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Eregos posted:Even if I mistakenly believed support for impeachment would drastically increase once hearings were underway and people saw the evidence, I still wouldn't want to start it now both because it distracts from policy people care more about and the case will be stronger after the Democrats investigate to gather more evidence. Investigating Trump is part of a movement toward impeachment. We don't have to impeach literally this very instant, but Democratic leaders shouldn't be shouting, "We don't want to impeach!" from the rooftops now, before we even have all the facts. That's why people are mad at Pelosi. She could've said something neutral, but she has consistently said we shouldn't impeach (at this moment, without the evidence, before we investigate, etc.). Why take that weapon off the table? Because Brazil took a far-right turn, but America won't? Republicans are flat-out refusing to even discuss good policy because it would be a Democratic victory. McConnell blocks everything that the Democratic House proposes. How does that make Democrats stronger, while investigating Republican crimes makes them weaker? If we go through all of this, and it doesn't affect Trump in any way, and Republicans still get to burn the country to the ground, then what's the point of investigating? If we believe impeachment is wrong, and that the President can't face any other legal or political consequences, then why bother? FronzelNeekburm fucked around with this message at 13:08 on Apr 29, 2019 |
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FronzelNeekburm posted:Investigating Trump is part of a movement toward impeachment. We don't have to impeach literally this very instant, but Democratic leaders shouldn't be shouting, "We don't want to impeach!" from the rooftops now, before we even have all the facts. That's why people are mad at Pelosi. She could've said something neutral, but she has consistently said we shouldn't impeach (at this moment, without the evidence, before we investigate, etc.). Why take that weapon off the table? Because Brazil took a far-right turn, but America won't? Pelosi has consistently said that we should go where the facts lead us, not get out ahead of them. That's a reasonable position. No one has ever said that impeachment is out under any circumstances. Pay attention to what she actually says, not what some blog post tells you she says. The other problem is that hearings and such take time. The next election may come before an impeachment vote. It's all pointless unless the Senate Republicans will vote to convict, anyway. The Democrats have no power over Republicans and can't "punish" them in any way. Only the voters can. The goal is getting Trump out of office ASAP and it may mean letting the voters take care of him. All the Democrats can do is get all the facts into the Congressional Record and the newspapers. If people reelect Trump anyway, that's a much bigger problem.
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LeeMajors posted:They're trying hard to do the same thing in SC but coastal counties are pushing back hard. Most of them have banned them already. This seems to be the new environmental "fad" everywhere. Not that I'm saying its a bad thing. I am just curious what was the tipping point with suddenly people shunning plastic bags? I know with the plastic straws it was that turtle video. Was there some sort of video/article I missed that's now pushing this?
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Alterian posted:This seems to be the new environmental "fad" everywhere. Not that I'm saying its a bad thing. I am just curious what was the tipping point with suddenly people shunning plastic bags? I know with the plastic straws it was that turtle video. Was there some sort of video/article I missed that's now pushing this? Plastic bags are a nuisance when discarded improperly, as they always are. As a result, people who care nothing for the wider environment can see the benefit of not having the drat things flying around, getting entangled in your yard or trees etc. Ranchers and farmers are also often allies of these bans, as plastic bags tend to wind up in pastures and can threaten livestock. It's a lot easier to pass a ban on something that's opposed by a wider group of people that can't just be condensed down to liberals and environmentalists.
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It doesn't hurt that theres been a strong push for reusable bags these days, so there is a stronger alternative than paper bags.
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Deteriorata posted:Pelosi has consistently said that we should go where the facts lead us, not get out ahead of them. That's a reasonable position. No one has ever said that impeachment is out under any circumstances. Eregos is saying we should not impeach because it would distract from all the good legislation Democrats are successfully passing now, and that no American will ever change their mind and support impeachment in the future.
