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awesmoe
Nov 30, 2005

Pillbug

Oracle posted:

No this is legit, military's been warning them about their potential 5G security issues for years. Then after they found the tiny little microchips on motherboards all that doomsaying took on new urgency.

All the tech companies involved in this story deny it, and no other reporting outfit has collaborated the reporting (and they tried). It is probably not true.

Having said that, you'd be dumb to assume huawei is not in bed with the chinese government (much like you'd be dumb to assume US based vendors don't also have backdoors)

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LiterallyAnything
Jul 11, 2008

by vyelkin
As far as I've seen that Bloomberg article is the only "first-hand" source of those accusations. I absolutely don't doubt the possibility, and probability, that the Chinese government had Huawei add some back-door tech to some of their hardware. This is something that has been talked about for years that the US itself was doing with Cisco's, and others, networking hardware around the globe.

However, consider the timing of that article. Huawei surpasses Apple in mobile sales in China, its largest foreign market. Apple was at the time the largest US company (and, depending on the day, still is; at least in the top three, along with Amazon and Microsoft). Trump has complained about China even before his presidency, writing years ago how he wanted a chance to negotiate with them. We are currently in a state of *national emergency* due to the trade war with China. Maybe I'm being ludicrous, but I'm honestly having a hard time believing that the entire Huawei spying thing is more than an orchestrated effort by the US to maintain technological influence globally. There's no better distraction than singling someone else out for doing the exact same thing you are.

My fear is that there's no real solution to this. If the US is doing it then China is doing it then the US is doing it etc etc. Given the current global economic climate I'm not optimistic about the possible scenarios that will play out as a result of the world's two largest economic powers playing a game of tug-o-war with international trade. I feel that the point at which one side prohibits the other from doing business in its country entirely is a huge "line in the sand". Historically, trade disputes often preface actual war.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013
Probation
Can't post for 18 hours!
Huawei is basically Chinese State Cybercrimes: The Company. It's not a recent phenomenon.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

Fuligin posted:

more shoddy than shady tbh

And more than a little shonky.

yronic heroism
Oct 31, 2008

LiterallyAnything posted:

As far as I've seen that Bloomberg article is the only "first-hand" source of those accusations. I absolutely don't doubt the possibility, and probability, that the Chinese government had Huawei add some back-door tech to some of their hardware. This is something that has been talked about for years that the US itself was doing with Cisco's, and others, networking hardware around the globe.

However, consider the timing of that article. Huawei surpasses Apple in mobile sales in China, its largest foreign market. Apple was at the time the largest US company (and, depending on the day, still is; at least in the top three, along with Amazon and Microsoft). Trump has complained about China even before his presidency, writing years ago how he wanted a chance to negotiate with them. We are currently in a state of *national emergency* due to the trade war with China. Maybe I'm being ludicrous, but I'm honestly having a hard time believing that the entire Huawei spying thing is more than an orchestrated effort by the US to maintain technological influence globally. There's no better distraction than singling someone else out for doing the exact same thing you are.

My fear is that there's no real solution to this. If the US is doing it then China is doing it then the US is doing it etc etc. Given the current global economic climate I'm not optimistic about the possible scenarios that will play out as a result of the world's two largest economic powers playing a game of tug-o-war with international trade. I feel that the point at which one side prohibits the other from doing business in its country entirely is a huge "line in the sand". Historically, trade disputes often preface actual war.

Trump (and to a lesser extent the Republican Party as a whole) doesn’t give a poo poo about Apple or any tech stock that’s not a fracking company or loving PayPal. It’s not where their voters are and it’s not where their donors are.

mystes
May 31, 2006

LiterallyAnything posted:

However, consider the timing of that article. Huawei surpasses Apple in mobile sales in China, its largest foreign market. Apple was at the time the largest US company (and, depending on the day, still is; at least in the top three, along with Amazon and Microsoft). Trump has complained about China even before his presidency, writing years ago how he wanted a chance to negotiate with them. We are currently in a state of *national emergency* due to the trade war with China. Maybe I'm being ludicrous, but I'm honestly having a hard time believing that the entire Huawei spying thing is more than an orchestrated effort by the US to maintain technological influence globally. There's no better distraction than singling someone else out for doing the exact same thing you are.
It's nothing this vague and I don't think it's Trump specifically. The US has been making a major effort to prevent other countries from adopting Huawei 5G equipment for the last year or so, because companies are starting to decide who they should buy it from. By leaking/ announcing stuff like this they have successfully gotten a lot of countries to ban Huawei 5G equipment.

