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Applewhite posted:It only just struck me just now, 20 years later, but why the gently caress didn’t the prequel trilogy center around Alderaan instead of Naboo??? Because why make the universe even smaller? Also it would be weird to have a planet of space hippies be the origin of the emperor who got power due to being on the "lets militarize this bitch" platform and then get casually vaporized by said emperor.
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Apr 30, 2019 09:08
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skasion posted:That won’t do, like the first thing anyone ever even says about hyperspace in Star Wars is that if you don’t calculate your course right you might crash into a star or something. It ain’t like dustin crops boy Only massive objects cast enough of a “gravity shadow” into hyperspace that a ship traveling through hyperspace can collide with it.
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Apr 30, 2019 09:10
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Barudak posted:Because why make the universe even smaller? Also it would be weird to have a planet of space hippies be the origin of the emperor who got power due to being on the "lets militarize this bitch" platform and then get casually vaporized by said emperor. You’re not making the universe smaller it’s called narrative conservation. Princess Leia was a princess of Alderaan so having Vader have an affair with her mom, the queen would have made for a pretty interesting story. Just some itinerant samurai up and cucking the king of Alderaan.
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Apr 30, 2019 09:12
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Applewhite posted:You’re not making the universe smaller it’s called narrative conservation. Princess Leia was a princess of Alderaan so having Vader have an affair with her mom, the queen would have made for a pretty interesting story. The emperor comes from same planet as padme, so he would also be from alderaan, which makes basically every important person be from one of two planets in the universe. I mean you can rework where the emperor is from as part of your changes, but at that point were creating a whole new movie rather than just swapping the planet name. It also loses that fun undercurrent that of course the emperor and senators who support him come from a neoliberal unexamined racism planet and replace it with the Emperor came from hippie land and got his support to become fascist from a nation of avowed pacifists who stay pacifist somehow.
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Apr 30, 2019 09:35
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Barudak posted:The emperor comes from same planet as padme, so he would also be from alderaan, which makes basically every important person be from one of two planets in the universe. I mean you can rework where the emperor is from as part of your changes, but at that point were creating a whole new movie rather than just swapping the planet name. I mean it never says anywhere in the actual films that Alderaan is a hippie planet. There’s a line in ANH where Leia says “Alderaan is peaceful we have no weapons” but I think that’s the most description of Alderaan we ever actually get on screen. They can’t have been THAT pacifist because they were funding the rebellion and obviously have soldiers (those guys with the hats). But your other points still stand and I concede I pictured more changes to the film beyond having it set on Alderaan. It would make no sense for the emperor to blow it up later, either. I guess my real wish is that the prequels hadn’t sucked and that movies today were still as magical as they were in my childhood.
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Apr 30, 2019 09:45
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Barudak posted:The emperor comes from same planet as padme, so he would also be from alderaan, which makes basically every important person be from one of two planets in the universe. I mean you can rework where the emperor is from as part of your changes, but at that point were creating a whole new movie rather than just swapping the planet name. Applewhite posted:I mean it never says anywhere in the actual films that Alderaan is a hippie planet. There’s a line in ANH where Leia says “Alderaan is peaceful we have no weapons” but I think that’s the most description of Alderaan we ever actually get on screen. They can’t have been THAT pacifist because they were funding the rebellion and obviously have soldiers (those guys with the hats). palpatine being from the same planet as padme had no relevance to anything though, he could have been a senator from literally anywhere and been like "I think it's terrible that your planet is besieged by racist chinese stereotypes, if only we had a stronger chancellor..."
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Apr 30, 2019 10:47
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it did have relevance though. palpatine used his own planet because it'd create sympathy towards him in the senate, and he could manipulate amidala (the teenage leader of naboo) into calling for no confidence.
