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Gorson posted:Alabama is slamming this through because everyone else is distracted by the heaps of scandals coming from this administration. Alabama is doing this because and only because they now believe they may have 5 votes in the SCOTUS, full stop. Nothing else matters in their thinking on this.
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i am harry posted:Woah you're quoting someone I used to know in the NOLA rave scene, what a small world No poo poo. Mind blown.
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squirrelzipper posted:This is a good hypothesis for explaining the voters actions but it doesn’t work when applied to the policy makers. The white men who actually drafted and passed the policy did so entirely to work towards a goal that is about controlling and removing women’s agency, not protecting the unborn. If the latter was the goal there are a myriad of easier and more effective ways to do so. Yeah. The "goal" here is three fold from the policy maker's viewpoint -- 1) Demonstrate absolute loyalty to the purest form of a partisan shibboleth 2) Demonize the enemy as baby genociders 3) demonstrate authority and control over women / the opposition Modern-day political equivalent of parading your enemies through town in chains.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Right, right -- I'm just making the point that they aren't even thinking of it in terms that would lead them to become hypocrites. It's not even that rational. It's pure impulse. Oh yeah I agree with you that the issue is now just another partisan flag, but we have to remember that historically conservatives have been against abortion since the dawn of time and that’s because they don’t believe women should have control over their bodies and lives. It’s become a team identity thing but it’s roots are firmly planted in misogyny.
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Gorson posted:Of course not. Alabama's abortion fiasco is not the first big abortion news of the last month that would be the "Democrats are killing live babies" bullshit, a rumor which could have been started by anyone from someone in the administration to anti-abortion activists to a GOP agenda to loving Facebook. Alabama is slamming this through because everyone else is distracted by the heaps of scandals coming from this administration. This is some weasily bullshit. "Both the Iran and abortion stuff" can't "work perfectly" through their own agency. Choose your words better. Alabama is doing this because a plurality of voters want it, they elected (through bullshit, sure) the representatives to move the bill through, and they believe they have the votes on the supreme court to win. The infanticide poo poo started because Ralph Northram made some dumb comments taken out of context on a radio show a few months ago, which right wing outlets took advantage of, and then he did it again. Barr hasn't been in the news in 48 hours because there hasn't been any news. The wheels are still turning and there will be more news reported. Trump isn't a media genius. He does a lot of dumb poo poo that gets the media a lot of clicks. It is not by design. skylined! fucked around with this message at 17:28 on May 15, 2019 |
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That's lovely, thank you. Bookmarked. quote:That said, the reason I have that take on abortion is basically just taking Altemeyer's authoritarian theory and applying it. That and the old Chris Hayes article on undecided voters. Yep, that's pretty much what fascism is. They're not thinking. They're trying to establish identity and orthodoxy through cruelty and violence. Thinking gets in the way of that. If you take a look at Fox or the right wing media sphere, on occasion they'll be hit with information which if dropped on them without being primed would upend their world view if taken credibly. So what you'll see is a few days of radio silence from the opinion shapers before they come back with what's basically an inoculation to this conflicting wrongthink. Or they'll do what they keep doing in the age of Trump which is to about face on what used to be their planks. Dissent is crushed and remaining dissenters are cast out of the tribe. There's no ideology. There is only power and identity. Anything that serves that power and identity is viewed as good. Anything that criticizes it is bad. But yeah, I agree 100%. They're not thinking. They're taking direction from above and move largely wherever the authority figure that they recognize says they should no matter in way direction, so long as it doesn't directly conflict with their power or identity. The Republican party and conservative movement doesn't really believe in anything anymore except the supremacy of the white male and the establishment of second class rights or total othering of outsider groups. Literally everything else is on the chopping block. They'll figure out what they're about later. Right now they're just trying to save their historic privileges. What we're seeing in my opinion is something of a cultural death ride. They're looking at their dropping demographics and that the millenials reliably left of center and now outnumber the boomers, who are still reliably voting, but shrinking. They want to preserve their privileges because this is loving it for them. Their way of life in a lot of places has a shelf life now and it's about to expire. Installing judges who will preserve their rights and election fraud and terrorizing their base through RW media to turn out what votes they have left are the currently strategies to continuing white supremacy because the votes just aren't there. They're panicking because white supremacy itself and patriarchy are on the chopping block. That's not too far down the road if white America continues its demographic collapse. Ice Phisherman fucked around with this message at 17:42 on May 15, 2019 |
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I assume someone posted this but lmao https://twitter.com/dagotron/status/1127083222767038464
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:The reason rape and incest exceptions generally get included is, it's hard to rationalize demonizing a crime victim. Which loving blows my mind that they took out the exceptions for rape and incest because it is murder. Then why not repeal any laws where you can murder someone in self defense? It's also murder. I am sure the gun toting republicans would love that. Sentence anyone selling a gun to 99 years in prison because they facilitated a murder
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Astro7x posted:Which loving blows my mind that they took out the exceptions for rape and incest because it is murder. Then why not repeal any laws where you can murder someone in self defense? It's also murder. I am sure the gun toting republicans would love that. Sentence anyone selling a gun to 99 years in prison because they facilitated a murder They don't have any principles. There are no good faith justifications. They start with the conclusion and work backwards using any convenient argument to support it. They do not care about being hypocrites. It's not a problem for them.