(That's not to say that Huawei necessarily isn't inserting backdoors or whatever).

mystes fucked around with this message at 14:01 on May 15, 2019

Wistful of Dollars
Aug 25, 2009

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1128488075427024897?s=19

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

Tank u 4 yur cervix, respekt ARE TROOPS!

FronzelNeekburm
Jun 1, 2001

STOP, MORTTIME

LiterallyAnything posted:

As far as I've seen that Bloomberg article is the only "first-hand" source of those accusations. I absolutely don't doubt the possibility, and probability, that the Chinese government had Huawei add some back-door tech to some of their hardware. This is something that has been talked about for years that the US itself was doing with Cisco's, and others, networking hardware around the globe.

The authors of the Bloomberg article also have a history of making poo poo up:
https://twitter.com/RobertMLee/status/1049620616087838720

Also, the only named source in the article said the reporters had asked him about a bunch of theoretical stuff, then basically reported all of that as fact, which means either he's shockingly good at predicting the future, or they were just taking his hypotheticals and spinning a tale out of them.

paternity suitor
Aug 2, 2016

There was never any evidence for the Super Micro story, it's very shady. Hackaday did a follow up

https://hackaday.com/2019/05/14/what-happened-with-supermicro/

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
1.
https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/1128818092174467074

Hope Maine's voters run her out on a rail

2.
https://twitter.com/brianschatz/status/1128771334195093506
Donald the Dove, Hillary the Hawk was wrong? :o

3.
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1128894602801553409
AOC is right on the mark once again

4.
https://twitter.com/carterforva/status/1128734062787616768
Word

5.
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1128976993830219776
But why?

6.
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1128838093467979776
I agree with Nate

7.
https://twitter.com/BetoORourke/status/1128874278647140352
Beto's not good for much, but his take on the border situation is good

8.
https://twitter.com/brianschatz/status/1128669626978709505
Lol, sassy

9.
https://twitter.com/HeerJeet/status/1128678921610977280
Cruelty is the point

10.
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1128755724518088704
Channeling FDR there

11.
https://twitter.com/JYSexton/status/1128637353633951744
Believe them

12.
https://twitter.com/hourlyFox/status/1128967088444514304
Jump fox jump!

13.
https://twitter.com/WalshFreedom/status/1128710365276143616
I hate when I agree with Walsh

14.
https://twitter.com/GavinNewsom/status/1128793791731646464
Newsom is better than at least half the folks running

15.
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1128658906199339008
:same:

16.
https://twitter.com/DNCWarRoom/status/1129014210845990913
:shucks: Lying like usual

17.
https://twitter.com/PatrioticMills/status/1128690470471774209
They don't hold grain, duh. ;)

18.
https://twitter.com/SenSherrodBrown/status/1128780204690874371
Delta sucks

19.
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1129013647525765120
Listen to Eisenhower

20.
https://twitter.com/Public_Citizen/status/1128784420343820289
Crushing it

RuanGacho
Jun 20, 2002

"You're gunna break it!"

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/17/politics/bernie-sanders-charter-schools-ban/index.html

quote:

(CNN)In a major education policy speech set to be delivered Saturday, Sen. Bernie Sanders will call for a ban on all for-profit charter schools, a position that puts him directly at odds with the Trump administration and becoming the first of the 2020 Democratic presidential candidates to insist on such a move.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
loving good. gently caress charter schools so goddamn much. I cannot describe to you how horrible my experience being in one for two grades was.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013
Probation
Can't post for 18 hours!

Captain Invictus posted:

loving good. gently caress charter schools so goddamn much. I cannot describe to you how horrible my experience being in one for two grades was.