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Apr 30, 2019 10:54
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:it did have relevance though. palpatine used his own planet because it'd create sympathy towards him in the senate, and he could manipulate amidala (the teenage leader of naboo) into calling for no confidence. your hypothesis is that if palpatine was from Corellia then padme would've been like "nah i don't want to call a vote of no confidence, I'm sure my people will be fine for a few more weeks" and that palpatine's ability to manipulate the senate was so tenuous that it was only the fact that being from Naboo is what got him elected those ideas are both dumb as hell and also probably more thought than george lucas ever put into the decision to have palpatine and padme come from the same planet; palpatine is setup as a master manipulator, saying that he needed to come from the same planet from padme in order for any of his plan to work undermines the character
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Apr 30, 2019 11:05
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No no, him being from said besieged planet is what matters. He gets to be a reasonable hard liner, after all his planet is the one under seige.
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Apr 30, 2019 11:07
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Barudak posted:No no, him being from said besieged planet is what matters. He gets to be a reasonable hard liner, after all his planet is the one under seige. that doesn't matter at all, politicians don't need to be personally effected by a cause in order to champion it. in fact if he's from somewhere else then that makes his intentions seem more authentic, as he wouldn't be seen as personally gaining from republic intervention. that way he's seen as not just trying to save his own planet, rather he can claim that he's just doing what is best for the republic.
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Apr 30, 2019 11:15
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QuarkJets posted:your hypothesis is that if palpatine was from Corellia then padme would've been like "nah i don't want to call a vote of no confidence, I'm sure my people will be fine for a few more weeks" well actually quarkjets, you're the one coming up with weird hypotheses and arguing against them. i'm just remembering the script. it isn't the queen's idea to call the vote at all. palpatine suggests it to her, and she does it. palpatine does this because, as the senator of the beleagued planet, he can ride the wave of popular support into being chancellor. if sheev was from corellia, then he would've arranged the plan differently and he never would have dealt with padme. AMIDALA : Chancellor Valorum seems to think there is hope. PALPATINE : If I may say so, Your Majesty, the Chancellor has little real power...he is mired down by baseless accusations of corruption. A manufactured scandal surrounds him. The bureaucrats are in charge now. AMIDALA : What options do we have? PALPATINE : Our best choice would be to push for the election of a stronger Supreme Chancellor. One who will take control of the bureaucrats, enforces the laws, and give us justice. You could call for a vote of no confidence in Chancellor Valorum. AMIDALA : He has been our strongest supporter. Is there any other way? PALPATINE : Our only other choice would to be to submit a plea to the courts... AMIDALA : There's no time for that. The courts take even longer to decide things than the Senate. Our people are dying, Senator...more and more each day. We must do something quickly to stop the Federation. you're arguing from this weird backwards position that's like... someone being from the same planet as someone else can't be a master manipulator? like, it's better to just say you don't like the films and think they're trash than trying to be the smartest man in the room by making things up and coming up with weird writing rules like "palpatine being from the same planet as padme undermines his character" this bad film came out 20 years ago, quarkjets. let go of your hate.
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Apr 30, 2019 11:59
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QuarkJets posted:that doesn't matter at all, politicians don't need to be personally effected by a cause in order to champion it. this is really funny when you remember that people don't actually care about things like 'doing what's best for the republic' but if you had sad holograms of old man palpatine looking sad and imploring the people of the republic to 'please help me save my planet' he'd get ten thousand space likes and so on. otherwise, i'd like to live in the world you think we live in, where the people of the world rebels against inauthentic intentions and politicians don't champion causes they benefit from.
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Apr 30, 2019 12:07
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How many people in the republic changed their spacebook profile picture to a pic of sad sheev in solidarity
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Apr 30, 2019 12:10
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-B1sink-nY
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Apr 30, 2019 12:12
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skasion posted:How many people in the republic changed their spacebook profile picture to a pic of sad sheev in solidarity Most of the citizens of Canto Blight right before going back to being rich as gently caress.