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FoolyCharged posted:It doesn't hurt that theres been a strong push for reusable bags these days, so there is a stronger alternative than paper bags. Yeah having bags that don't fall apart at the slightest pressure is a really good selling point for reusable bags. I actually started using them originally for that reason long before the city ordinance banned plastic bags.
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Yeah I've had the same reusable bags since they first introduced them at market basket like 12 years ago and they still hold up albeit are a little rstty, and they hold way more stuff. Plastic is obsolete (though I'll miss being able to use them for trash bags)
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Banning banning plastic bag is so loving stupid. What else can we ban the banning of? Lets ban the banning of cigarette smoking in restarauntd
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Can't wait to see a tidal wave of similar poo poo coming too. Banning banning of plastic straws. Banning banning of giant soda cups. Banning banning of CFC refrigerants.
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Honestly, the only thing I can imagine when I think about this is Bam Bam from the flinstones. Ban Ban! Ban Ban!
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We already ban the ban of municipal broadband and ban the ban of rent control. Why not go for broke?
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Alterian posted:This seems to be the new environmental "fad" everywhere. Not that I'm saying its a bad thing. I am just curious what was the tipping point with suddenly people shunning plastic bags? I know with the plastic straws it was that turtle video. Was there some sort of video/article I missed that's now pushing this? They are awful everywhere but particularly bad in waterways. Submerged they look like jellyfish, a sea turtle’s primary food source. As bad as the straws are, bags are worse. It’s not a fad to ban them. They are an unnecessary and harmful environmental nuisance.
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LeeMajors posted:They are awful everywhere but particularly bad in waterways. Submerged they look like jellyfish, a sea turtle’s primary food source. As bad as the straws are, bags are worse. I wasn't saying anything against the ban. I'm glad something so obvious is going through. It was frustrating to see my state repeal an 8 year ban that was in place on bags for part of the state. I must not have explained myself very well. Within the last 2 weeks I've seen a large push locally where people are bringing in reusable bags or asking for paper bags when 99.9% of people before a couple weeks ago didn't really care / think about it. Its enough of a sudden change that I wondered if I missed some sort of major article or video that suddenly pushed people who were apathetic about it to be suddenly really into it, similar to plastic straws and the turtle video.
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Alterian posted:I wasn't saying anything against the ban. I'm glad something so obvious is going through. It was frustrating to see my state repeal an 8 year ban that was in place on bags for part of the state. I must not have explained myself very well. Within the last 2 weeks I've seen a large push locally where people are bringing in reusable bags or asking for paper bags when 99.9% of people before a couple weeks ago didn't really care / think about it. Its enough of a sudden change that I wondered if I missed some sort of major article or video that suddenly pushed people who were apathetic about it to be suddenly really into it, similar to plastic straws and the turtle video. Oh no worries, I didn't think you were minimizing. I think people are just finally coming around to how harmful reusable plastics are for our environment and plastics bags and straws are simultaneously the most pervasive and the easiest to render obsolete.
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Okay the one-sentence editorializing is getting really old. It feels like Tosh.0 the post. My understanding so far is these suits are similarly poorly drafted to previous ones, and it's not clear they will succeed.
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Discendo Vox posted:Okay the one-sentence editorializing is getting really old. It feels like Tosh.0 the post. Counterpoint: no it's not and you are wrong.
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Endymion FRS MK1 posted:I'm ok with the quick follow up sentence, personally Yeah a little editorializing is fine.
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Not US news specifically, but, uh, about that climate change... https://twitter.com/fordm/status/1123043476562743296?s=20
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Cythereal posted:Not US news specifically, but, uh, about that climate change... There are many reactions and responses to this, but after the last three years, I think I know the exact response to this. Good, and I can't wait for every other city and our whole species to be wiped from the face of the earth. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Cythereal posted:Not US news specifically, but, uh, about that climate change... I had a hunch, so I read the article and I was correct - it's subsidence caused by excessive groundwater pumping, not climate change. Now, are rising sea levels making that better? Not in the least. At least the central valley in CA and the plains have a bit of space between them and the ocean...
