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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Jesus christ What line do Republicans imagine exists in regards to immigration. There is no line. There is in fact basically no actual way for average poor Central Americans to even get in short of winning the lottery.
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Chilichimp posted:Democracy is good, actually. Disenfranchising rural voters by diluting them with oddly shaped majority suburban districts is just as gross as the reverse. When the rural is no longer a savage that wants to kill anyone that isn't white and christian they can have their vote back.
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SocketWrench posted:"hundreds of fans" 
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:What if I told you that is the minority of Americans and by advocating disenfranchisement methods such as the Gerrymander and the Electoral College, they are having an outsized voice in government What if I told you that giving bigots and their regressive opinions an equal seat at the table is actually a bad thing?
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kumba posted:Reince Priebus Priebus is, shocked as I am to still realize it, a Greek surname. The dude looks like the mayonnaisiest Midwesterner ever, yet I suppose deep down he's got a little cheap diner tzatziki in him as well.
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CascadeBeta posted:What if I told you that giving bigots and their regressive opinions an equal seat at the table is actually a bad thing? Okay so don't whine about gerrymandering when it doesn't help you
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You can’t support gerrymandering and fair elections at the same time. Even if it helps the Dems it’s still bad. That said, it needs a national solution, not a piecemeal thing. Assuming the GOP will fix theirs if we fix ours is just stupidity.
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Crabtree posted:When the rural is no longer a savage that wants to kill anyone that isn't white and christian they can have their vote back. your daily reminder that the northeast seaboard, the west coast, illinois, and hawaii are only going to get you to 30 in the senate it may be worthwhile to see if you can find a few rurals who believe that, and start working on empowering them, rather than forfeiting the Senate and with it the Supreme Court until the collapse of western civilization.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:your daily reminder that the northeast seaboard, the west coast, illinois, and hawaii are only going to get you to 30 in the senate Alternately, abolish the Senate
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Okay I guess I need to take a break from reading USPOL since now apparently Gerrymandering is Good Actually.
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holy poo poo lol https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1121077354279968770
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CascadeBeta posted:Hmm yes let's continue giving a voice to people who want to literally murder anyone who isn't white, straight and Christian. I'm sure this will foster good policy. For real. The guy who'd run (Neil Parrott) literally wants to start tattooing undesirables. I don't have to make a leap to figure out exactly where that goes. And if people think I'm exaggerating, here's the link: https://aminerdetail.com/how-do-we-explain-neil-parrott/ Relevant quoted text: quote:It is time to take the threat of HIV seriously. A compassionate and serious solution must preserve the dignity of those infected while truly helping to prevent the spread of the disease in an effective way. One such solution is a tattoo for those who are infected. This mark could be inconspicuously placed, perhaps in a spot covered by a bathing suit, warning only those who might engage in intimate encounters with the infected person. I remember reading this in the local paper when he first said it, because of course it's worthwhile to read and mock the dumbass half-educateds who write in to the local paper to say stuff. It was way less funny when he won office in the house of delegates years alter even after his insanity leaked out during the election. This guy makes the bigfoot porn story guy look grounded. He's also the asshat who made sure we had a plebiscite on LGBT civil rights (almost did it for trans rights but he missed the minimum signatures), because of course my neighbors should be the ones who get to determine how much of a human I am. That's the exact scumbag you want to put into office to represent me.
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Ikari Worrier posted:Okay I guess I need to take a break from reading USPOL since now apparently Gerrymandering is Good Actually. Make the Supreme Court ban it, first.
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:Alternately, abolish the Senate with you 100% on that, but you may need support from some of those other 35 states to make it happen
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Crabtree posted:When the rural is no longer a savage that wants to kill anyone that isn't white and christian they can have their vote back. They still get to vote. You just make sure they don't have critical mass in a district to get a rep. Just like getting rid of the electoral college "silences" these areas by not giving them an increased say in elections. You don't get to claim minority status based on not living in a city and expect to get a set aside rep for it.