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Apr 30, 2019 12:14
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QuarkJets posted:that doesn't matter at all, politicians don't need to be personally effected by a cause in order to champion it. It's okay to admit someone else has a point sometimes You don't always have to argue that you're right
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Apr 30, 2019 12:35
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skasion posted:How many people in the republic changed their spacebook profile picture to a pic of sad sheev in solidarity Je suis the Senate
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Apr 30, 2019 12:42
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really cool of rose and finn to save the animals but not the child slaves
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Apr 30, 2019 12:43
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I still think the prequels' time would have been better spent revealing more about Alderaan and the origins of the rebellion than the rise of the empire. Maybe dedicate the second half of the second movie and the entire third movie to Vader hunting down the Jedi Kill Bill style instead of having them all getting massacred in a montage.
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Apr 30, 2019 12:45
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Tiberius Christ posted:really cool of rose and finn to save the animals but not the child slaves Animal charities consistently get more donations than starving child or poverty charities so that's pretty much par for the course I guess.
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Apr 30, 2019 12:46
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See you thought the heroes would be good people who would rescue child slaves but your expectations? Subverted.
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Apr 30, 2019 12:47
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Tiberius Christ posted:really cool of rose and finn to save the animals but not the child slaves children are gross tho
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Apr 30, 2019 12:57
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I hire rian Hohnson got paid well for this movie because he, quite literally, will never work in Hollywood ever again.
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Apr 30, 2019 13:02
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poisonpill posted:I hire rian Hohnson got paid well for this movie because he, quite literally, will never work in Hollywood ever again. What about Bollywood? Can he find work in Bollywood??
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Apr 30, 2019 13:09
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Applewhite posted:What about Bollywood? Can he find work in Bollywood?? Sure until he subverts expectations and actually has the lead couple kiss on screen and is sent to jail.
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Apr 30, 2019 13:15
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Applewhite posted:I still think the prequels' time would have been better spent revealing more about Alderaan and the origins of the rebellion than the rise of the empire. Maybe dedicate the second half of the second movie and the entire third movie to Vader hunting down the Jedi Kill Bill style instead of having them all getting massacred in a montage. Alderaan doesn’t matter tbh. Seeing it explode is dramatically successful even though we know nothing about it except through the figure of Leia. We care about it because Leia cares. In movies that of necessity are not really gonna feature Leia, I think it was a good decision to not really feature Alderaan.
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Apr 30, 2019 13:25
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skasion posted:Alderaan doesn’t matter tbh. Seeing it explode is dramatically successful even though we know nothing about it except through the figure of Leia. We care about it because Leia cares. In movies that of necessity are not really gonna feature Leia, I think it was a good decision to not really feature Alderaan. Yeah but it features Leia's mom tho. It would be a lot less convoluted if Leia were actually a princess of the planet by birth as opposed to secret adoption by Bail Organa at the last minute.
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Apr 30, 2019 13:30
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I wonder if the prequels will ever get rebooted...
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Apr 30, 2019 13:30
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Moola posted:I wonder if the prequels will ever get rebooted... Someday, after Disney has fallen and good movies can be made once again.
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Apr 30, 2019 13:32
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Here's how it works; you got to accelerate to light-speed/hyperspace and then decelerate out of it. Those are the times/distances where you can possibly collide with stars, spaceships, etc. but once you are in hyperspace you are safe. So the Holdo maneuver only works if you are near enough to someone that you'd hit them before getting to light-speed.
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Apr 30, 2019 13:42
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Applewhite posted:Yeah but it features Leia's mom tho. It would be a lot less convoluted if Leia were actually a princess of the planet by birth as opposed to secret adoption by Bail Organa at the last minute. The narrative contrivance of the secret adoption comes in because Lucas had been written into a corner (mostly by himself) when Leia becomes Luke’s sister all of a sudden in Return. Vader obviously knows who he had kids with, so if Leia were just straight-up from the same family as his former gf/wife, he would have thought it obvious that she was his kid from the beginning, the same way he obviously thinks of Luke as his kid as soon as he knows his name is Skywalker. Because he clearly doesn’t behave that way in Hope/Empire and it’s obvious that he finds out about Leia by sensing Luke’s emotions, Lucas had to come up with some reason why Vader wouldn’t have expected his daughter to be an Organa, which pretty much precludes his wife having been one.
