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Damo posted:i didnt mean to say that more money = good movie, should have worded it better I think its more a sign that the entire premise is hollow and lovely at this point yet people still try to convince themselves that the Main Canon is worth their money every couple years because they're locked into a cycle of consumer therapy.
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:This is very, very accurate. Jedi has its moments tho, and all the dumbass creature features in Jabba's palace (theatrical version) were entertaining. ROTJ was better than any prequel movie by a longshot but I wish it didn't try to reproduce the story beats of A New Hope so blatantly. Jabba's palace had cool alien work but was also aping the cantina scene in a lot of ways. George Lucas couldn't even bother to have that segment take place on a different planet. Put that poo poo on a temperate planet, Jabba is a wealthy crime lord he shouldn't be living in a rusty shack on a planet that was previously established as a backwater shithole. Anyway, ROTJ definitely had its moments
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TheIncredulousHulk posted:
That bit of dialogue stuck with me too just because of how unnecessary it was. They were just showing Poe mowing through tie fighters with greater ease than any other pilot we’ve seen on screen so far. We get it he’s good. Kudos I guess for the hotshot pilot actually being a hotshot pilot on screen instead of just telling us. For being a vanilla storm trooper Finn sure got a lot of cross training.
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QuarkJets posted:ROTJ was better than any prequel movie by a longshot but I wish it didn't try to reproduce the story beats of A New Hope so blatantly. Jabba's palace had cool alien work but was also aping the cantina scene in a lot of ways. George Lucas couldn't even bother to have that segment take place on a different planet. Put that poo poo on a temperate planet, Jabba is a wealthy crime lord he shouldn't be living in a rusty shack on a planet that was previously established as a backwater shithole. I'd call ROTJ a mostly good movie in general, with lots of iconic and entertaining segments and moments. It's flawed mostly in relation to the other two in that it's pretty much a traditional sequel to ANH, where ESB is like the gold standard of how to do a sequel that is both different and better than the original, it also kind of rushes past and does little with many of the things from Empire, Yoda just dies, Obi Wan, who before was just a voice in Luke's head, appears in full on ghost form and sits down on a log for expository diaogue, and Han Solo who went through alot of character development in Empire and whose rescue is the focus of the first third of the movie kind of just ends up being a useless character who has to be given something to do by the script. There's the Ewoks as well, but they aren't really thaaat bad I think on their own, though them defeating the Empire so seemingly easily (or at all) kind of makes the Empire look silly and laughable where the last two movies actually treated them as a serious threat (and this movie would like you to believe this still is the case). Also good point about it being kind of stupid, and unnecessary that Jabba's palace is on Tatooine. They are only there to rescue Han from Jabba, there's no reason for it to be on Tatoo, have it be on the Hutt homeworld, or something else fitting for a slug gangster, like a casino city or something. Just some kind of environment that hadn't yet been done in the movies. Again a point that this isn't really so bad on its own, but only in relation to the other two. I also like to note how, out of the three prequels, Episode 1 is easily the one that most effort went into making, they made models and shot lots of stuff on location. They even used a (bad) pupppet to play Yoda and had the dude playing Jar Jar actually be present on set so people could try to actually pretend they were interacting with something. Episode 1 is also easily the biggest trainwreck of the three prequels, and if you've ever seen the behind the scenes stuff it shows that Lucas and the rest of the production team knew this but realized it was too late and they wouldn't be able to save it in editing like with ANH. Lucas also seems really frustrated and exhausted with it all, kind of like how he was making ANH, which is a large part of the reason why the other two OT movies doesn't have him directing. Kind of odd that instead of hiring someone else to direct II and III he instead decided to just phone them in, it's easy to see why they were made because Episode I made money and Lucas made even more off of toys and licensing, but he could have still held off on doing the actual directing himself because it's obvious that not nearly the same effort went into making II and III as I (unless you count making sure you can film as much of the movies as possible on a sound stage while sitting in a chair drinking coffee as effort). I guess the difference might be explained with ANH actually ending up being a good movie, that could be saved in the editing room, while episode I was just a terrible movie that did well, and Lucas thought he had to kind of prove himself again, but didn't really want to actually expend the effort to do so.
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RaySmuckles posted:
The word you're looking for is pacing, I think
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Moridin920 posted:The word you're looking for is pacing, I think yeah, pacing, but also setting and character development. a movie can have insane pacing that works, like Crank. its just that star wars isn't it and the sequel trilogy just feels paced like a crazy action movie instead of a space opera get me HQ! posted:if you didn't think the scarif battle was cool then like, what is it exactly you like about star wars? the best space battle is from A New Hope where the rebels orchestrate an attack in a coordinated manner. you get to know many of the pilots and their roll in the attack (such as bombing(gold) leader and fighter(red) leader). its kind of slow and boring because that's how "battles" were in ww2 which its based off. no one goes off and does anything insane or unbelievable. luke gets saved by the coherent actions of another character, furthering/completing established arcs. it just works on every level and the one "magical" thing that happens is also a part of the plot and a character's arc. return of the jedi is the worst of the OT but at least it follows through on the interesting themes set up by the trilogy. the luke/vader confrontation, the rejection of violence, the redemption: its all pretty good. and the space battle is easily the most "exciting" but certainly not perfect. rotj works because it successfully concludes the saga and its overarching narratives/themes. it actually ties everything together well enough and doesn't detract from the previous films.