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CascadeBeta posted:Hmm yes let's continue giving a voice to people who want to literally murder anyone who isn't white, straight and Christian. I'm sure this will foster good policy. making the electoral system more democratic would almost certainly result in a loss of power for those people. the only reason the republicans are hanging on to power is due to 1) non-majoritarian structural elements of our electoral system (e.g. the electoral college, the senate, number of house seats not scaling with population, etc.), and 2) GOP electoral fuckery (voter suppression, gerrymandering, etc). removing, or lessening the impact, of either of those two things would be good for democrats
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Fritz Coldcockin posted:Alternately, abolish the Senate At least in CT our state senate is population representational, just much larger districts then the reps. Surely we could reform the senate to be something along those lines? It's amazing how much he looks like the Yellow Bastard from Sin City.
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Zophar posted:More low IQ than high IQ.... No, they do not. No one who says things like that has any idea what a normal distribution or a probability density function even are.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Jesus christ What I love about the dumb aging racist fucks who scream about "being replaced" is that yeah dipshit, it naturally happens over time as generations die off. It's not even a unique situation; just another way dumb dying racist boomer olds have to feel special; go gently caress yourself
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Zophar posted:More low IQ than high IQ.... The best part is the then/than gently caress up
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friendbot2000 posted:https://twitter.com/TwitterMoments/status/1121063985854472192 Jesus hung on a cross Steve burns them
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Finicums Wake posted:making the electoral system more democratic would almost certainly result in a loss of power for those people. the only reason the republicans are hanging on to power is due to 1) non-majoritarian structural elements of our electoral system (e.g. the electoral college, the senate, number of house seats not scaling with population, etc.), and 2) GOP electoral fuckery (voter suppression, gerrymandering, etc). removing, or lessening the impact, of either of those two things would be good for democrats Yep. All the polls say that the American public is actually progressive as gently caress, but these disenfranchisement efforts prevent them from having their views reflected. If you support gerrymandering for your side, it just continues justifying it for the assholes that have us all over a barrel
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Finicums Wake posted:making the electoral system more democratic would almost certainly result in a loss of power for those people. the only reason the republicans are hanging on to power is due to 1) non-majoritarian structural elements of our electoral system (e.g. the electoral college, the senate, number of house seats not scaling with population, etc.), and 2) GOP electoral fuckery (voter suppression, gerrymandering, etc). removing, or lessening the impact, of either of those two things would be good for democrats Elections can be fair without giving regressive a voice to spew their bullshit. We don't have to tolerate intolerance for fucks sake.
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:with you 100% on that, but you may need support from some of those other 35 states to make it happen There is no legal way to abolish the Senate, it's the one thing that can't be done with a constitutional amendment.
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Party Plane Jones posted:https://twitter.com/shoeshine/status/1121054930767425536 I can tell you with authority that 100% of the things they had these people doing were extremely unpleasant and hazardous to their health in terms of heat exposure alone, never mind anything else (they've definitely got some rugged chemicals on hand above and beyond their products, hopefully they've just got a sulfuric alkylation unit instead of an HF one but yuck either way). Like I cannot fathom how unpleasant even being in the vague vicinity of a cat cracker would be down there.
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A solution to gerrymandering likely would leave Steve King in office. Some parts of the country are just full of lovely people.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Jesus hung on a cross Some of those that work Congress Are the same that burn crosses
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qkkl posted:There is no legal way to abolish the Senate, it's the one thing that can't be done with a constitutional amendment. Even if you don't abolish the senate, you can remove its power so long as that's done to all the states equally. Turn it into the House of Lords. It's not even clear that the constitutional prohibition on abolishing the Senate is not itself amendable. It's not like there's an even higher authority to appeal to for a ruling.
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Grape posted:What line do Republicans imagine exists in regards to immigration. That depends. Low-information Republicans probably imagine there is a list you can sign up on if you wait and you are good you eventually get in, or some sort of Ellis Island equivalent. The people actually leveraging the idea know there isn't any line, but understand that 'Wait your turn!' sounds a lot more reasonable and appeals to a sense of fairness, whereas 'Get hosed forever' does not.
