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when we stop eating meat, we'll be able to convert a vast amount of pasture - and crops grown for animal feed - and that will in turn give us enough to feed everyone but we won't stop eating meat, because only the poor will be forced to make sacrifices, while the wealthy will be able to continue to use more than their fair share of resources e.g., the billion people who will be starving by the end of this century will still be starving not because of climate change, but because of wealth disparity
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Admiral Ray posted:Overpopulation as Malthus envisioned it hasn't come to pass yet. Like peak oil, overpopulation is a moving target that depends on a lot of factors. I'd say the earth is overpopulated with humans simply given the environmental destruction we've wrought and climate change, which are the results of our rate of consumption (first and primarily in the West, now a big problem in China and becoming one in India). The issue isn't really the number of people, but patterns of consumption. perhaps we should help the rich gentrify death row
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Leperflesh posted:when we stop eating meat, we'll be able to convert a vast amount of pasture - and crops grown for animal feed - and that will in turn give us enough to feed everyone This is what I point out to people arguing about climate change. The most vulnerable groups of people will be the most affected, while the rich and privileged will be able to protect themselves from the worst effects for a long time.
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Admiral Ray posted:We can currently produce enough food to feed the world, but for how long given human-caused shifts in rainfall patterns and temperatures? Could we produce enough food to feed 8 billion+ without mechanized farming (probably, though it'd be far more human labor intensive), or without oil products? Can we transition from mechanized farming to non-mechanized while also dealing with climate change? Wait, how did getting rid of mechanized farming come into this? Why would we get rid of mechanized farming? Alternative power sources maybe, but getting rid of mechanization altogether? Are we getting rid of mechanized everything else also?
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BeAuMaN posted:Wait, how did getting rid of mechanized farming come into this? Why would we get rid of mechanized farming? Alternative power sources maybe, but getting rid of mechanization altogether? Are we getting rid of mechanized everything else also? It's a pretty valid line of questioning in my opinion. Modern mechanised farming relies on a host of practices with questionable sustainability, whether you're talking about fossil fuels, extreme centralization, water resource usage, private corporate land ownership, etc. It is absolutely worth examining whether that farming can realistically be maintained on a long-term scale, what changes would be required, and whether implementing those changes is feasible or likely. There's plenty of folks here in D&D who advocate the idea that it isn't the population that is the issue, it's just the socioeconomic distributive systems. But those systems are not likely to change, and even with those changes there would need to be a host of cultural and behavioral expectations changed as well. Fully automated communist utopia wouldn't change the reality that we've been methodically exhausting our water, oil, mineral, flora, and fauna resources at an extreme rate. Redistribution isn't at all sufficient, since we're already running heavily in the red.
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If it's meant in a broad sense of "modern farming practices", sure, but in the sense that "mechanized" means the use of machinery to handle many parts of crop prep, planting, maintenance, and harvest, that's another thing, especially in relation to climate change. I could be wrong, but I doubt it's the tractors and harvesters (which would be the mechanized component) that are large contributor to climate change rather than the rest of the practices, and especially when offset by the amount of workers that would replace that mechanized component who are probably taking their own individual vehicles to work out in rural areas (or even shared vehicles). There's also various farm equipment engine retrofitting programs in California to help upgrade farm equipment to be more environmentally friendly, though I couldn't speak as to the efficacy of or how well these programs are run. That's what I was kind of raising a brow at. There's a lot of valid questions concerning the sustainability of modern farming practices.
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BeAuMaN posted:Wait, how did getting rid of mechanized farming come into this? Why would we get rid of mechanized farming? Alternative power sources maybe, but getting rid of mechanization altogether? Are we getting rid of mechanized everything else also? That was sloppy language on my part, I meant more so pesticide/fertilizer use, so I guess industrial farming? Mechanized farming isn't going anywhere so long as we have solar/electric/some oil. If we end up rationing oil due to things like sharp carbon taxes then it'd make sense to allow farmers and shipping to continue using oil for fuel.
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Ah, okay. Yeah, there's a lot of questions on that.