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RaySmuckles posted:the best space battle is from A New Hope where the rebels orchestrate an attack in a coordinated manner. you get to know many of the pilots and their roll in the attack (such as bombing(gold) leader and fighter(red) leader). its kind of slow and boring because that's how "battles" were in ww2 which its based off. no one goes off and does anything insane or unbelievable. luke gets saved by the coherent actions of another character, furthering/completing established arcs. it just works on every level and the one "magical" thing that happens is also a part of the plot and a character's arc. I don't disagree with any of this, I guess what I'm saying is in addition to all of this stuff, when I'm watching star wars I definitely want to get stoned and watch a cool-rear end space battle, and for me, scarif delivered on that. You aren't wrong that the characters in rogue are whatever, but knowing what the stakes are for the mission worked for me as a decent substitute to give it emotional impact, and it's pretty intense how after a certain point every character on screen knows its a suicide mission but is still going 100% all out like in terms of ranking the battle scenes: - ANH and ROTJ for the reasons you stated, ROTJ probably the best space battle ever committed to film - Scarif imo is loving dope - The start of ep 3 is good but bogged down with a lot of prequel baggage - ep 1 gets honorable mention for at least having a space battle but it wasn't that cool - ep 7 starkiller assault not very good imo, also not much of a space battle - 2, 5, 8, solo no large scale fighting in space to speak of. I will shout out 2 for cool sound effects when the Slave I drops those seismic mines to try and kill kenobi. space chase in 8 the less said the better.
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Didn’t Lucas have to direct episode I because he was on the outs with the SAG or something? I seem to remember him getting flak for not having opening credits (because it would ruin the cleanliness of the opening crawl) and eventually it resulted in him not being allowed to use guild directors or something.
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Randarkman posted:I'd call ROTJ a mostly good movie in general, with lots of iconic and entertaining segments and moments. It's flawed mostly in relation to the other two in that it's pretty much a traditional sequel to ANH, where ESB is like the gold standard of how to do a sequel that is both different and better than the original, it also kind of rushes past and does little with many of the things from Empire, Yoda just dies, Obi Wan, who before was just a voice in Luke's head, appears in full on ghost form and sits down on a log for expository diaogue, and Han Solo who went through alot of character development in Empire and whose rescue is the focus of the first third of the movie kind of just ends up being a useless character who has to be given something to do by the script. There's the Ewoks as well, but they aren't really thaaat bad I think on their own, though them defeating the Empire so seemingly easily (or at all) kind of makes the Empire look silly and laughable where the last two movies actually treated them as a serious threat (and this movie would like you to believe this still is the case). I agree completely. Especially with the point that no amount of editing could save The Phantom Menace, not without turning it into a television episode or merging it with the second movie (which iirc one of the fan edit projects does this because TPM is almost completely superfluous)
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Vim Fuego posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFMyMxMYDNk this is a pro click
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It's be a real hoot if in the middle of all this stringent Star Wars analysis there was a bunch of stuff about keeping a rape slave in our basement. Who wants a pizza roll?
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Pawg From Produce posted:It's be a real hoot if in the middle of all this stringent Star Wars analysis there was a bunch of stuff about keeping a rape slave in our basement. Who wants a pizza roll? It's like they specifically wanted to make sharing the video to new people as awkward as it could possibly be.
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Chomp8645 posted:It's like they specifically wanted to make sharing the video to new people as awkward as it could possibly be. It’s still a lot less awkward than every single other YouTube Star Wars review, even if Plinkett were a real person!
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Pawg From Produce posted:It's be a real hoot if in the middle of all this stringent Star Wars analysis there was a bunch of stuff about keeping a rape slave in our basement. Who wants a pizza roll? actually the best parts because all that stuff about the star war is booooorrrrrrriiiiiinnnnnnggggg
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Pawg From Produce posted:It's be a real hoot if in the middle of all this stringent Star Wars analysis there was a bunch of stuff about keeping a rape slave in our basement. Who wants a pizza roll? Please don't spoil the next star wars movie In fact didn't revenge of the sith mention that amakin's mom was sold off to some fat dude to become his bride, and everyone just acts like that's cool and normal? QuarkJets fucked around with this message at 05:16 on May 7, 2019 |
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QuarkJets posted:Please don't spoil the next star wars movie By that point I think everyone just wanted to get it over with.
