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HobbitGrease
Jul 24, 2001

Young Orc

Avirosb posted:

Can I post Trump voters NOT realizing they're gonna die under Trump?
Farmers still support Trump despite costly trade war with China
https://globalnews.ca/news/5294009/donald-trump-china-trade-war-farmers/
dang, looks like clinton could've won over these voters by promising to make their lives materially worse

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Lemniscate Blue
Apr 21, 2006

Here we go again.

HobbitGrease posted:

dang, looks like clinton could've won over these voters by promising to make their lives materially worse

Except for that "D" after her name.

dioxazine
Oct 14, 2004

Being wrong about anything is more terrifying than suffering horribly for the rest of their lives.

Kerbtree
Sep 8, 2008

BAD FALCON!
LAZY!

Heartcatch posted:

Being wrong about anything is more terrifying than suffering horribly for the rest of their lives.

they can blame someone else for the suffering, being wrong would fall squarely on their shoulders.

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

Ran Mad Dog posted:

"Turmp put my family the poorhouse, my kids won't speak to me, and my dog shot himself -- yes my dog figured out how to put a shotgun into his own jaw and pull the trigger, twice, but goddamnit I still support him 100% for fighting them Chinese Turmp 2020"

that's a country song

DrManiac
Feb 29, 2012

I loving hate how they try to spin it like something noble. like, he’s trying to play like he basically sacrificed his family for the good of the country instead of him being a racist shithead who doesn’t give that much of a gently caress about his wife.

DrManiac has issued a correction as of 15:00 on May 20, 2019

Eat This Glob
Jan 14, 2008

God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. Who will wipe this blood off us? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we need to invent?

iowa farmers are screwed more by homegrown seed companies than they are by china, the country that wants to buy the grain they grow and hogs they raise

Bernie out there talking about actual issues farmers are boned by, and not the president who is helping the boning. poo poo breaks my brain

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

HobbitGrease posted:

thanks for the answers, i would not mind trying any of those local crops

a good crop to try, is bell pepper

Shipon
Nov 7, 2005

Elephant Ambush posted:

They can't be wrong. Everything they were raised to believe as children MUST be true no matter what.

What a lovely life that must be.

farmers are by far the dumbest variant of the small business tyrant, being the ones that believe all the free market bullshit and voting accordingly despite being wholly subsidized by government policies

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

there aren’t even many independent family farms. it’s a real small number.

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002
lmao imagine caring about the "trade imbalance"

An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

At least if they're blaming all of the presidents before Trump they're blaming the Bushes and Reagan too.

What's that?

Oh...oh I see :ohdear:

pseudanonymous
Aug 30, 2008

When you make the second entry and the debits and credits balance, and you blow them to hell.

Elephant Ambush posted:

They can't be wrong. Everything they were raised to believe as children MUST be true no matter what.

What a lovely life that must be.

It's a living wave of zombies of the sunk cost fallacy. Unfortunately, they're burying the rest of us.

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

quote:

“Was it a bad decision for my family? Yes,” he said. “Was it a bad decision for our country? I can’t say. Sometimes you can’t just think about yourself. You have to think about the broader picture.… I feel like God will bless my decision.”

"You can't just be all about yourself, sometimes you need to sacrifice some of your own well-being for the common good. From each according to his ability to each according to his---oh god no not that."

Incidentally "I can't just selfishly think of my own good, I'm doing what's best for the country" is the excuse every gay rich rear end in a top hat gives for voting to stab our own community in the back in order to save 2% on his taxes or whatever.

Kung Food
Dec 11, 2006

PORN WIZARD

Ran Mad Dog posted:

"Turmp put my family the poorhouse, my kids won't speak to me, and my dog shot himself -- yes my dog figured out how to put a shotgun into his own jaw and pull the trigger, twice, but goddamnit I still support him 100% for fighting them Chinese Turmp 2020"

*Someone with a D behind their name raises their taxes by half a percent: "This is an outrage, how dare these LIEberals take my hard earned money, gently caress big government."
*Trump grinds their livelihood under his thumb for funsies: "Well if its for my country I guess it's my duty to face destitution. God bless American."