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Sydin posted:Yeah but did he have a smartphone? Funny thing, I worked in the garage during High School (early 1970's). I remember seeing a car phone (radio phone) maybe once or twice during those years (I think the daily parking rate was $20 even back then). I recall the cost of using one was amazingly expensive. He did write this song about putting a bar in the back of his car though: https://archive.org/details/78_he-put-in-a-bar-in-the-back-of-his-car-and-hes-driving-himself-to-drink_georgie_gbia0010822b
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Cicero posted:Birth rate is already stable or underneath replacement in developed countries. This is true even in the US, population is increasing just because of immigration. Admiral Ray posted:Overpopulation as Malthus envisioned it hasn't come to pass yet. Like peak oil, overpopulation is a moving target that depends on a lot of factors. I'd say the earth is overpopulated with humans simply given the environmental destruction we've wrought and climate change, which are the results of our rate of consumption (first and primarily in the West, now a big problem in China and becoming one in India). The issue isn't really the number of people, but patterns of consumption. Maybe you could do it through centralized planning of food, water and energy consumption, combined with muscular & intrusive law enforcement and total surveillance in order to prevent waste and diversion. But if you have the power to enact the plot of Judge Dredd, why would you choose the future that maximizes the number of humans on the planet by cramming them into megablocks while the sixth mass extinction reaches its zenith outside the walls?
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Following my (Republican) Assemblyperson's Facebook is usually pretty aggravating, but sometimes nets nice moments like this one:
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CPColin posted:Following my (Republican) Assemblyperson's Facebook is usually pretty aggravating, but sometimes nets nice moments like this one:
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This one, too. Those poor snowflakes!
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Dianne Feinstein endorsed Biden, lol
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Kobayashi posted:Dianne Feinstein endorsed Biden, lol THANK YOU CALIFORNIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
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Kobayashi posted:Dianne Feinstein endorsed Biden, lol I sure hope De Leon enjoyed his retirement that started 6 months before the election
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I’m not in the least surprised based on their blue dog alignment but you’d think DECORUM obliges her to endorse Harris?
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The Wiggly Wizard posted:I’m not in the least surprised based on their blue dog alignment but you’d think DECORUM obliges her to endorse Harris?
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I have to assume Harris would be pretty pleased not to get Feinstein's endorsement, considering Harris has been trying pretty hard to drift publicly to the left and cater to the young progressive vote, which is a block with a well known loathing of Feinstein. Not a fan of Harris because ACAB but I'd vote for her in a heartbeat over loving Biden.
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FMguru posted:DECORUM only constrains people from moving even the slightest bit leftward. You can lurch rightward all you want, that isn't covered by DECORUM. Decorum means not complaining about rightward motion.
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Sydin posted:Not a fan of Harris because ACAB but I'd vote for her in a heartbeat over loving Biden. Both are gonna lead to an absolute tidal wave of fascism.
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I mean yeah, but who among the Dem front runners is that not true of to some extent? Warren and Bernie I guess? Everybody else is either trying to walk the "I'm one of the sensible democrats"  line (Klobuchar, Beto, Yang, Buttigieg outside of being very outspoken over LGBT issues) or are paying lip service to the left but have track records that say otherwise wrt how they really feel (Booker, Harris, etc). Has there been a candidate yet who has signaled any willingness to actually pound fascists into the sand and pack the courts / blow up the electoral college / etc?
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Sydin posted:Has there been a candidate yet who has signaled any willingness to actually pound fascists into the sand and pack the courts / blow up the electoral college / etc? Warren's on the record for getting rid of the electoral college. She and Kamala and Gillibrand and Beto say they're open to the idea of expanding the court, but they all seem wishy washy about it.
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acksplode posted:Warren's on the record for getting rid of the electoral college. She and Kamala and Gillibrand and Beto say they're open to the idea of expanding the court, but they all seem wishy washy about it. Access to expanding the court!
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Measles outbreak in LA, to the point where we have quarantines at two universities. I'm sure our schools aren't filled with rich unvaccinated white kids, right?
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I’m not sure anti-vaxxers are all rich.