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QuarkJets posted:Please don't spoil the next star wars movie "Uncle owen" who gets spit roasted by storm troopers while Luke is out joy riding with Ol Ben is one of their kids, or his kid, or whatever, so yea e: in fact I think he and whatever the aunt's name is are seen and mentioned by name in the movie when Anakin brings his mom back to bury her. Which brings me RIGHT BACK to my original point that maybe hiding Anakins kid on the planet he's from, in the house he knows, with his own family, who he's met an knows by name, right next to the tomb of his force receptive Virgin Mary of a mother that would presumably be pretty 'force sensitive area' might not have been THE MOST ORIGINAL IDEA. BUT WHATEVER I'M NOT STILL BITTER ABOUT THAT Big Beef City fucked around with this message at 05:30 on May 7, 2019 |
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Big Beef City posted:"Uncle owen" who gets spit roasted by storm troopers while Luke is out joy riding with Ol Ben is one of their kids, or his kid, or whatever, so yea I get the feeling that the whole “hid the children to protect them” plot was made up after the fact.
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The rise of lukes dick
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In fact, before Episode I came out I’d always assumed Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru weren’t even natives of Tatooine but had moved there with Luke after things went bad with Vader.
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Big Beef City posted:"Uncle owen" who gets spit roasted by storm troopers while Luke is out joy riding with Ol Ben is one of their kids, or his kid, or whatever, so yea Think of it this way: have you ever spent like 30 minutes looking for your car keys only to discover they were in your pocket the entire time?
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maybe uncle owen and aunt beru were made up fake characters created for the purpose of giving the protagonist a personal reason to fight back against the antagonists and thus make the story more emotional
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Vader wasn't even planned to be Luke's father when they made the first movie, don't believe George's lies
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jimmyjams posted:maybe uncle owen and aunt beru were made up fake characters created for the purpose of giving the protagonist a personal reason to fight back against the antagonists and thus make the story more emotional Oh poo poo you think?
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Given JJ's track record, I feel pretty confident in calling TROS right now. If the Emperor is alive, Kylo is going to kill him, be fatally stricken, and redeemed by Rey, because I'm 99% sure that's what he had in mind for Snoke in the final installment, but Rian blew his load early.
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Blistex posted:Given JJ's track record, I feel pretty confident in calling TROS right now. Kylo Ren, through new mask he bought: "I just want to see you... with my own eyes."
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Applewhite posted:Kylo Ren, through new mask he bought: "I just want to see you... with my own eyes." Porg uprising is pivotal to the defeat of the First Order.
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Blistex posted:Porg uprising is pivotal to the defeat of the First Order. Starkiller Base II is bigger than a star and has a captive sun inside to provide power.
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Applewhite posted:Starkiller Base II is bigger than a star and has a captive sun inside to provide power. Poe grabs Lando's man-boob while moving him to safety after he sustains a blaster wound.
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Applewhite posted:In fact, before Episode I came out I’d always assumed Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru weren’t even natives of Tatooine but had moved there with Luke after things went bad with Vader. and in just this one post you've already spent more time thinking about the plot of the prequels than George Lucas ever did.
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I think the main purpose of the aunt beru character was to firmly establish the existence of blue milk in the star wars universe.
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Aunt Beru owned because she was firmly aware of how much boring rear end being a moisture farmer sucked and was in favor of her young nephew going and having fun.
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Applewhite posted:Didn’t Lucas have to direct episode I because he was on the outs with the SAG or something? I seem to remember him getting flak for not having opening credits (because it would ruin the cleanliness of the opening crawl) and eventually it resulted in him not being allowed to use guild directors or something. The conflict was that the Directors Guild mandated that the director be given the first credit, and as we all know (even those that pretend otherwise) Irvin Kershner of Robocop 2 fame directed ESB, but the guild insisted that actually the Lucasfilm logo was the first credit, since it has the name "Lucas" in it. They demanded a huge fine for violating the rules, even though Kershner said he didn't care and that it was George's film anyway. So Lucas paid the fine and left the Directors Guild and the Writers Guild, which meant he couldn't get Spielberg to direct RotJ. This was however not why he chose to direct TPM. He actually asked a number of directors, including Spielberg, to do it, but they all told him he should do it himself, so eventually he did.
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Mooey Cow posted:The conflict was that the Directors Guild mandated that the director be given the first credit, and as we all know (even those that pretend otherwise) Irvin Kershner of Robocop 2 fame directed ESB, but the guild insisted that actually the Lucasfilm logo was the first credit, since it has the name "Lucas" in it. They demanded a huge fine for violating the rules, even though Kershner said he didn't care and that it was George's film anyway. Should have got Paul Verhoven of Robocop 1 fame to direct. I wanna see THAT Star Wars.
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Steven Speilberg: *looks up from the script for The Phantom Menace after reading how Anakin is owned by a tiny jew with wings* "oh george uh I'd be honored to direct this, but I really, really think that you should do it"
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Mooey Cow posted:Ironically, it appears that Verhoeven went back to Holland because those were the only kinds of projects he was offered in America, and he just wasn't very interested in sci-fi to begin with. He's so good at it though 
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