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The reality is that very few people have any clear grasp on the US immigration system because it is a complicated and patchwork system, even people who are making specific policy complaints and changes often get confused (for instance, there is a long-running confusion that you need to test the labor market for H-1B petitions, which is not true). The average Republican probably processes the situation as 'there are minorities in the country, therefore there must be a way for them to come here', with no more thought.
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qkkl posted:There is no legal way to abolish the Senate, it's the one thing that can't be done with a constitutional amendment. Nah this is wrong in so so many ways. You could just repeal that section with an amendment, then pass an amendment abolishing the senate Or form a constitutional convention to write a new constitution (the constitution itself wasn't passed within the legal framework of the old Articles federal government which required unanimous consent of the states to alter). Or you could amend Article 1 to change how bills are passed into law, turn the Senate into a body like the House of Lords that can only delay legislation but not prevent it, which would not fall afoul of the provision that says no state may be deprived of its equal suffrage in the senate without its consent. Or just get all states to unanimously consent.
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qkkl posted:There is no legal way to abolish the Senate, it's the one thing that can't be done with a constitutional amendment. This is nonsense. No part of the constitution is unalterable by amendment
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Chilichimp posted:That is a stupid and gross way to draw district lines, man, and at no point was I suggesting that we draw lines that pack republicans into safe districts, but gerrymanding that egregious shouldn't be allowed. Are you saying you don't like the shape? That it's not the purpose behind the gerrymandering, it's just that you really hate non-compact districts? The reason we laugh at the spidery districts that span between chunks of two urban areas along a swath of rural highway is because they're visual representations of the lengths that the map planners went to, to twist the districts to their will. If I waved a wand and came up with a way to turn a 55-45 Democrat state into 10 Democrat districts, you'd be cool with it, if it had pleasing amounts of compactness? Democrats are the overwhelming losers in the face of partisan gerrymandering. If I could wave a wand and be rid of it, I would. But if I waved a wand and only Democratic-controlled state was rid of it, we'd lose control of the House, and President Pence would pass policies that result in gay and transgender people dying. Tell me how to prevent real harm while we stop the partisan gerrymander in Maryland, and I'm interested.
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VitalSigns posted:Nah this is wrong in so so many ways. Or the Washington Monument could sprout wings and flap away to Chyna, why are we talking about this again?
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mdemone posted:Or the Washington Monument could sprout wings and flap away to Chyna, why are we talking about this again? He said "there is no legal way", which is wrong, not "it would be hard" which is correct. But amending the constitution is hard in any case. Lots of things are hard, that's no reason not to talk about them. If you actually had 3/4 of the states willing to abolish the senate, the provision against it wouldn't be a problem, because those 3/4 of states could do any number of things that have the effect.
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CascadeBeta posted:Elections can be fair without giving regressive a voice to spew their bullshit. We don't have to tolerate intolerance for fucks sake. Elections can be fair, so long as the viewpoints I approve of are the only ones allowed to participate That seems like the strategy the Right has been trying to fulfill for over a decade
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Ate My Balls Redux posted:Elections can be fair, so long as the viewpoints I approve of are the only ones allowed to participate gently caress you. This is the most privileged poo poo. "Protecting minorities is actually as bad as ostracizing them" is a hell of a loving take.
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CascadeBeta posted:gently caress you. This is the most privileged poo poo. It's not wrong. You absolutely can't call an election "fair" if it disallows people for their political opinions. What percentage of Republican voters do you believe actually believe all gay people should be killed? CascadeBeta posted:"Protecting minorities is actually as bad as ostracizing them" is a hell of a loving take. That would be a hell of a take, but since gerrymandering does much more harm than good to these populations, it isn't really protecting them
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qkkl posted:There is no legal way to abolish the Senate, it's the one thing that can't be done with a constitutional amendment. yeah. and according to projections, by 2050 ~70% of americans will live in 15 states--meaning that ~70% of americans will be represented by 30 senators. Dems either have to go for a constitutional change or figure out how to start winning in non-metropolitan areas
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