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Raenir Salazar posted:China banned foot binding though? That's not never. Yeah I'm sure that the Uighur really appreciate their progressive jailers.
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Nonsense posted:Tsar Peter forced his people into modernity and demanded they join the human race. Oh yeah that one too, good catch
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Kerning Chameleon posted:Don't forget technology and science, I fully believe Luddism is going to make a huge comeback in the next decade, and I want in on that. You know what's crazy? Ned Ludd never existed. Had a whole biography fabricated and historicized, and less than a couple centuries later it's pretty hard to tell. Just imagine if that had happened to any other leader figures in history 
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twice burned ice posted:Add democracy to the list of things Kerning Chameleon professes to hate looking at camp fires
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Kerning Chameleon posted:Don't forget technology and science, I fully believe Luddism is going to make a huge comeback in the next decade, and I want in on that. I encourage you to become one today, by destroying the nearest piece of technology to you.
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CascadeBeta posted:What positive benefit is there for public discourse by allowing white nationalists and bigots like Donald Trump or Steve King or another of the rest of the peanut gallery to have a seat? Retro42 posted:Everyone gets a seat. Okay, this clearly isn't true when you're talking about Representatives themselves. Every voter has a say (and conservatives and everyone Mayor Pete and rightward can gently caress right off with their felon disenfranchisement), but there are mechanisms by which someone can be expelled from the House or Senate. Currently the process is entirely political and very, very high, which means the bar for losing your seat at table is heinous violation of norms. I'm sure you could think of some examples that would at least convince a Democrat-lead wing to expel a member! It's a valid question as to whether there's any way to lower that bar in a way that allows for expulsion of people advocating for oppression of minorities without opening the door to expelling AOC for "economic oppression". theflyingorc posted:The last time we said "what is wrong with Nate Silver" he was terrifyingly, horrifyingly right There's a big difference between "Nate constructs an election model that makes predictions from data" and "Nate spouts off bullshit centrist generalizations about groups of voters without presenting any data".
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Meiji japan? Revolutionary communist china / Russia? Depends on how you define "progressive". None of those started as authoritarian movements even if they were eventually perverted into authoritarian states. They are more object lessons of the dangers of concentrated power and how good intentions do not overcome the inherent corrupting nature of power.
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Skex posted:Yeah I'm sure that the Uighur really appreciate their progressive jailers. This is a bad argument to cover up you're own badly phrased generalization. I am not the one disputing that an authoritarian government can be oppressive and tyrannical when I and others are pointing out obvious counter examples to your badly phrased generalization, don't double down on it, pull up!
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pseudanonymous posted:That's true in a sense, but nobody has been able to come up with a better system. Everyone knows Democracy has problems, literally half the population has an IQ under 100. Now IQ is largely a useless measure of anything, but even so, I'm troubled that those people get an equal say in who runs the country. And obviously, Republicans have figured out this fact. And if they fight education and health and nutrition and keep those people poor and living on soda and pop-tarts their kids will never get any smarter. But even so, what's a better system? Having some kind of voting test doesn't work out well for minority groups. Hello sir, may I interest you in some calipers? 200 years isn't too late to revive the Edinburgh Phrenological Society!
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Some rather serious goes at horseshoe theory going on in here.Skex posted:None of those started as authoritarian movements even if they were eventually perverted into authoritarian states. They are more object lessons of the dangers of concentrated power and how good intentions do not overcome the inherent corrupting nature of power. A benevolent dictator is the best form of government. Humanity is incapable of a benevolent dictator. I for one welcome Skynet V 2.0 "98% less genocidal tendencies"
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twice burned ice posted:Can't wait for unironic endorsements of eugenics to pop up in this thread in a few hours Extremely woke serfdom.
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Kerning Chameleon posted:Don't forget technology and science, I fully believe Luddism is going to make a huge comeback in the next decade, and I want in on that. So you're anti-vaxx as well?
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twice burned ice posted:Can't wait for unironic endorsements of eugenics to pop up in this thread in a few hours Hey, if they are hateful parents they should be denied their breeding license!
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Just going to put this here: https://extranewsfeed.com/tolerance-is-not-a-moral-precept-1af7007d6376 quote:Tolerance is not a moral absolute; it is a peace treaty. Tolerance is a social norm because it allows different people to live side-by-side without being at each other’s throats. It means that we accept that people may be different from us, in their customs, in their behavior, in their dress, in their sex lives, and that if this doesn’t directly affect our lives, it is none of our business. But the model of a peace treaty differs from the model of a moral precept in one simple way: the protection of a peace treaty only extends to those willing to abide by its terms. It is an agreement to live in peace, not an agreement to be peaceful no matter the conduct of others.
