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Agean90 posted:Then all the good kids move away for a place with an actual economy while the racist shits stay and leech off their dads car lot. maybe 20 years ago. today most poor kids can't afford to go anywhere. some go and get a college degree, realize they can't get a job, move back in with their parents and work part-time at a convenience store or fast food place. others don't go to college and are stuck competing for those same jobs with the college grads
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going to a public school that's making an effort at desegregation and participating in sports and other extra curriculars gives people a good chance at deracialized socialization this is why i think rurals who hate urbans for being effete and out of touch are bordering on self parody. White people in urbanized blue areas are plenty receptive to left politicians and policies. There's nothing inherently noble and salt of the earth about rural living cargo cult has issued a correction as of 13:19 on May 2, 2019 |
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Checking in from one the poorest, rural parts Ohio. In all my grade school years, we had exactly 2 non-whites. Rich farmers (which is all that are left beside hobby farmers) are mad, but will still vote R I could write a lot about racism here, but I’ll just say ‘intellectual’ racist are almost non-existent There is no revolution coming from this area. People barely make it out to vote Dr.Caligari has issued a correction as of 13:23 on May 2, 2019 |
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May 2, 2019 13:20
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Serf posted:i went to public school where the population was roughly 60/40 white/black and i turned out just fine along with most of my peers
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cargo cult posted:going to a public school that's making an effort at desegregation and participating in sports and other extra curriculars gives people a good chance at deracialized socialization i think the "urban libs" label you're talking about generally describes someone white, with a well-paying job who plays at being non-racist but is just nervous about these redistributive economic ideas for some odd reason
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May 2, 2019 13:23
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Serf posted:i think the "urban libs" label you're talking about generally describes someone white, with a well-paying job who plays at being non-racist but is just nervous about these redistributive economic ideas for some odd reason
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May 2, 2019 13:26
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cargo cult posted:urban liberals, in my conception are black, hispanic and asian liberals who represent the left wing of the democratic party spectrum. maybe there are a lot of white liberals who vote along with them but i don't think they're secretly nervous about redistributive policies unless they're 1%ers who happen to live in Rittenhouse square or whatever well then that's where our disconnect comes from, because the people i'm talking about are different from the people you're talking about
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May 2, 2019 13:27
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there are tens of millions of left leaning urban white people who are squarely in the lower middle class, middle middle or upper middle class. you can't just convince yourselves those demographics don't exist anymore because hillary lost by 150,000 votes spread across 3 rustbelt states
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Serf posted:well then that's where our disconnect comes from, because the people i'm talking about are different from the people you're talking about What’s the single biggest difference in priority you noticed between living with urban liberals and rural liberals?
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Subjunctive posted:What’s the single biggest difference in priority you noticed between living with urban liberals and rural liberals? i haven't lived with urban liberals, except during college (which was a school in a rural area), so i dunno how they behave in their natural habitat. i mostly know them from online
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May 2, 2019 13:32
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Serf posted:i went to public school where the population was roughly 60/40 white/black and i turned out just fine along with most of my peers cargo cult posted:are you white or black if i can ask?
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An insane mind posted:White genocide is a good thing and it's too bad it's not really happening because without it a lot of bad regimes and groups would just loving die out. As a white person I want to end white supremacy but if all of us got wiped out the human race would just choose another "superior" skin color and the cycle would start all over again. What we need to eradicate is human selfishness and greed and the ability to acquire great wealth and power over others.
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May 2, 2019 13:49
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lol white genocide would not be a desirable outcome even if it were a real possibility
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May 2, 2019 13:54
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Elephant Ambush posted:As a white person I want to end white supremacy but if all of us got wiped out the human race would just choose another "superior" skin color and the cycle would start all over again. What we need to eradicate is human selfishness and greed and the ability to acquire great wealth and power over others. Race is deliberately constructed and maintained as a category. It’s not some accident or a manifestation of inherent human quality. There are historical reasons for white supremacy and, if we’re smart about it, there’s no reason race should emerge as the organizational logic of society. Remember that Catholics and “ethnic” whites were once subjected to racial othering but are now considered white.
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no, you can't Elephant Ambush posted:As a white person I want to end white supremacy but if all of us got wiped out the human race would just choose another "superior" skin color and the cycle would start all over again. What we need to eradicate is human selfishness and greed and the ability to acquire great wealth and power over others. never forget that in america the whole concept of the white race was invented by the wealthy to create a buffer between themselves and a unified underclass. and as time goes on, they've expanded the definition of "white" to reinforce that buffer. but it seems to me that there's really no more expanding to be done
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May 2, 2019 14:01
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Serf posted:no, you can't
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cargo cult posted:so you're an Irish people used to be slaves type of guy? shut the gently caress up liberal
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May 2, 2019 14:05
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cargo cult posted:so you're an Irish people used to be slaves type of guy? all my reading says that this is a myth. do you have some evidence that it isn't?
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May 2, 2019 14:08
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cargo cult posted:so you're an Irish people used to be slaves type of guy? SUCCCCC
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Elephant Ambush posted:As a white person I want to end white supremacy but if all of us got wiped out the human race would just choose another "superior" skin color and the cycle would start all over again. What we need to eradicate is human selfishness and greed and the ability to acquire great wealth and power over others. Agean90 posted:shut the gently caress up liberal
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May 2, 2019 14:10
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White genocide is inevitable. Global warming will see to that.
