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Not only was I a completely sexless dweeb in high school, I had no idea anything like that was going on, but in retrospect I'm sure my school looked a lot like that one. Closest I think of to a goth jock was probably a girl who threw the discus etc for the track team. Edit: boy am I glad this is at the top of a page
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euphronius posted:The two (I think ) same sex encounters make me wonder about the whole thing. (As in that seems way too low) I make it three, two M-M and one F-F, but only one of those six didn't have an opposite sex partner too.
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HEY GUNS posted:early modern spain Also late antiquity spain.
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Jack2142 posted:Also late antiquity spain.
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Most kf those are probably romantic or semi-sexual yea - these days only 45% of American under 24s report losing their virginity in high school (its dropped about 15% last 10 years - I blame the Internet)
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FuturePastNow posted:Not only was I a completely sexless dweeb in high school, I had no idea anything like that was going on, but in retrospect I'm sure my school looked a lot like that one. Closest I think of to a goth jock was probably a girl who threw the discus etc for the track team. getting a post on the top of the page isn't some spectacular event that needs commenting
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Nothingtoseehere posted:Most kf those are probably romantic or semi-sexual yea - these days only 45% of American under 24s report losing their virginity in high school (its dropped about 15% last 10 years - I blame the Internet) e: it's irritating me that I'm willing to waste time on idle speculation like this but not on digging up the study to actually clear up the issue, which should take like 60 seconds on Google scholar
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Family Values posted:I graduated from high school in the mid 80s before goths were really a thing, so what do I know. ????????????????????   
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I’m fairly sure in the late 70s and 80s that look was “punk”. I graduated in 95 and recall grunge or punk as being your only real options at the time.
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LingcodKilla posted:I’m fairly sure in the late 70s and 80s that look was “punk”. I graduated in 95 and recall grunge or punk as being your only real options at the time. There were goths in Britain in the 80's but not in America till the 90's (before then it was just punk).
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Well goth started out as a subgenre of punk. It didn't really become a distinct subculture of its own until the early 80s when the first goth nightclubs like the Batcave started popping up creating their own separate scene. However the music press had been describing gloomy music like the Doors and The Velvet Underground as "gothic rock" since the late 60s and that term was then used to describe Joy Division and similar bands a decade later. The first American goths appeared in the 80s but they called themselves deathrockers and never reached the mainstream in the same way as their contemporaries in Britain. :Gothsay: FreudianSlippers fucked around with this message at 14:48 on Apr 30, 2019 |
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There was certainly a goth subculture club scene in the US in the 80s, it just wasn't much of a mainstream thing until after movies like Heathers and Beetlejuice in the late 80s. Obviously it really exploded in the 90s when it became a straight up cliche.
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aphid_licker posted:It surprised me that there was no single dot in pink and blue with a number under it representing the people who did not report any contacts so maybe this only shows people who reported at least one contact, however contact was defined. Even if this tracks romantic nonsexual contacts there should be a couple people who reported nothing. http://www.soc.duke.edu/~jmoody77/chains.pdf Reverse image search is your friend. They picked a rural high school where the kids had nothing to do but get drunk with each other outside school, and paid them $20 to take part, so they got a 90% response rate. And yea, they say that only 60% students report being sexually active, and 25% reported no romantic or sexual contacts. Nothingtoseehere fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Apr 30, 2019 |
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euphronius posted:The two (I think ) same sex encounters make me wonder about the whole thing. (As in that seems way too low) The data comes from observations from 1993 to 1995. http://www.soc.duke.edu/~jmoody77/chains.pdf e;f,b.
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Hey, keep the Goth discussion out of this thread about antiquity!
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The codex argenteus is loving rad.
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Grevling posted:Hey, keep the Goth discussion out of this thread about antiquity! Which just made me realize that the Goths (as in Ostro/Visi etc.) aren't included on that chart. Aren't they ancient enough or would they just have been too obvious?
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Are goth jocks metalheads?
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Goth Jocks are just Glenn Danzig. Possibly also Henry Rollins if you're really willing to stretch your Goth Parameters.
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FreudianSlippers posted:Which just made me realize that the Goths (as in Ostro/Visi etc.) aren't included on that chart. The pro move would be ostrogoths as jock/goth, visigoth as nerd/goth (or vice versa)
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SlothfulCobra posted:Are goth jocks metalheads?
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HEY GUNS posted:that subculture in botswana who drive motorcycles and dress like leather cowboys while listening to metal subcultures are so rad
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FreudianSlippers posted:Which just made me realize that the Goths (as in Ostro/Visi etc.) aren't included on that chart. Antiquity ended in 476 AD as far as I'm concerned, so they count.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:The pro move would be ostrogoths as jock/goth, visigoth as nerd/goth (or vice versa) Ostrogoths would be nerd goths since they went whole hog on the Roman cosplay in Italy.
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HookShot posted:Antiquity ended in 476 AD as far as I'm concerned, so they count. What an odd way of writing 1453.
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https://twitter.com/caitlinrgreen/status/1123307246522392576
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Antiquity ended when sliced bread was invented.
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hot take: antiquity will end when we stop living by laws written in antiquity but let's flesh out that dumb claim, whether to disprove or qualify it. how much has the global legal system changed since 'antiquity' 'ended'? like, napoleon's law derived from stuff written by lawyers trained in Beirut under the last Emperor who grew up speaking Latin and a big chunk of the world uses that. is common law old enough to be called antiquity? also i love this graphic i found in the common law wiki (whose History section doesn't really go before 1066, is that antiquity???). it contains All Of The Information 
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Common law in the sense of the English/American legal system really dates from medieval England IIRC. You could probably find some antecedents to that in whatever classical-era Germanic tribes were doing but frankly if you're taking it that far then we're all following the rules set down by whatever caveman figured out bashing your fellow tribesman's head in with a rock to take his wife and sweet cloak wasn't optimal for a smoothly functioning society.
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Grand Fromage posted:There's Josephus, though again, we only have his because he defected to the Romans. Going back ages, but doesn't the Shahnameh sort of work as a Persian account of the Romans (even though it was written post conquest)?
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Cyrano4747 posted:Common law in the sense of the English/American legal system really dates from medieval England IIRC. You could probably find some antecedents to that in whatever classical-era Germanic tribes were doing but frankly if you're taking it that far then we're all following the rules set down by whatever caveman figured out bashing your fellow tribesman's head in with a rock to take his wife and sweet cloak wasn't optimal for a smoothly functioning society. Look at this guy who isn’t strong enough to have a sweet cloak.
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Law is an emergent structure of human interaction pretty much the same everywhere if you deconstruct it to the point of abstraction European continental law is essentially from antiquity. English common law is newer however it got a heavy dose of antiquity slapped on top of it by the normans.
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What’s an accessible intro to early North American cultures? Basically curious about everything from humans arriving up to Columbus (after that happens I feel like I have a much better handle on things from what I’ve read so far).
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tildes posted:What’s an accessible intro to early North American cultures? Basically curious about everything from 1491: A History of the Americas Before Columbus
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:1491: A History of the Americas Before Columbus Agree this is the best book to start with. It's good on its own and will also disabuse you of outdated notions that still are commonly believed/written about the Americas.
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Yeah 1491 is great, as is the followup on the world wide effects of the Colombian exchange, 1493
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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I cannot endorse 1491 strongly enough.
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Great! Checked it out 👍🏻
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https://twitter.com/OwnTheLibsBot/status/1123561453204774912
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Great thank you! Will check it out
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