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https://twitter.com/HeerJeet/status/1121090512130387968 We need to invest in the technology needed to get us back to Normal Earth.
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Solkanar512 posted:So you're anti-vaxx as well? No, but the fact they're made from chicken eggs means they're not vegan, which is Problematic at best. also, loving doctors lost my vaccination records and won't boost mine without them
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InsertPotPun posted:https://twitter.com/HeerJeet/status/1121090512130387968
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Solkanar512 posted:So you're anti-vaxx as well? He lusts for the death of all humans. Anything that accelerates that he supports.
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CascadeBeta posted:^ Protecting minorities is not facism you disengenious rear end. Well, you need to think of precedence. Stopping a group of people from having a voice because *insert reason* becomes an issue that can swing back against you too. Progressive people are not always going to hold control, and you can bet the assholes that will have power will use that very same control against others. I mean as an example we have people like AOC and Omar in office now trying to speak for those that want a voice while both Republicans and other Democrats try to shut them up. Having some precedence moment to find excuses to silence people would be used to silence them because the overwhelming power wants them to shut up. Everyone has to have a voice or no one will. It's not always going to be pretty, and you certainly don't have to agree with what those ugly moments say, but that's pretty much the way it works. Taking away some group's freedom will become a tool to take away everyone's freedom
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SocketWrench posted:Well, you need to think of precedence. Stopping a group of people from having a voice because *insert reason* becomes an issue that can swing back against you too. Progressive people are not always going to hold control, and you can bet the assholes that will have power will use that very same control against others. So mark you down as collaborator scum, got it.
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It’s Armenian Genocide Remembrance Day. If you don’t know what that is, please look it up. It’s awful and our federal government won’t recognize it because it makes Turkey mad, even tho 49 states recognize it.
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Kerning Chameleon posted:So mark you down as collaborator scum, got it. As a Luddite you should support them, but as a Frankenstein they are a major threat to you.
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InsertPotPun posted:https://twitter.com/HeerJeet/status/1121090512130387968 pretty sure we got here on the Event Horizon
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mdemone posted:Just imagine if that had happened to any other leader figures in history You mean Pol Pot?
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Kerning Chameleon posted:So mark you down as collaborator scum, got it. You're basically the liberal version of a Trump supporter.
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Silver Nitrate posted:It’s Armenian Genocide Remembrance Day. If you don’t know what that is, please look it up. It’s awful and our federal government won’t recognize it because it makes Turkey mad, even tho 49 states recognize it. I will take this moment to also remember the nice and cool things the Ottomans did over the years. I am glad, at least, that Armenians have a home again.
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https://twitter.com/nwarikoo/status/1120962451758100480 Nice friends we keep
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Rent-A-Cop posted:How do you feel about pitchforks? The monster got lazy, should have preempted leadership of the mob to burn down Frankenstein's lab and spike his head on a pike.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:pretty sure we got here on the Event Horizon Where we're going we don't need tapes to pee
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Kerning Chameleon posted:So mark you down as collaborator scum, got it. Unironically recreating Soviet Russia to own the libs
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pseudanonymous posted:You're basically the liberal version of a Trump supporter. Leftist, I won't abide being smeared as a centrist of all things.
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mdemone posted:You know what's crazy? Ned Ludd never existed. Had a whole biography fabricated and historicized, and less than a couple centuries later it's pretty hard to tell. bernie sanders is a hoax
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theflyingorc posted:Unironically recreating Soviet Russia to own the libs I think we're all getting bored with our present failed state and need some novelty in our lives.
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Stickman posted:There's a big difference between "Nate constructs an election model that makes predictions from data" and "Nate spouts off bullshit centrist generalizations about groups of voters without presenting any data". Yeah, any take on Nate Silver takes grounded in his model having a larger chance for Trump to win than others also has to take into account his laughable punditry during the primary season.
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If the government had the power to silence racists it would be bad. Not because racists being silenced is bad, but because the government being powerful enough to silence the racists is bad. Because if the government was that powerful, it could potentially abuse that power to do actually bad things.
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I just realized we shouldn't call them Jacuzzi's but "Jacuzzi's monster" I love when trump does this in real time: "I think Mueller checked my taxes, I assume Mueller checked my taxes. Mueller checked my taxes." The the next day "But Mueller checked trump's taxes! trump said so!"
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pseudanonymous posted:You're basically the liberal version of a Trump supporter. There's nothing liberal about his ideas.
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