apr 20, 2019 |
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2019 13:40
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1119572078175367168
|
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2019 14:10
|
|
|
Oh my god, use commas.
|
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2019 14:14
|
|
|
The Russia Hoax is dead, but Donald still sees it. Are we entering the ghost sighting phase of his presidency?
|
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2019 14:17
|
|
|
I love Trumps inability to actually let this cool off rather than scream about it endlessly.
|
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2019 14:19
|
|
|
Faustian Bargain posted:I love Trumps inability to actually let this cool off rather than scream about it endlessly. Volume II shows a man who can’t relax about his problems. He fixates and then tried to charm, bribe, intimidate his way out of said problems. This is someone who faced real consequences for the first time in his life and fell back on all of his narcissistic tool box.
|
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2019 14:22
|
|
|
Faustian Bargain posted:I love Trumps inability to actually let this cool off rather than scream about it endlessly. He's an idiot who is only trying to keep his base happy.
|
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2019 14:23
|
|
|
Why would the media want to anger the Polish?
|
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2019 14:27
|
|
|
Gaunab posted:Why would the media want to anger the Polish? very funny but if donald trump wanted to mention polish people, he would certainly be using some kind of old-timey ethnic slur
|
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2019 14:30
|
|
|
For anyone who hasn't read the report, this is a pretty good summary: https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-mueller-found-russia-and-obstruction-first-analysis tl;dr Conspiracy - Can't prove there was intent because that's notoriously hard to do. Collusion - Can't prove it because it has no real legal definition, although lots of activities that could match a reasonable definition of collusion did exist. There is also the context of obstruction itself. Obstruction - Provable in six of the ten cases presented.
|
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2019 14:45
|
|
|
pseudanonymous posted:This is not really new or unique to the Trump administration. I doubt if it’s something that can be eradicated but it can be minimized and made less effective
|
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2019 14:57
|
|
|
Pembroke Fuse posted:For anyone who hasn't read the report, this is a pretty good summary: Man, all it would have taken is one of Trump's goons to accept that bag of money offered or promises of Hillary's emails from a russian source and the obstruction stuff might actually mean something.
|
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2019 15:01
|
|
|
They have to be specifically staying that's what they are accepting the money for during the transaction.
|
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2019 15:03
|
|
|
Taerkar posted:They have to be specifically staying that's what they are accepting the money for during the transaction. Oh for sure, but this was never about any true legal proceedings. Trump accomplish paid for russian help to win the election being blared by the media if actually found true would have been enough for true impeachment proceedings in the public eye.
|
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2019 15:09
|
|
|
Otteration posted:How well is that working out for Fox? How large is the Fox news audience? Large enough for us to give a drat about? The viewer numbers might not look so impressive, but Fox News caters to a group of people who are white, pretty well-off, and who aren't targeted by systematized voter suppression. And if it's not Fox News creating a problem, remember that Sinclair Broadcast Group, who are just as conservative (if not worse) has a stranglehold on a lot of local news stations throughout the country and I'm sure that has hampered Democratic efforts to rebuild their grass-roots strength. https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/aug/17/sinclair-news-media-fox-trump-white-house-circa-breitbart-news
|
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2019 15:11
|
|
|
And theres a real chance they did have a smoking gun because Trump is dumb, thus the obstruction.
|
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2019 15:12
|
|
|
don't justify an investigation by how much money it reaped.
|
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2019 15:20
|
|
|
Ghost Leviathan posted:The whole idea of 'political correctness is just treating people with respect' hasn't really taken off, at all. The whole term seems like a lost cause at this point; the right doesn't give a poo poo or reflexively acts to spite it, while the left is used to seeing it used to punch left at the slightest excuse and drive off vulnerable people for not automatically adhering to after all, these are Gamer Words now, and anyone who treats them otherwise is interloping in your culture. sorry mate the thing that made your idols right wing is not and never was the indignity of being censured for dropping the n-bomb. materialism. look into it.
|
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2019 15:21
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 10, 2024 13:16 |
|
|
Rinkles posted:don't justify an investigation by how much money it reaped. That's a response to the one specific criticism that the investigation was a waste of money. I also like the implication that he doesn't know the word "espionage".
|
|
#
?
Apr 20, 2019 15:30
|
|
