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Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



A human heart posted:

ah, just heard of a book. time to look at how long the audiobook of it is for some reason, that's a good way to evaluate it.

As a physical book reader myself, that's a bit unfair.

Have you never weighed a book in your hands, do the fflflfllf leaf to see how many pages it's got? It's not a dealbreaker but it's an idk a quality in the measuring of the book along with title author etc, ya know? Seems to me that a 24hr audiobook vs a 2hr one is the same as a fat vs a thin paperback. :colbert:

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Ornamented Death
Jan 25, 2006

Pew pew!

Krankenstyle posted:

As a physical book reader myself, that's a bit unfair.

Have you never weighed a book in your hands, do the fflflfllf leaf to see how many pages it's got? It's not a dealbreaker but it's an idk a quality in the measuring of the book along with title author etc, ya know? Seems to me that a 24hr audiobook vs a 2hr one is the same as a fat vs a thin paperback. :colbert:

I'm currently sitting in a room with a couple thousand books and not once have I actually cared how thick or thin any of them are beyond worrying that the really thick ones might damage themselves due to how poorly hardcovers are put together nowadays.

That said, I can understand being in a situation where you have a set amount of time you want to read/listen to a book within, such as a long plane ride, and want to plan accordingly.

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



Ya 9 times out of 10 I don't care if it's long or short (that's what she said).... I'm just saying it's "an information" that you get and may use if you want to.

The ebook reader I had on my palm pilot in literally 2001, it didn't have any room for progress bars so I had no idea how far I was in the book, when it would end. That was an interesting feeling, but tbh I'm a lamer who prefers having an idea of how soon the torture will end.

mike12345
Jul 14, 2008

"Whether the Earth was created in 7 days, or 7 actual eras, I'm not sure we'll ever be able to answer that. It's one of the great mysteries."





Selachian posted:

Yeah, Williams's work tends to be pretty bulky.

Note that Otherland isn't really fantasy -- the plot centers around a virtual reality world (why yes, it was written in the late 90s) where people are disappearing/getting lost.

I'm not a huge fan of Williams either. He's a competent enough craftsman and can keep a story moving decently from A to B but he's never going to wow you. Still, there's definitely worse out there.

lol it definitely has a 90s vibe. so far it feels like mondo 2000: the novel

also I'm curious if it had any influence on the whole isekai genre in manga/anime, where people die and wake up in a virtual game world

VileLL
Oct 3, 2015


please read Perceforest instead

Rand Brittain
Mar 25, 2013

"Go on until you're stopped."
I just realized that my great new bookshelf with important books on it has an hour or two of direct sunlight to the lower shelves in warmer months. Moving it isn’t an option.

Will UV film on the window prevent damage?

Selachian
Oct 9, 2012

Rand Brittain posted:

I just realized that my great new bookshelf with important books on it has an hour or two of direct sunlight to the lower shelves in warmer months. Moving it isn’t an option.

Will UV film on the window prevent damage?

UV film reduces fading but it doesn't prevent it entirely. Still, if the bookcase isn't going to be getting full blast sunlight the entire day, UV film should protect it pretty well.

chernobyl kinsman
Mar 18, 2007

a friend of the friendly atom

Soiled Meat

Rand Brittain posted:

I just realized that my great new bookshelf with important books on it has an hour or two of direct sunlight to the lower shelves in warmer months. Moving it isn’t an option.

Will UV film on the window prevent damage?

have you considered curtains

Rand Brittain
Mar 25, 2013

"Go on until you're stopped."

chernobyl kinsman posted:

have you considered curtains

The timing isn’t really convenient unless I leave them shut all day long.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound
I should put uv film on my barrister bookshelves

it's out of direct light but why would I have unprotected books like a peasant

Ras Het
May 23, 2007

when I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child - but now I am a man.
Reading is the only pastime that isn't about expensive gadgets. Please make me forget the words "UV film"

Burning Rain
Jul 17, 2006

What's happening?!?!
I'll wrap all of my books in UV film from now on, so that all those ex-library books stay in their mint grease-stained condition for the next 50 years or so

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

This may be a mistake to post, but I just finished Danielewski’s House of Leaves, and while I thought it was a good ghost story with some very clever design elements, I’m not blown away or obsessed or haunted like many of the people who told me to read it seem to be. Is there some quality I’m overlooking or dismissing?