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Sexual Aluminum posted:Yeah a little editorializing is fine. Also, I think the poster is doing it based on complaints by people who dislike the twitter updates that "no context am bad," putting the tweet-poster in a bit of a bind. I love twitter dumps, so I'm ok with the one sentence compromise.
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Rodenthar Drothman posted:I had a hunch, so I read the article and I was correct - it's subsidence caused by excessive groundwater pumping, not climate change. You should Google about what groundwater is going to do specifically in that area as sea levels rise. Professor from Berkeley was in the news about it in the last few weeks, I want to say.
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Cythereal posted:Not US news specifically, but, uh, about that climate change... quote:Researchers say that large parts of the megacity could be entirely submerged by 2050. North Jakarta sunk 2.5m (eight feet) in 10 years and is continuing to sink an average of 1-15cm a year. 2052: President Trump set to win another term as a combination of both coasts being underwater and tough new anti-voting fraud laws have left just under twenty thousand eligible voters in Peoria, Il. Losing Democratic contender Jack Johnson vowed to continue reaching across the sandbags regardless of how many times the GOP 3% Caucus took pot shots at him from behind them. When asked to comment on climate change, Trump drooled out a resounding "Bad... Lock her up... Greatest!", affording us a glimpse into his masterful new policy proposals to prevent further panic about the state of the world.
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mdemone posted:You should Google about what groundwater is going to do specifically in that area as sea levels rise. Professor from Berkeley was in the news about it in the last few weeks, I want to say. You're gonna have to be more specific. My google-fu isn't giving me anything more than "ground going down, water going up." E: whatever the case, this may be veering off topic, but I am very interested. Pm me? Rodenthar Drothman fucked around with this message at 21:25 on Apr 30, 2019 |
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Rodenthar Drothman posted:You're gonna have to be more specific. My google-fu isn't giving me anything more than "ground going down, water going up." i'm going to assume it has something to do with salt water intrusion into the water table, it's a coastal city edit: though that would still mean that it's a problem being exacerbated by global warming, not necessarily caused by it GhostofJohnMuir fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Apr 30, 2019 |
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:i'm going to assume it has something to do with salt water intrusion into the water table, it's a coastal city Yeah, but that's also caused mainly by overextraction, and it has, if not a solution, a mitigation method.
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Charlz Guybon posted:1. drat, it took THAT long for The Incredible Mr. Limpet to get to Russia?
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Sea level rise isn't helping but Jakarta would have the same problem even if global warming were a hoax. (and excessive groundwater mining is a problem in the US too)
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lifetime supply of Pocky posted:Also, I think the poster is doing it based on complaints by people who dislike the twitter updates that "no context am bad," putting the tweet-poster in a bit of a bind. I love twitter dumps, so I'm ok with the one sentence compromise. Those people are angry that they no longer live in a time warp where Twitter doesn't exist, but posting "I agree" after every single tweet is actually worse than that
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Cythereal posted:Not US news specifically, but, uh, about that climate change... Even better Schadenfruede, Jakarta did have geologist mayor/governor for a few years, Governor Purnama. He pushed for measures like stop building in sinking areas and build in land, and stop private water companies from pumping the aquifers under the city dry (half of the sinking is due to this). Developers and water companies did not like him. He lost his reelection and was accused of being a blasphemer against Islam.
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Moktaro posted:drat, it took THAT long for The Incredible Mr. Limpet to get to Russia? I wonder if the Russian belugas ever honeypot our naval belugas.
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Godamnit CNN. Why must you spin that a senate takeover is impossible next year, many months before election?
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:i'm going to assume it has something to do with salt water intrusion into the water table, it's a coastal city Damned if I can remember the details -- and I can't find the link at the moment because my brain is bad. But I'm pretty sure you've got the gist of it.
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