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Runaktla posted:I’m not sure anti-vaxxers are all rich. No, but the elementary school in my city with the lowest vaccination rate costs 40k/yr
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Bastard Tetris posted:No, but the elementary school in my city with the lowest vaccination rate costs 40k/yr do not quote massive creep stymie
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Trump must have figured out that the Marin libs were behind it. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-measles-vaccination-they-have-get-shot-n998881 Trump on measles vaccination: 'They have to get the shot' The president spoke amid a big increase in the number of cases of the highly contagious virus.
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VideoGameVet posted:Trump must have figured out that the Marin libs were behind it. Donald is a well-known germaphobe, albeit one without any insight into science or medicine, so pretty much any of his perspectives on this sort of thing is going to be entirely informed from that perspective.
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Bastard Tetris posted:No, but the elementary school in my city with the lowest vaccination rate costs 40k/yr I know public schools require it, but do private schools require the measles vaccine in kindergarten?
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Bastard Tetris posted:No, but the elementary school in my city with the lowest vaccination rate costs 40k/yr My home state paper published a list of schools by vax rate and the lowest was a lol list of Waldorf and “Country” schools
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Jaxyon posted:Where can I find some good info on SB50? Here are two analyses by the Senate Housing committee and Governance and Finance committee respectively that are pretty comprehensive. e. I'd recommend the most recent one by the Finance committee, which does a better job of breaking down whether the committee actually thinks the bill will be effective or not. Here's an example excerpt: quote:3. Sure, but will it work? Local governments have shown that they are nothing if not creative Sydin fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Apr 29, 2019 |
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Jaxyon posted:Where can I find some good info on SB50? What Sydin linked. Analysis is prepared for when a bill goes to committee (and maybe floor also?). Hit the Text tab to read the bill (the blue is addition, red strike through is removal. On the text page this reflects changes made via amendment from the last version of the bill. You can change the version on the top right pulldown. Today's Law as Amended tab gives you a look at how the current version will fit into surrounding statutes that it will occupy and also what it will remove/change. History tab shows you past actions, but I usually check Status tab which shows the last 5 actions and how far it is down the path towards being sent to the governor. If you sign up for an account, you can also Track the Bill, and you'll get e-mail updates for specific actions when the bill moves (It doesn't track everything, but it tracks most actions). If you're feeling really nerdy you can lookup the videos for the hearing that the bill was voted on, and watch the testimony given by author, proponents and opponents, as well as comments by the committee. However, it's usually a 3-5 hours video and there's no tags as to when a particular bill is heard usually, so you have to skip around a lot. Edit: Senate Housing Committee on 4/2: https://www.senate.ca.gov/media/senate-housing-committee-20190402/video Senate Governance and Finance Committee on 4/24: https://www.senate.ca.gov/media/senate-governance-finance-committee-20190424/video My internet is poo poo, so I'm not going to find where they talk about the bill in either of those. That's more or less what I learned when trying to track bills in California. The analysis that's prepared won't give everything on a bill but it will give a pretty decent overview of what proponents/opponents are arguing, along with changes it would make relevant to that committee that the analysis was prepared for. It's fairly thorough, as far as executive overview type stuff is and the timeline that said committee lawyers have to prepare the analysis in. BeAuMaN fucked around with this message at 04:33 on Apr 30, 2019 |
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Jaxyon posted:Where can I find some good info on SB50? Cam Newton didn't want it enough, OP
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Hey dudes, looks like thanks to all this unseasonal wet weather the Oroville Dam is near capacity again. Fun times ahead!
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It’s fine, they have a brand new spillway to use. Better hope the crumbling gate structure is up to the task tho!
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withak posted:It’s fine, they have a brand new spillway to use. Don't worry, the Prado Dam spillway in my area of SoCal was recently just determined to also be crumbling and could take out Disneyland if it failed.
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FCKGW posted:Don't worry, the Prado Dam spillway in my area of SoCal was recently just determined to also be crumbling and could take out Disneyland if it failed. ugh i don't want anything to happen to this area but i mean in the darkest parts of my soul disneyland being destroyed is instinctively enticing....
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