I guess I feel like maybe I missed the moment for reading it or something. I liked it fine, but the metatextal stuff didn’t really grab me and I just took it as two ghost stories, one classic and one in a contemporary style.

I guess I was expecting some kind of encounter with the sublime or like a really good scare, but I didn’t really get either.

Franchescanado
Feb 23, 2013

If it wasn't for disappointment
I wouldn't have any appointment

Grimey Drawer

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

This may be a mistake to post, but I just finished Danielewski’s House of Leaves, and while I thought it was a good ghost story with some very clever design elements, I’m not blown away or obsessed or haunted like many of the people who told me to read it seem to be. Is there some quality I’m overlooking or dismissing?

I guess I feel like maybe I missed the moment for reading it or something. I liked it fine, but the metatextal stuff didn’t really grab me and I just took it as two ghost stories, one classic and one in a contemporary style.

I guess I was expecting some kind of encounter with the sublime or like a really good scare, but I didn’t really get either.

Nah it's a mediocre book that mediocre people like to rave about.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Franchescanado posted:

Nah it's a mediocre book that mediocre people like to rave about.

One of my favorite movies about ghosts is Lake Mungo, so I’m there for the concept, but oh well.

Franchescanado
Feb 23, 2013

If it wasn't for disappointment
I wouldn't have any appointment

Grimey Drawer

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

One of my favorite movies about ghosts is Lake Mungo, so I’m there for the concept, but oh well.

TBB's Horror Thread is pretty good, so look through that to find a ghost story that catches your interest.

Have you read the classics like The Turn of the Screw and The Haunting of Hill House? Or are you looking for something more modern, like Slade House?

The best book about ghosts I've read lately was Lincoln In The Bardo by George Saunders. It has probably my favorite depictions of ghosts in literature, but it's not a horror story.

You can post in the TBB Recommendation thread if you have something specific in mind.

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.
Theres a ghost in Blackwater

MockingQuantum
Jan 20, 2012



Antifa Turkeesian posted:

One of my favorite movies about ghosts is Lake Mungo, so I’m there for the concept, but oh well.

Mel Mudkiper posted:

Theres a ghost in Blackwater

Everyone should read Blackwater, and I thought that ghost was particularly unsettling for some reason. There's so many reasons to love Blackwater so everyone should read it anyway

But if you want a really good twist on the traditional haunted house novel, The Elementals (also by McDowell) is very good. I haven't seen Lake Mungo so I can't tell you a book that's much like it, but different takes on the haunted house idea may be my favorite category of books, there should be some in the terrible first post of the horror thread. If not, I can probably barf up a list of them.

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012

Rand Brittain posted:

The timing isn’t really convenient unless I leave them shut all day long.

you should board up your windows like a cool reclusive book man

sephiRoth IRA
Jun 13, 2007

"Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality."

-Carl Sagan

A human heart posted:

you should board up your windows like a cool reclusive book man

Or just live in the basement

like me :smithicide:

Ornamented Death
Jan 25, 2006

Pew pew!

I just went with blackout curtains, I feel like an underachiever.

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.
I'm tired and just want to like things sorry for ever being lovely I hope you all like the books you read and read books you like God bless

sephiRoth IRA
Jun 13, 2007

"Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality."

-Carl Sagan

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

This may be a mistake to post, but I just finished Danielewski’s House of Leaves, and while I thought it was a good ghost story with some very clever design elements, I’m not blown away or obsessed or haunted like many of the people who told me to read it seem to be. Is there some quality I’m overlooking or dismissing?

I guess I feel like maybe I missed the moment for reading it or something. I liked it fine, but the metatextal stuff didn’t really grab me and I just took it as two ghost stories, one classic and one in a contemporary style.