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

euphronius posted:

there aren’t even many independent family farms. it’s a real small number.

they keep advertising the same goddamn indy film called "The Littlest Farm" or w/e at literally every single showing at Alamo, regardless of genre

it's basically "oh look at these two brave young liberals they bought up terrible land without knowing how to keep up after it and turned it into a farm through their valiant struggles and bootstraps"

unspoken is that they're bougie assholes with a fuckton of money to sink into buying land and affording everything they needed to get it running without going broke and starving, not to mention it will never see a profit and thus need even more outside money to keep it going

I hate it so much

An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

"I can't selfishly think of myself and need to do what helps others and my country the most." SOUNDS LIKE GADDANG SOCIALISM TO ME.

Honestly they're one or two takes away from getting it but they just run at it from the wrong side and it's *smdh*

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually
Possibly relevant to this thread's interests:

quote:

There’s No Boom in Youngstown, but Blue-Collar Workers Are Sticking With Trump

In the 10th year of a national recovery, which has brought record low unemployment and rising wages to many parts of the country, northeast Ohio is still among the walking wounded, the result of decades of deindustrialization driven by free trade deals. The loss of 1,600 jobs in March at a General Motors plant in nearby Lordstown, despite Mr. Trump’s visible efforts to save them, was the latest blow.

But even though stresses on families and communities are already acute, Mr. Trump appears to have lost little of his blue-collar support here.

It is a sign of how tight a bond he has with voters who were once staunch Democrats, in an allegiance as much cultural as economic. But it also undermines the argument of the Democrats’ leading 2020 candidate, Joseph R. Biden Jr., that he would be the best nominee to win back Midwest states because of his own appeal to working-class voters.

...

One of those voters is Darrell Franks, a retired tool and die maker, who was once a Democrat but now votes Republican.

“What I want from a president is the rest of the world to look at him and go, ‘Don’t mess with that guy, he will get even,’” Mr. Franks said one morning in the Yankee Kitchen in Vienna Township, Ohio. “I don’t want kinder, gentler. I don’t want some female that wants her agenda.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/20/us/politics/trump-voters-job-layoffs.html

Elephant Ambush
Nov 13, 2012

...We sholde spenden more time together. What sayest thou?
Nap Ghost

LOL. Tough, rugged individuals huh?

Nope. Cowardly, abusive children, every last one of them.

Woof Blitzer
Dec 29, 2012

[-]
Facing god and walking backwards into hell

got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747

Avirosb posted:

Can I post Trump voters NOT realizing they're gonna die under Trump?

Farmers still support Trump despite costly trade war with China



https://globalnews.ca/news/5294009/donald-trump-china-trade-war-farmers/

lol the "previous presidents" line
they just blame obama because hes black

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004




lol, every one of these articles speaks almost exclusively to retirees and "small business owners" that usually end up being local Republican party officials, people with an interest in never publicly breaking with Trump or who haven't been meaningfully involved in the economy in decades and are 100% idpol and spite

Shipon
Nov 7, 2005

Epic High Five posted:

lol, every one of these articles speaks almost exclusively to retirees and "small business owners" that usually end up being local Republican party officials, people with an interest in never publicly breaking with Trump or who haven't been meaningfully involved in the economy in decades and are 100% idpol and spite

god I love it when they go to a) “rural working class towns” that end up having median incomes significantly higher than much of the country and have plenty of rich business owners or b) actual working class towns that are mostly non-white but they only interview the white people


quote:

One of those voters is Darrell Franks, a retired tool and die maker, who was once a Democrat but now votes Republican.

“What I want from a president is the rest of the world to look at him and go, ‘Don’t mess with that guy, he will get even,’” Mr. Franks said one morning in the Yankee Kitchen in Vienna Township, Ohio. “I don’t want kinder, gentler. I don’t want some female that wants her agenda.”
yeah I’m down with a cultural revolution that takes every one of these retirees and small business tyrants and forces them to work lovely retail jobs in major cities

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Shipon posted:

god I love it when they go to a) “rural working class towns” that end up having median incomes significantly higher than much of the country and have plenty of rich business owners or b) actual working class towns that are mostly non-white but they only interview the white people

yeah I’m down with a cultural revolution that takes every one of these retirees and small business tyrants and forces them to work lovely retail jobs in major cities

lol remember the Carrier plant in Indy that was a cornerstone of Trump's 2016 rhetoric? It was (past tense - we ended up paying them 7 million bucks with no promises so of course they moved anyway - DEALS!) majority non-white

think back to the demographics of the people the media interviewed in their "on the ground" coverage of the situation lol

The average resident of what we consider the region to consist of is not a comfortable retiree with a paid off home and a pension. They do not spend hours a day in diners and social clubs, because they're working way too much for way too little and as a result are burning out and hopeless.