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May 2, 2019 14:12
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Agean90 posted:shut the gently caress up liberal
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Meltdown May charging ahead with a dispelled line of argumentation from over six months ago "kill all rurals" is a hell of a throwback
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Serf posted:no, you can't Arabs were 100% in the whiteness pipeline before 9/11. Latinx people probably could have made it too if the neoliberal order had persisted another 50+ years, as Bush was absolutely toying with the idea of a latinx coalition in his first term. To have whiteness you really only need blackness to resolve it into clarity. I had a history professor who was born in Alabama in the 70s to Chinese immigrant parents and her birth certificate says “white” because the race section is just two checkboxes, the other one being “black.” Her parents were confused but it was explained to them that the most important criterion for determining race was whether or not one was black.
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Lol, advocating for white genocide. I've got a somewhat relevant anecdote: the province of Ontario recently elected Doug Ford as premier. The brother of Rob Ford. Yes, that loving Rob Ford. Last year, the liberal party (basically centrist Dems) had just inexplicably passed some of the first new labour laws of consequence for the poor in a while, including a minimum wage hike and things like paid sick and bereavement days for every employee in the province. Naturally, one of the first things the Ford government did after taking power (right after forcing schools to adopt the 1993 sex ed curriculum because can't acknowledge gay people exist or talk about the crazy socialist concept of consent) was to claw these laws back. This all cam into effect this year and some of the guys I manage, who were pretty much all vocal Ford supporters, are slowly realising that they really liked paid sick days and how lovely it is to suffer financially for something that's out of their control. Naturally they redirect their anger towards management for screwing them out of paid sick days instead of the guy they elected who took away their sick days. On the whole, it's rather sad because now I see guys coming into work sick because they can't afford a day off, instead of staying home and recovering faster (and not getting their co-workers sick as well). In short, it's not just you that's dumb as hell, America. Rampant stupidity respects no border.
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are you guys seriously about to argue that black chattel slavery wasn't distinct from the practice of indentured servitude? Black slaves were born into slavery as were their descendants. Indentured servitude existed on a finite timeline. White supremacy has had explicitly defined legal proscriptions since the founding of the country.
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Serf posted:never forget that in america the whole concept of the white race was invented by the wealthy to create a buffer between themselves and a unified underclass. and as time goes on, they've expanded the definition of "white" to reinforce that buffer. but it seems to me that there's really no more expanding to be done This is saying it better than I did. White supremacy was created to protect wealth and power and the desire for wealth and power spans all humans. Yes, we're not born greedy selfish little shits but as long as there is the ability to acquire more wealth and power than other people we will always have the problem of people being attracted to that and protecting it if they manage it.
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cargo cult posted:are you guys seriously about to argue that black chattel slavery wasn't distinct from the practice of indentured servitude? Black slaves were born into slavery as were their descendants. Indentured servitude existed on a finite timeline. White supremacy has had explicitly defined legal proscriptions since the founding of the country. The only person arguing that is you dumb gently caress lmao
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gbut posted:I wake up at 9am and then bitch and moan for an hour in bed before falling back to sleep. Thank you for your service Mr. President.
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Agean90 posted:The only person arguing that is you dumb gently caress lmao
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cargo cult posted:there was never a conception of a "unified underclass," fuckface. White supremacy has consistently defined itself in opposition to black slaves and their descendants. White sharecroppers could never have shared their underclass status. maybe read zinn where he talks about how black slaves and white workers in the colonies did actually join forces on several occasions and had to be crushed by military force, and this was an issue until the introduction of the privileged white race concept
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cargo cult posted:nazbols rise up
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ah genocide at 9am hello daycrew
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Serf posted:maybe read zinn where he talks about how black slaves and white workers in the colonies did actually join forces on several occasions and had to be crushed by military force, and this was an issue until the introduction of the privileged white race concept Yeah the example everyone knows about is John Brown, which absolutely scared the poo poo out of all the racists and people in power. I think underclass solidarity was rare enough and crushed in its infancy specifically to prevent us from discussing it now. Especially now after an extra 150 years of racial division where it seems even more unthinkable.
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Serf posted:i think the "urban libs" label you're talking about generally describes someone white, with a well-paying job who plays at being non-racist but is just nervous about these redistributive economic ideas for some odd reason And I think lots of the people throwing that label around have internalized Republican propaganda about the urban/coasts being largely made up of latte sipping suburbs, and purposefully obscures that there are tons of minorities and even urban working class whites in these areas.
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The actual definition of white genocide is race mixing driven by white women rejecting white men, so it is good actually. This is how white supremacists understand and use the term, so it’s not like people have ever used it to describe an actual antifa pogrom against car dealership managers or something, except without understanding how the term is used.
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there wasn’t a unified underclass but the idea there could be was absolutely a threat they feared. It’s why racism was introduced to Haiti as an example.
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Serf posted:i haven't lived with urban liberals, except during college (which was a school in a rural area), so i dunno how they behave in their natural habitat. i mostly know them from online ah, ok. I only know my relatives and a few friends when it comes to rural liberals (and I definitely don’t mean leftist), and they’re pretty different from what I see online, but it’s a pretty small sample and they’re people I have a bias towards anyway. I’ve found them much less likely to call people out on racist or...genderist? speech than urban counterparts, but I’d love to find something systematic to read.
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Halloween Jack posted:Racism is not an inherent and ineradicable part of human nature. It's a specific ideology. You might as well say that another species would reinvent, say, Hinduism all over again. Tribalistic thinking is absolutely a common theme across time and space throughout human history. When upper classes utilize it they're taking advantage of a pre-existing bug, not inventing it whole-cloth.
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