I guess I was expecting some kind of encounter with the sublime or like a really good scare, but I didn’t really get either.

If you skip all the bullshit and focus on just the Navidson narrative, there’s actually a creepy little story there. It’s not amazing but it’s not terrible, either. The mediocre bit is you have to wade through hours of bullshit (some of the structural / typeset stuff works better than the rest) to get to that story and it’s all loving edgelord awfulness.

Enfys
Feb 17, 2013

The ocean is calling and I must go

Ras Het posted:

Reading is the only pastime that isn't about expensive gadgets. Please make me forget the words "UV film"

Disrupt the bookshelf

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound
https://twitter.com/alloy_dr/status/1121392092440342529

Action Jacktion
Jun 3, 2003
I guess this is how they tried to get adults to read Newberry winners:



Take the plunge! Okay!
Feb 24, 2007



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sephiRoth IRA
Jun 13, 2007

"Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality."

-Carl Sagan

Thanks I hate it

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



Loved the first LA Quartet & Underworld USA and everything before them, but tbh his recent writing has become a drag, he's gone too far up his own rear end imo. He needs an editor who can say no.

Selachian
Oct 9, 2012

I like Ellroy, but Perfidia failed to grab me. I think he's just been working the same schtick a little too long. What was fresh when LA Confidential, White Jazz, and American Tabloid came out now seems like just more of the same with different names swapped in. He's not creating interesting characters anymore, and his attempt at doing non-white male protagonists in Perfidia in Kay and Hideo just felt unconvincing.

Selachian fucked around with this message at 18:55 on Apr 30, 2019

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound
https://twitter.com/alloy_dr/status/1123617177016442880

PatMarshall
Apr 6, 2009

Gross.

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

Is there a historical novel thread? I just picked up Shogun by Clavell ten minutes ago and it's pretty baller so far, capturing the Aubrey-Maturin spirit in this prologue.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
There are some problems with Shogun.

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:

There are some problems with Shogun.

What are they?

It can't be less historically accurate than Nioh

Peggotty
May 9, 2014

Novels are never "historically accurate", whether they're set in the past or the present.

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

cebrail posted:

Novels are never "historically accurate", whether they're set in the past or the present.

I tend to think of historical accuracy as less of a black and white "this is exactly how it happened back then, the author used a mind reading device and a time machine to find out how it happened" and more of a spectrum. The Aubrey-Maturin books are like, the most historically accurate books I can think of, in that they capture the feel of the era alongside the technology and morals and so on. Nevermind that they're not strictly accurate - there never was a Captain Aubrey, and events most certainly did not unfold like they do.

So the question stands: what's wrong with Shogun? I'm genuinely curious here, the writing seems to be solid and while I'm not expecting total authenticity, it seems to be relatively close. So far at least. (And yeah, I know it changed the names of the historical figures.)

The Nioh comment meanwhile was a joke, because as much as I love Nioh, I'm 99.8% sure William Adams didn't learn Japanese by being possessed by a cat spirit, and that he didn't spend his time in Japan fighting yokai.

Quandary
Jan 29, 2008
Is there a good resource online anyway for generally seeing book quality? Oftentimes I'll pick up a random book and if would be nice to know if it was actually worth reading. Something like metacritic would be great, since Amazon/Goodreads reviews and star ranking tends to be useless

Ras Het
May 23, 2007

when I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child - but now I am a man.
The answer to that question very much depends on what you're looking for. Fantasy novels, nonfiction, classics, misery porn, harlequin, sports sagas? For most purposes Goodreads is probably fine

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Bilirubin
Feb 16, 2014

The sanctioned action is to CHUG


Ras Het posted:

The answer to that question very much depends on what you're looking for. Fantasy novels, nonfiction, classics, misery porn, harlequin, sports sagas? For most purposes Goodreads is probably fine

Goodreads is mostly fine. I have not yet had a good recommendation from its "suggested because you read X" algorithm though, and classic books tend to get lower overall ratings because of sooper smart online readers who "don't get all the hype"

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