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Pulp fiction, phrase not film
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May 21, 2019 16:23
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freeedr posted:Sorry for the aside. I don’t know what pulpy means in regards to literature and I would like to. Most of the google results just use it without a clarifying context 
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May 21, 2019 16:25
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Pulpy is kind of like airport fiction. It is cheap trash that is written to be fun or eye catching but not deep. It comes from the cheap paper the magazines or books used to be printed on. Pulpy does not necessarily mean bad, but it tends to be low class. And a lot of it is trash.
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May 21, 2019 16:25
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Manhunter owns and Tom Noonan is the definitive Francis Dolarhyde.
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May 21, 2019 16:49
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Would you consider modern reality TV pulp tv?
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May 21, 2019 17:05
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Blast Fantasto posted:Manhunter owns and Tom Noonan is the definitive Francis Dolarhyde. Noonan is a delight in almost anything he does, but I really appreciate Brian Cox's idea of Hannibal Lector/Lecktor as being a low key genius who also happened to think one day that eating people was probably a good idea, as opposed to Hopkins' portrayal which is just the devil made flesh.
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May 21, 2019 17:15
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Thanks, all.
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May 21, 2019 17:16
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Baron von Eevl posted:Noonan is a delight in almost anything he does, but I really appreciate Brian Cox's idea of Hannibal Lector/Lecktor as being a low key genius who also happened to think one day that eating people was probably a good idea, as opposed to Hopkins' portrayal which is just the devil made flesh. The latter is the book hannibal though tbf. Mads is my personal favourite but all three are good
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May 21, 2019 17:19
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Yeah, I never read any of them. I'm not knocking Hopkins at all, there's a reason that performance is so iconic, but with it being that iconic it's refreshing to see such a wildly different approach to the character. I'll stan for Manhunter any day of the week. It's a tense and beautiful movie and it's different enough from the version of that universe you're familiar with to really stand apart, but Demme's understanding of the language of film really blows Mann away in just about every way.
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May 21, 2019 17:25
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Yea it's true that Silence of the Lambs delivers more memorable cinematic moments(Clarice's first trip to see Lecter, Lecter's escape, the genius editing of Clarice knocking on Buffalo Bill's front door, the finale in the basement) but I think Mann's visual style makes Manhunter just as enjoyable overall. Especially comparing Manhunter to Red Dragon though, Mann proves in that comparison why having a director with legit talent is so important. Red Dragon has so much going for it with the material from the novel + a great cast and Ratner flushes all that down the toilet with his rote, boring direction.
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May 21, 2019 17:56
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Tom Noonan should have been in more over the years. He's one of the few things keeping Robocop 2 from being unbearable. poo poo, even his five minute scene with DeNiro in Heat is wonderful. EDIT: I almost fell asleep in the theater watching Red Dragon. It was somehow one of the most boring movies I've ever seen, and it has Philip Seymour Hoffman rolling down the street in a wheelchair on fire for gently caress's sake. For all it's faults, at least Hannibal is fun to watch and actually has a style.
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May 21, 2019 17:59
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Feinnes gives his all in Red Dragon and I like that he definitely brings something different to the role than Noonan did(and is probably closer to the book version of Dollarhyde), but that's about the only positive thing I can say about it. Although it's a good enough performance that it's probably worth watching the movie once just for that.
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May 21, 2019 18:06
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I'd have to watch a supercut of his performance in Red Dragon. I also somehow completely forgot that it came out just one year after Hannibal. I could've sworn there was a three to four year gap between the two
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May 21, 2019 18:12
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Baron von Eevl posted:Noonan is a delight in almost anything he does, but I really appreciate Brian Cox's idea of Hannibal Lector/Lecktor as being a low key genius who also happened to think one day that eating people was probably a good idea, as opposed to Hopkins' portrayal which is just the devil made flesh. I can believe Cox's Lecktor went unsuspected for years. I don't think anyone could spend five minutes in a room with Hopkins' Lecter without thinking "Holy poo poo, this guy is hosed up and I need to be away from him right loving now." I think that portrayal worked better in Hannibal than in Silence of the Lambs because Hannibal really leant into the camp (for want of a better word) of this genius eating people he thought were rude.
