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Hey who wants to see Chamber murder a bunch of people and then just die! anyone? !
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May 15, 2019 23:42
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As long as he died blaming Scott Summers!  I wonder how much communication there is between the current X-team and the future one about which mutants Rosenberg gets to kill or maim, or if he just got carte blanche as long as mutants X, Y and Z were still alive and relatively intact by then end of his culling.
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May 16, 2019 00:41
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BrianWilly posted:Hey who wants to see Chamber murder a bunch of people and then just die! I get that they're running away from the "Cyclops as revolutionary" angle at full speed, and I'm willing to accept that despite it making zero sense, but I can't believe that Chamber is gonna straight-up waste a member of the Marauders, or that any version of Scott past like the Silver Age would care that Chamber is gonna waste a member of the Marauders. Then Sinister shows up on like page 12, turns into a giant Super-Sinister, then fucks off on like page 15. Is the series operating on dream logic at this point? Remember when Joseph was around for like 3 pages a couple of issues ago? What the gently caress is going on? And it's a small thing on the scale of wretchedness that is this run, but the portraits for Scott and Logan on the recap page make me gag every time. What is with that pubey-rear end beard on Cyclops, and when in his entire life has Wolverine made that expression? It looks like a bad photoreference if for some reason you used a photoreference of somebody who didn't look anything like Wolverine. 
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May 16, 2019 05:31
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They almost never actually killed people, but during Claremont's run most of the X-Men were written as though they would kill as a last resort. poo poo, a good chunk of the first Brood saga is Wolverine thinking about how he's gonna have to ice all his friends when they start to turn. Wasn't Cyclops the one who actually killed Jean Grey/Phoenix at the end of Dark Phoenix Saga?
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May 16, 2019 05:42
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I've walked away from UXM but I'll maintain that between all the Age of X-Man writers you have a great stable of emerging talents. The X-Men franchise at its best is about social difference and the ways that marginalized people form communities and solidarity, and I think it's telling that the best X-titles of recent years have been by women and queer folks. Hickman's baroque, hyper-stylized story-telling was great for the vision of the FF he had, mixed (imo) for his Avengers stuff, but just feels like kind of an off-puttingly "safe" move for the X-Men. I'd rather see Kelly Thompson, Leah Williams, Mags Visaggio, Eve Ewing, Saladin Ahmed, Seanan McGuire, etc.. on flagship X-titles than someone with as fundamentally conservative a vision of what superhero comics are for as Hickman. Like-- Cyclops should be a revolutionary, and he should be scary to a lot of people. If Bendis' tenure was uneven and often listless, he at least took one of Gillen's best ideas (which itself felt merely like a recognition and extrapolation of the trajectory Morrison set up) and ran with it.
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May 16, 2019 05:43
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Man, I really can't shake the idea that Rosenberg's entire run has been a really long issue of What If? It's really reminding me of that Weapon X run Frank Tieri did in the 2000s, and that is not a compliment.Skwirl posted:They almost never actually killed people, but during Claremont's run most of the X-Men were written as though they would kill as a last resort. poo poo, a good chunk of the first Brood saga is Wolverine thinking about how he's gonna have to ice all his friends when they start to turn. Wasn't Cyclops the one who actually killed Jean Grey/Phoenix at the end of Dark Phoenix Saga? No, she telekinetically aced herself by reactivating old tech from whoever created the Blue Area of the Moon. Cyclops was always the Boy Scout who refused to kill, but he softened on that, most notably at the start of Morrison's run. Storm was reasonably anti-murder as well, at least for a while. IIRC, however, "heroes don't kill" was a huge point of Jim Shooter's run as editor-in-chief at Marvel, which is part of why the level of violence in that period was so weirdly bloodless. The moment he got fired, you started seeing a general relaxation of the no-kill policy in Claremont's work in general, particularly when it came to enemies like the Brood or the Marauders.
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May 16, 2019 06:13
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Wanderer posted:Man, I really can't shake the idea that Rosenberg's entire run has been a really long issue of What If? It's really reminding me of that Weapon X run Frank Tieri did in the 2000s, and that is not a compliment. First page of House of X is Jamie Maddrox wakes up, find Rahne in the shower and says to her "I had the strangest dream."
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May 16, 2019 08:40
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Wanderer posted:Man, I really can't shake the idea that Rosenberg's entire run has been a really long issue of What If? It's really reminding me of that Weapon X run Frank Tieri did in the 2000s, and that is not a compliment. Yeah, literally the first tussle the X-Men have with the Marauders involves Colossus killing one of them. I mean, if anyone merits it, it's those guys, they're cackling unsympathetic spree killers.
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May 16, 2019 08:47
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Android Blues posted:Yeah, literally the first tussle the X-Men have with the Marauders involves Colossus killing one of them. I mean, if anyone merits it, it's those guys, they're cackling unsympathetic spree killers. Ah, that's what I was thinking of when I said Cyclops wouldn't care about Chamber offing the Marauders, but I guess he would have already been on X-Factor at that point. Still, I stand by it that Cyclops isn't totally averse to killing. Wanderer posted:Cyclops was always the Boy Scout who refused to kill, but he softened on that, most notably at the start of Morrison's run. Storm was reasonably anti-murder as well, at least for a while. I definitely remember Storm either explicitly or implicitly sanctioning Colossus during Mutant Massacre.