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Phil Moscowitz posted:I assume someone posted this but lmao Beto looks likes he's moving weight out of Cartagena
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Astro7x posted:Which loving blows my mind that they took out the exceptions for rape and incest because it is murder. Then why not repeal any laws where you can murder someone in self defense? It's also murder. I am sure the gun toting republicans would love that. Sentence anyone selling a gun to 99 years in prison because they facilitated a murder theoretically the fetus is not the one doing the rapimg
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Astro7x posted:Which loving blows my mind that they took out the exceptions for rape and incest because it is murder. Then why not repeal any laws where you can murder someone in self defense? It's also murder. I am sure the gun toting republicans would love that. Sentence anyone selling a gun to 99 years in prison because they facilitated a murder Fetuses are innocent little things that must be protected and saved, unlike the children they become that can starve in the streets, or the teenagers that get shot by their lunatic classmates because they didn't pray to Jesus enough I guess. That's the "logic" you are fighting
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Nocturtle posted:Exactly. Conservatives seem dysfunctional right now because they essentially don't have an agenda, and rely on racism, nationalism and misogyny for support. They don't have an agenda because they basically achieved all their main goals defined by their opposition to the post-war labour and civil rights movements (summary: conservatives won). Now they're in charge, don't have anything to oppose but can't actually propose anything constructive, because that's not what conservatives do. The total failure of the Republican healthcare reform reconciliation bill was a great example of this. Counterpoint (nitpick really): They're incapable of actually winning because to them there is only a lose condition, that of others not like them getting more equality. Zero-sum defines a lot of their worldview. It's also why hate works so well for directing them.
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:Counterpoint: you're a bootlicking officer cop. Going HAM as OPFOR owns. Ignore the previous poster whining. Post more stories about the military being hilarious fuckups.
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squirrelzipper posted:Oh yeah I agree with you that the issue is now just another partisan flag, but we have to remember that historically conservatives have been against abortion since the dawn of time and that’s because they don’t believe women should have control over their bodies and lives. It’s become a team identity thing but it’s roots are firmly planted in misogyny. Actually it's rooted in racism. Even white evangelicals didn't care too much about abortion until the CRA. Suddenly, abortion became a hot-button topic because it was proxy battle for segregation.
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Ice Phisherman posted:That's lovely, thank you. Bookmarked. Which makes it, to paraphrase someone else, a suicide cult. Conservatism cannot function without an underclass, but it also cannot function without an enemy. Once the enemy is defeated and made subservient in the underclass, they move on to the next person on the list. Given enough time the system, by definition, must shrink to only a few people being in power. So first they restrict it to only light skinned people. Then Jews aren't white anymore. Then Catholics. Then they break out the calipers. There is no end to it because the system cannot function without it. There is no logic or ideology here, it's pure chest beating emotion, as you said.
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Failed Imagineer posted:Beto looks likes he's moving weight out of Cartagena Some real good ones in that thread. Warning--Stephen Miller and Rudy Giuliani, too.
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In case we manage to actually incite a war with Iran, I just wanted to have publicly stated that this is totally hosed and ridiculous and terrible. Personally I think Trump would rather look tough than actually commit to war, but Bolton et al. are arranging things in such a way so as to box both Trump and Iran in to a predetermined outcome. The runup to Iraq, transparently ridiculous as it was, has nothing on this bald-faced stupidity.
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Astro7x posted:Which loving blows my mind that they took out the exceptions for rape and incest because it is murder. Then why not repeal any laws where you can murder someone in self defense? It's also murder. I am sure the gun toting republicans would love that. Sentence anyone selling a gun to 99 years in prison because they facilitated a murder That's really a completely different thing. There's not a logical contradiction between the two positions, because core to the point is that "innocents" have a right to live. Republicans typically divide the world into "the good people" (which all babies are) and "the bad people" (which anyone who disagrees with or threatens me in any way is). So you can kill people trying to harm you, but not innocent babies. The problem is the first principles they're drawing from aren't based in the real world, they're logically consistent garbage.