This looks like it's... not a great proposal. for-profit charters are rare and nonprofit charters are every bit as prone to abuse and far, far more common. As expressed, there's also relatively little likelihood this would survive legal challenge. I hate charters every bit as much as you, but it's not clear this actually addresses anything or can even function as policy.

mystes
May 31, 2006

Discendo Vox posted:

As expressed, there's also relatively little likelihood this would survive legal challenge.
If it actually gets implemented I imagine it will be legislation making some federal funding contingent on states banning for-profit charter schools.

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




Discendo Vox posted:

This looks like it's... not a great proposal. for-profit charters are rare and nonprofit charters are every bit as prone to abuse and far, far more common. As expressed, there's also relatively little likelihood this would survive legal challenge. I hate charters every bit as much as you, but it's not clear this actually addresses anything or can even function as policy.

Yep, nonprofits can have management extracting wealth for themselves in the same way as for profits. Without even the nominal restraint of accountability to the share holders.

Edit: If the board can be captured either can be abused.

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1129831615952236546

DACK FAYDEN
Feb 25, 2013

Bear Witness
I would like to say again that when we get all of the bastards up against the wall, between this and his attempted legislation on electronic privacy rights, Amash can go last and have a nice little smoke first.

He's not hedging here, either, this is from later in the same chain:
https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1129831625691414528

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
It's not surprising. If someone was offering odds on who would be the first GOP house member to call for Trump's impeachment, Amash would have been the favorite going away.

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.
I thought Amash was the Tea Party guy who had to call a meeting of lobbyists to his office to ask what a congressman even does.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

DACK FAYDEN posted:

I would like to say again that when we get all of the bastards up against the wall, between this and his attempted legislation on electronic privacy rights, Amash can go last and have a nice little smoke first.

He's not hedging here, either, this is from later in the same chain:
https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1129831625691414528

i am sorta curious if more will come out of the wood work or run against trump in the race. either way its an ok sign.

BlueBlazer
Apr 1, 2010

Pope Guilty posted:

I thought Amash was the Tea Party guy who had to call a meeting of lobbyists to his office to ask what a congressman even does.

Smarter than Trump.

DACK FAYDEN
Feb 25, 2013

Bear Witness

Pope Guilty posted:

I thought Amash was the Tea Party guy who had to call a meeting of lobbyists to his office to ask what a congressman even does.
This is incredibly frustrating, I know exactly who you mean (he gave one of them his personal cell number too) but I can't find the story on Google.

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin
Must be reading his Joe Walsh.

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK

Pope Guilty posted:

I thought Amash was the Tea Party guy who had to call a meeting of lobbyists to his office to ask what a congressman even does.


For some reason I thought it was Tom Cotton, but at the same time I'm pretty sure it happened before that sheet cake eating buffoon got elected.

Solkanar512
Dec 28, 2006

by the sex ghost

Gyges posted:

For some reason I thought it was Tom Cotton, but at the same time I'm pretty sure it happened before that sheet cake eating buffoon got elected.

I’m pretty sure it was Tom Cotton as well.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Gyges posted:

For some reason I thought it was Tom Cotton, but at the same time I'm pretty sure it happened before that sheet cake eating buffoon got elected.

i might have been him. it was one of the loud rear end in a top hat ones. they might be gone now since the house got purged.

Pembroke Fuse
Dec 29, 2008
Tech bubble o'clock:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-16/boom-in-dodgy-wall-street-deals-points-to-market-trouble-ahead

quote:

Junk bonds are flying out the door once again. Deeply indebted companies are borrowing even more to pay equity holders. And while you can’t say the megadeal IPOs got rushed to market, two that were held up as heralding a return to IPO glory days have been flops. It’s quickly turning Uber and Lyft into poster children for Wall Street eagerness amid an equity-market bounce that has all but banished memories of the worst fourth quarter in a decade.
...
Bankers who in October suggested a $120 billion valuation for Uber Technologies Inc. have eaten their words, with the market cap falling to half that. Rival Lyft Inc. closed its first day in March with a $25 billion valuation that was higher than all but about 275 U.S. companies. It’s since fallen by a third. The timing of the IPOs only serves to further stoke the suspicions of those Wall Street observers who see a plot to transfer a private-market bubble into public hands.

i am harry
Oct 14, 2003

Discendo Vox posted:

This looks like it's... not a great proposal. for-profit charters are rare and nonprofit charters are every bit as prone to abuse and far, far more common. As expressed, there's also relatively little likelihood this would survive legal challenge. I hate charters every bit as much as you, but it's not clear this actually addresses anything or can even function as policy.