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May 16, 2019 09:33
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Archyduchess posted:I've walked away from UXM but I'll maintain that between all the Age of X-Man writers you have a great stable of emerging talents. Yeah, I completely agree. This Rosenberg guy is a complete hack, throwing edgy poo poo at the wall on a constant spree trying to find something that sticks. On the other hand, every Age of X-Man book I've read, I've liked it. The X-Tracts one may be the worst of the bunch and somehow it still comes on top of the mess UXM currently is. I hope those writers stick around. And god, do I hope Hickman doesn't gently caress up. I don't think I've seen any writer not gently caress up when handling X-Men for god knows how many years.
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May 16, 2019 09:34
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Saoshyant posted:Yeah, I completely agree. This Rosenberg guy is a complete hack, throwing edgy poo poo at the wall on a constant spree trying to find something that sticks. On the other hand, every Age of X-Man book I've read, I've liked it. The X-Tracts one may be the worst of the bunch and somehow it still comes on top of the mess UXM currently is. I hope those writers stick around. After the current X-Men run I don't think Hickman can fail. Like his run could just be Scott and Logan throw a Kegger in the X-Mansion. For 12 issues. And all your favourite X-People show up. Even the dead ones who are now alive again. That's it, and it would sell thousands. Call it " X-Men: Weekend at Charlies" and it would sell 90's numbers.
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May 16, 2019 10:19
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Skwirl posted:They almost never actually killed people, but during Claremont's run most of the X-Men were written as though they would kill as a last resort. poo poo, a good chunk of the first Brood saga is Wolverine thinking about how he's gonna have to ice all his friends when they start to turn. Wasn't Cyclops the one who actually killed Jean Grey/Phoenix at the end of Dark Phoenix Saga? Along those lines and if I remember right, the fact that the X-Men actually went out looking for the Marauders so they could off them (admittedly as payback for the Mutant Massacre) was a sign of Inferno and that Thing Were Not Right.
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May 16, 2019 12:39
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At this point I'm just hoping the big reveal in UXM is some big reset button like Impossible Man or that Harry's Hideaway had a gas leak and they went on the strangest group trip. (The fire was real, but they'd all wondered outside by then because Illyana "teleported" them by them all holding hands in a line and walking out singing.) At least my fear of Emma Frost being done dirty is placated by Hickman clearly having plans for her and the fact that this run will almost certainly be forgotten immediately.
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May 16, 2019 12:49
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(Spoilers from one year in the future.) Comic Interview Guy: Jonathan Hickman, in your first year on the X-Men you managed to solve all the major continuity problems in the X-Franchise and made them the number one selling title again. What is next for the mutants. (Jonathan Hickman laughs and then flexes, turning his body metallic ala Colossus.) Super-Hickman: HA HA HA! NOW SHOW ME A REAL CHALLENGE!
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May 16, 2019 19:01
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The Question IRL posted:(Spoilers from one year in the future.) Everything in a 15 foot sphere of him takes extreme damage.
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May 16, 2019 19:45
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BrianWilly posted:Hey who wants to see Chamber murder a bunch of people and then just die! Good about that issue Illyana's Bauhaus shirt, Wolverine getting out, Juggs Bad everything else.
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May 19, 2019 01:23
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I've always had the impression that Rosenberg wrote as if he didn't actually like the X-Men, but it wasn't until recently that I felt like he wrote as if none of his readers like the X-Men either.
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May 19, 2019 03:06
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It's weird they had a very quick 12 issues where they seemingly destroy everything at the end, then are doing an Age of Apocalypse style event, while seeming to keep a main book going. But then Hickman is going to reset everything again. I seriously don't even understand the point of Uncanny X-Men at this point aside from making GBS threads on characters that only a small number of people like. It's an even worse version of the death of Bill Foster. So congratulations on making Mark Millar seem subtle and poignant.
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May 19, 2019 04:12
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Skwirl posted:So congratulations on making Mark Millar seem subtle and poignant. nobody's hosed a kid yet so it's not Millar levels of bad
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May 19, 2019 04:56
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:nobody's hosed a kid yet so it's not Millar levels of bad I was referring specifically to Marvel's Civil War I.
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May 19, 2019 05:03
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http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.co...d-cool-cyclops/ - very serious Hickman interview. Big fan of the Gillen Sinister and Emma Frost shoutouts - plus, Roberto and Sam.  While I'm not sold on Jean wearing the 60s dress and mask, since it's so much more dated than the version in Age of X-Man, the idea of the X-Men just wearing their old uniforms as their wardrobe is pretty fantastic.