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Astro7x posted:Which loving blows my mind that they took out the exceptions for rape and incest because it is murder. Then why not repeal any laws where you can murder someone in self defense? It's also murder. I am sure the gun toting republicans would love that. Sentence anyone selling a gun to 99 years in prison because they facilitated a murder Don't look for logic or consistency it's not there.
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The only thing fighting off a war is dipshit's reverence for dictators and his complete loving cowardice. Bolton probably can't mustache ride him back if he runs off and come down from his war high hard.
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Phil Moscowitz posted:I assume someone posted this but lmao Biden looks like Vicente Fox
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Astro7x posted:Which loving blows my mind that they took out the exceptions for rape and incest because it is murder. Then why not repeal any laws where you can murder someone in self defense? It's also murder. I am sure the gun toting republicans would love that. Sentence anyone selling a gun to 99 years in prison because they facilitated a murder Because the woman is always at fault. Look at literally any rape case. "Why were you out so late? Why were you dressed line that? You were probably asking for it". There's no reason, it's just disgust at women having sex sometimes. And hey, if you are 12 years old and your dad rapes you then you shouldn't have led him on, or you should have told someone, slut.
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Some real good ones in that thread. Warning--Stephen Miller and Rudy Giuliani, too. Miller looks like the guy you cast as a creepy pedo nazi. And since we know 1 and 3 are already true....
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TulliusCicero posted:So how do we just quarantine the bible thumpers at this point, because holy poo poo that Alabama law is Handmaid's Tale poo poo Add Ohio https://mobile.twitter.com/senatorjen/status/1126191961231241216
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theflyingorc posted:Republicans typically divide the world into "the good people" (which all babies are) and "the bad people" (which anyone who disagrees with or threatens me in any way is). So you can kill people trying to harm you, but not innocent babies. They do everything they can to make sure a fetus becomes a baby. But they also do everything they can to make sure the baby has no social programs or support, no financial security, and no healthcare.
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CuddleCryptid posted:Because the woman is always at fault. Look at literally any rape case. "Why were you out so late? Why were you dressed line that? You were probably asking for it". Bad things only happen to you, the person who made mistakes. Not me, I do the right things and bad things won't happen to me. Crows Turn Off posted:No, they don't care about babies, they "care" about fetuses. The core belief is "Bad things only happen to people who don't do the smart things I do"
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Add Ohio How the hell do you force a medical procedure on someone and who pays for it?
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mcmagic posted:Presented without comment.
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theflyingorc posted:Bad things only happen to you, the person who made mistakes. Not me, I do the right things and bad things won't happen to me. Basically how the "rules for thee and not for me" logic goes. If there is a fringe chance that you are doing something some might be bad, it can't be bad because you are a good person. And good people cannot be bad.
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Just world fallacy is a big part of their thinking as well to justify other actions Astro7x posted:How the hell do you force a medical procedure on someone and who pays for it? Someone post the 'health of the mother' gif
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Astro7x posted:How the hell do you force a medical procedure on someone and who pays for it? Doesn’t matter since that procedure does not exist. They’re condemning women with ectopic pregnancies to die.
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Taerkar posted:Counterpoint (nitpick really): Fully agree that conservatives can never feel like they've won, because the movement is inherently reactionary. This underlies the constant need to manufacture imaginary conflict (the migrant caravan, the war on Christmas etc), it's something they can react against. However there's no denying that the conservatives basically won from the 1970s on. Labour was crushed, civil rights movement gains clawed back, corporate and established wealth secured, and more recently minority rule by essentially old white people. We are undeniably living in the dream outcome of a Thatcher or Reagan era conservative.
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CuddleCryptid posted:Basically how the "rules for thee and not for me" logic goes. If there is a fringe chance that you are doing something some might be bad, it can't be bad because you are a good person. And good people cannot be bad.
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Astro7x posted:How the hell do you force a medical procedure on someone and who pays for it? I mean, it's too dangerous for insurance definitely, so the mother, or, more likely, her next of kin when she dies from being legally required to be part of a bizarre medical experiment.
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Calaveron posted:Biden looks like Vicente Fox The Silver Fox is the Diamond Joe we need.
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skylined! posted:The Silver Fox is the Diamond Joe we need. He looks like Joseph Stalin
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Bicyclops posted:I mean, it's too dangerous for insurance definitely, so the mother, or, more likely, her next of kin when she dies from being legally required to be part of a bizarre medical experiment. poo poo we're thinking too small on that whole VP/McConnell/Chief Justice flight, they're already on to discussing mandatory human centipede operations for LGBTQ people.
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