Why not email the Bernster about it then? Someone from his team will read it.

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005

I'm not sure I buy it being a sign of impending bubble-pop (yet) when the alternative is "yay, let's unload this poo poo on the public even if it ends up being at a discount." Lyft and Uber are nearly identical companies each with such overhyped market relevance that I don't think we can even count them as N=2 for a pop.

Even after dropping 1/3, Lyft's glorified taxi app, duplicated by multiple other companies and not even creating a new niche with its tech, is holding a >$10B valuation. Uber's current ~$70B market cap values it at more than the Hilton and Marriott hotel empires combined. Those are both insane by pretty much any reasonable metric I can think of. Sure, the fact that this stuff exists at these kinds of valuations at all means there's trouble ahead, but some banks trying to hype it to an even more unrealistic $120B last year doesn't indicate this is popping yet.

Sundae fucked around with this message at 02:39 on May 20, 2019

Name Change
Oct 9, 2005



If we have a 2008-style crash under Trump, the words "we're all going to die" spring to mind.

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

Sodomy Hussein posted:

If we have a 2008-style crash under Trump, the words "we're all going to die" spring to mind.
Why we survived the last one. Or well at least my family did.

Pembroke Fuse
Dec 29, 2008
I'm a "comupter-toucher", so I'm definitely boned if the tech bubble bursts. That said, Silicon Valley is definitely going to crash.

Pembroke Fuse
Dec 29, 2008

Grouchio posted:

Why we survived the last one. Or well at least my family did.

Imagine 2008 but without TARP or the auto manufacturer and select industry bailouts.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

Pembroke Fuse posted:

Imagine 2008 but without TARP or the auto manufacturer and select industry bailouts.

Or a competent leader with competent staff. The underlings would gently caress up something like a 2008 crash ten ways from Sunday and the guy pointing them in the wrong direction will be a narcissistic poo poo-gently caress with advanced dementia looking to personally profit off the situation.

Moatman
Mar 21, 2014

Because the goof is all mine.
Yall realize GWB was still president in 2008, right?

Pembroke Fuse
Dec 29, 2008

Sundae posted:

I'm not sure I buy it being a sign of impending bubble-pop (yet) when the alternative is "yay, let's unload this poo poo on the public even if it ends up being at a discount." Lyft and Uber are nearly identical companies each with such overhyped market relevance that I don't think we can even count them as N=2 for a pop.

Even after dropping 1/3, Lyft's glorified taxi app, duplicated by multiple other companies and not even creating a new niche with its tech, is holding a >$10B valuation. Uber's current ~$70B market cap values it at more than the Hilton and Marriott hotel empires combined. Those are both insane by pretty much any reasonable metric I can think of. Sure, the fact that this stuff exists at these kinds of valuations at all means there's trouble ahead, but some banks trying to hype it to an even more unrealistic $120B last year doesn't indicate this is popping yet.

I only see VCs and IBs accelerating the process of dumping endless amounts of cash into tech projects the limitations of which they don't actually understand or perhaps care to understand.

Pembroke Fuse
Dec 29, 2008

Moatman posted:

Yall realize GWB was still president in 2008, right?

The 2008 great recession happened at the tail end of 2008/beginning of 2009. Obama's team was responsible for implementing the paltry $700 billion-dollar TARP, along with some auto-bailouts and "for some reason" selling off Bear Stearns to JP Morgan. Obama hosed it up by not bailing out mortgage holders and jailing the bankers (or even implementing the much larger TARP that was recommended), but not nearly as badly as Trump would gently caress up any more recent version of a 2008 recession.

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK
TARP was one of the last acts of W, not one of Obama's first.

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Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
Seattle has some pretty awesome looking fair housing laws that they're fighting to defend in court

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/seattle-s-fair-housing-law-most-progressive-country-now-landlords-n1004321

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