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Apr 30, 2019 13:42
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SW:FTFY SW:IMHO SW:ROTFL
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Apr 30, 2019 13:58
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Vomik posted:All the horses got spooked by the sound of ships taking off and ran off the cliff to their death Poor Dreckles, thought of hyper-drives and died. Finn and Rose considered what they did there an inspiring message to give to the kids about the Resistance. Yet they failed horribly and didn't realize it: The most obvious problem is that they chose to rescue the weird horseman things instead of the actual slave children. And if I'm not mistaken the casino city was on an island, so the horses won't actually be escaping since they will eventually get rounded up and put back in their pens. This makes the attempted rescue a pointless failure. Then the slave kids are going to get punished later because of the place getting busted up and will probably be accused of helping them. Real inspiring message to give the younger generation.
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Apr 30, 2019 14:07
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Uhm broadstroke ineffective gestures are the whole point. It's like liberals having a protest.
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Apr 30, 2019 14:10
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The real, hidden message is that liberals are well meaning but loving retarded and if you want to see positive, long lasting changes towards freedom and equality you need to be ruthless (see Robespierre, Stalin, Pol Pot...)
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skasion posted:The narrative contrivance of the secret adoption comes in because Lucas had been written into a corner (mostly by himself) when Leia becomes Luke’s sister all of a sudden in Return. Vader obviously knows who he had kids with, so if Leia were just straight-up from the same family as his former gf/wife, he would have thought it obvious that she was his kid from the beginning, the same way he obviously thinks of Luke as his kid as soon as he knows his name is Skywalker. Because he clearly doesn’t behave that way in Hope/Empire and it’s obvious that he finds out about Leia by sensing Luke’s emotions, Lucas had to come up with some reason why Vader wouldn’t have expected his daughter to be an Organa, which pretty much precludes his wife having been one. Well then why didn't Luke change his last name and not go to live with his relatives on Tatooine??? What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Like, it's not ok for Leia to stay with her family but it makes perfect sense for Luke to stay with his.
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Apr 30, 2019 14:11
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Moola posted:I wonder if the prequels will ever get rebooted... i really do think they had this on the cards until the down-in-flames popular reception of TLJ and the utter bomb that was Solo. like, they set up time travel that could change the past in rebels and had been going out of their way to avoid mentioning anything from the prequels (as interpreted by george lucas.) for example, mustafar is the only planet in rogue one to not be named with a title card, and the only planet featured from the prequels featured so far in the disney films at all. the only mention of them has been luke's little comment about darth sidious in TLJ, and it's very general. "At the height of their powers, they allowed Darth Sidious to rise, create the Empire, and wipe them out. It was a Jedi Master who was responsible for the training and creation of Darth Vader." this could be anything. one could argue it's not even that accurate to the prequels as they stand, even if you account for luke's agenda in the scene as is. if we see anything in episode 9 that is a clear, unambigious reference to the prequels as made by lucas (say, for example, hayden christensen appearing as anakin, gungans, mention of the trade federation plot, whatever) then i'll be astounded. bail organa and mon mothma are the exceptions to this, but they're only in rogue one, and it's quite conceivable to construct a set of three prequels where they don't feature at all. Milkfred E. Moore fucked around with this message at 14:16 on Apr 30, 2019 |
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poisonpill posted:I hire rian Hohnson got paid well for this movie because he, quite literally, will never work in Hollywood ever again.
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Applewhite posted:Well then why didn't Luke change his last name and not go to live with his relatives on Tatooine??? What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Like, it's not ok for Leia to stay with her family but it makes perfect sense for Luke to stay with his. Luke is hidden in plain sight, Leia is just the regular kind of hidden. The Jedi hedged their bets with the kids basically, they took advantage of the fact that apparently nobody but Padmé expected twins to put the ole bamboozle on Darth. If he went looking for Skywalkers to kill/subvert, he finds one and gets him and everybody is happy. But I mean like, I’m not talking about the in-universe logic of it at all here. It’s just a bit of continuity fudging on Lucas’ part to cover why neither Leia nor Vader would have the slightest idea that they’re related, since that was established from the first movie.
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