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May 20, 2019 16:12
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Skwirl posted:I seriously don't even understand the point of Uncanny X-Men at this point aside from making GBS threads on characters that only a small number of people like. It's an even worse version of the death of Bill Foster. So congratulations on making Mark Millar seem subtle and poignant. Is this suppose to be setting up to a status quo that Hickman wants? I just don't get it.
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May 20, 2019 20:10
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Metalshark posted:http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.co...d-cool-cyclops/ - very serious Hickman interview. quote:I will say that in re-reading everything, probably the most criminally underrated X-Men writer is Mike Carey. I mean, it’s obvious that Mike is brilliant, but there are a lot of things buried in his books that are tier-one ideas that writers following him must have just blown right past Now this gets me excited.
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May 20, 2019 20:54
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He's completely right, Carey's run on X-Men Legacy ruled and is one of my favourite all-time X-Men runs.
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May 20, 2019 21:31
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Metalshark posted:http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.co...d-cool-cyclops/ - very serious Hickman interview. Every so often someone's wandering around with a Morrisson-era leather X-Jacket.
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May 20, 2019 22:08
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Beerdeer posted:Every so often someone's wandering around with a Morrisson-era leather X-Jacket. They've literally got Logan doing that in one of the bits of promo art. Actually, the other Logan in that image is in the brown-and-tan costume - which is what Space Clone Wolverine was wearing in his sole appearance. Could it be? Will the space clone X-Men finally come back into continuity?
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May 20, 2019 22:31
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Metalshark posted:http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.co...d-cool-cyclops/ - very serious Hickman interview. I actually kind of hate it! Are we just going to ignore the past sixty years of X-characters wearing regular clothes and just assume they all started collectively wearing their costumes as regular clothes because...eh?
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May 20, 2019 22:36
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Yeah.
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May 20, 2019 22:37
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Blockhouse posted:I actually kind of hate it! Are we just going to ignore the past sixty years of X-characters wearing regular clothes and just assume they all started collectively wearing their costumes as regular clothes because...eh? I think it's meant as a kind of return to that whole thing that Morrison was moving towards of mutants as their own subculture. Plus a lot of the time they seemed to wear their costumes as regular clothes anyway (like, I think Surge is still depicted wearing the New X-Men Academy X costume at least 10 years after that series ended?). And he also mentions they'll sometimes wear normal clothes.
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May 20, 2019 22:42
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It’s wild to feel excited about X-Men again. I like the closet full of costumes idea. More super heroes should have more variety in what they wear. Let the different artists add their own touches, or choose an outfit that fits the mood of the story. Glad to hear Hickman is a fan of Age of Apocalypse.
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May 21, 2019 00:48
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Marvel doco on Giant-Sized X-Men. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY3H43y5aKk
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May 21, 2019 10:16
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Teenage Fansub posted:Marvel doco on Giant-Sized X-Men. I'm just going to through this out here, Giant Size X-Men isn't a good comic. It lead to one of the best runs on comics ever, but that actual issue isn't very good.
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May 21, 2019 10:45
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Skwirl posted:I'm just going to through this out here, Giant Size X-Men isn't a good comic. It lead to one of the best runs on comics ever, but that actual issue isn't very good. Agreed!
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May 21, 2019 10:48
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Yvonmukluk posted:I think it's meant as a kind of return to that whole thing that Morrison was moving towards of mutants as their own subculture. Plus a lot of the time they seemed to wear their costumes as regular clothes anyway (like, I think Surge is still depicted wearing the New X-Men Academy X costume at least 10 years after that series ended?). And he also mentions they'll sometimes wear normal clothes. Its friday and Jean only has one clean outfit left
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May 21, 2019 11:06
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Synthbuttrange posted:Its friday and Jean only has one clean outfit left Jean definitely does her laundry in timely fashion to avoid scenarios such as this. However, I will accept that Rachel has stolen her clothes and not returned them due to being mind-controlled (again).
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May 21, 2019 11:10
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Skwirl posted:I'm just going to through this out here, Giant Size X-Men isn't a good comic. It lead to one of the best runs on comics ever, but that actual issue isn't very good. It has a hell of a status quo shift to introduce and the way it does is pretty clever. It does a decent job of showcasing all the new characters, and Krakoa is a really neat concept, even if the moment itself is hilariously blase--like, it's not even a page turn IIRC. Now, having said that, it's not a comic I would go back to a lot, but I think you have to balance that against just how much legwork is being done in a single (giant-sized) issue.
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May 21, 2019 12:10
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Synthbuttrange posted:Its friday and Jean only has one clean outfit left She can just go down to the basement to use the alien clothes machine. (Yes this is a real thing.)
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May 21, 2019 13:29
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Endless Mike posted:She can just go down to the basement to use the alien clothes machine. (Yes this is a real thing.) Do you want symbiotes? Because that's how you get symbiotes.
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May 21, 2019 21:18
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Cabbit posted:Do you want symbiotes? Because that's how you get symbiotes. No no it's a Shi'ar clothes machine. That one gets you Brood, not symbiotes.
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Just assume that the Alien Clothes Machine got destroyed in any of the half-dozen "oh poo poo the mansion exploded" events in the last couple of years
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