Darrell is the main target of the centrists lol, they think there's any world where he would vote for somebody over Trump because - despite Darrell saying Trump is perfect and everything he could want - they stupidly persist in thinking that people got "tricked" by Trump and they don't actually want the looting and genocide and fanatical destruction of our children's inheritance

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually

Shipon posted:

god I love it when they go to a) “rural working class towns” that end up having median incomes significantly higher than much of the country and have plenty of rich business owners or b) actual working class towns that are mostly non-white but they only interview the white people
https://twitter.com/jbouie/status/1130516991264133121

https://twitter.com/AdamSerwer/status/1130517983095336963

World War Mammories
Aug 25, 2006



someone more insightful than I could make some real hay out of this strange, coincidental use of the same "'working class' means 'white'" rhetoric that extremely online people who hate bernie use :thunk:

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004




yuuuuuup, every fuckin time

these soft focus stories of economic anxiety among the white gentry of these rural and semi-rural areas are absolutely, totally worthless and representative of nothing

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



lmfao

https://twitter.com/SouthbyNE/status/1130518462768525314

Just-In-Timeberlake
Aug 18, 2003

"My parents were the good immigrants, you know, the white ones"

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



I'm not prejudiced, I just think that people who believe brown people shouldn't be experimented upon and held in dog crates until they commit suicide or die of developing nation diseases are what's wrong with America

a Loving Dog
May 12, 2001

more like a Barking Dog, woof!

Just-In-Timeberlake posted:

"My parents were the good immigrants, you know, the white ones"

i blame the sopranos for italians thinking they're white

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually

Just-In-Timeberlake posted:

"My parents were the good immigrants, you know, the white ones"
Crossing a hundred miles of desert illegally to get here (dodging coyotes and murderous border patrolmen), doing 12 hours of stoop labor every day for sub-minimum wages, sleeping rough in a field - the very definition of someone unwilling to work hard (in contrast to my white grandparents)

Charles 2 of Spain
Nov 7, 2017

Lmao are they still doing chud safaris

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually

Epic High Five posted:

yuuuuuup, every fuckin time

these soft focus stories of economic anxiety among the white gentry of these rural and semi-rural areas are absolutely, totally worthless and representative of nothing
I think it was Salena Zito whose go-to example of a blue-collar heartland worker dealing with economic anxiety was revealed to be the head of surgery for the one big hospital in his tri-county area (and held a leadership position in the county GOP)

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


https://mobile.twitter.com/dznyc/status/1130526000880738304

The media is the enemy of the American people

got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747

Charles 2 of Spain posted:

Lmao are they still doing chud safaris

2020 is coming, there are gonna be 10x more

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



we're probably just a few months away from NPR officially switching over to being 80% uncritical interviews with economically anxious white rural or exurban voters about why they still support Trump

these people live in a fantasy world where politics is just team sports and maintenance of the narrative is all that matters. the rust belt must be overwhelmingly white for rhetorical convenience, and thus the coverage ignores all non-white people

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

a Loving Dog posted:

i blame the sopranos for italians thinking they're white

Okuteru
Nov 10, 2007

Choose this life you're on your own

Just-In-Timeberlake posted:

"My parents were the good immigrants, you know, the white ones"

Pretty much. I guess filing taxes, waiting until your 21 to vet for your parents and hoping that you make it, or can even afford, to your hearing with an immigration official doesn't count for working for it. Guess my family is the wrong color or should not have crossed some loving line then.

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Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer

Epic High Five posted:

we're probably just a few months away from NPR officially switching over to being 80% uncritical interviews with economically anxious white rural or exurban voters about why they still support Trump

these people live in a fantasy world where politics is just team sports and maintenance of the narrative is all that matters. the rust belt must be overwhelmingly white for rhetorical convenience, and thus the coverage ignores all non-white people

this is already the case lol

when they have Plumpeo or some other dude just running roughshod over the stupid lib host and being thrown softball questions lol

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