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May 21, 2019 18:45
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I really liked Richard Armitage as the Tooth Fairy. Tbh the show was my first experience of those characters so those interpretations are all my favourite.
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May 21, 2019 19:27
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Sunswipe posted:I can believe Cox's Lecktor went unsuspected for years. I don't think anyone could spend five minutes in a room with Hopkins' Lecter without thinking "Holy poo poo, this guy is hosed up and I need to be away from him right loving now." I think that portrayal worked better in Hannibal than in Silence of the Lambs because Hannibal really leant into the camp (for want of a better word) of this genius eating people he thought were rude. Tbf the Hopkins portrayals are Lecter post capture where he didn't have to keep up the facade. The scene at the end of the Hannibal film on the plane is a good example that Hopkins could have played a pre-capture Hannibal quite well.
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May 21, 2019 19:29
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Krispy Wafer posted:For a pretty boy, Tom Cruise plays a lot of risky and unflattering roles. He may be weird IRL but it’s tough to fault his work ethic. I've been watching a lot of old Siskel & Ebert videos on Youtube, and a fair number included Tom Cruise movies. Both of them really gushed over a lot of his roles from that era. Born on the Fourth of July, Rainman, A Few Good Men, and Jerry Maguire are the ones that I can think of right off the top of my head. Even their review of Interview With a Vampire said that they got used to him in the role really quick. Like you said, say what you will about his personal life, but I really love seeing him in the Mission: Impossible movies.
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May 21, 2019 19:29
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EmmyOk posted:Tbf the Hopkins portrayals are Lecter post capture where he didn't have to keep up the facade. The scene at the end of the Hannibal film on the plane is a good example that Hopkins could have played a pre-capture Hannibal quite well. Eh, he's supposed to be trying to seem normal in the makeshift prison before he escapes and while working at the Italian museum. I'll agree that the scene on the plane is good, I just think most of Hopkins' performance was camp almost panto villain. I still really enjoy Hannibal (the movie), just wish we could have got a film that had more of Brian Cox in the role.
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May 21, 2019 19:36
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Sunswipe posted:I just think most of Hopkins' performance was camp almost panto villain. He was playing mind games with Clarice, he'd calculated all of those mannerisms fairly carefully. Glimpses of the real Lecter showed through when she figured things out and actually said something clever or interesting.
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May 21, 2019 19:46
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Sunswipe posted:Eh, he's supposed to be trying to seem normal in the makeshift prison before he escapes and while working at the Italian museum. I'll agree that the scene on the plane is good, I just think most of Hopkins' performance was camp almost panto villain. I still really enjoy Hannibal (the movie), just wish we could have got a film that had more of Brian Cox in the role. We can agree there for sure! I read the book for the first tiem recently enough and I was surprised how little Lecter is in RD.
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May 21, 2019 19:50
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Cleretic posted:The other was A Clockwork Orange, and the author of that only agreed years later that the movie had a better ending. I'm pretty sure this isn't true actually. It's possible he changed his mind though
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May 21, 2019 20:00
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In Italy you can see how Lecter is able to blend in, he knows his people. Arrogant, entitled, elitist people do not clue in at all to what Lecter is because they are basically exactly like him except they don't kill and eat people. He ran in the same kind of crowds before his capture too.
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May 21, 2019 20:01
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torgeaux posted:Having read the book before the movie, I can see King's point. The wife is a strong, intelligent character turned into the most annoying nothing. Anyone with her as a wife would have gone on a killing spree long before that, and the thought of being trapped over a winter with her as the only adult conversation is the truly terrifying part of the movie. That’s cool you have your own opinion, but I love Shelley Duvall, and also am not a murderer.
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May 21, 2019 23:48
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Olaf The Stout posted:That’s cool you have your own opinion, but I love Shelley Duvall, and also am not a murderer. That's precisely what a Shelley Duvall-loving murderer would say to sidestep suspicion.
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May 21, 2019 23:52
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Man, I didn't like Manhunter at all and don't understand all the love it gets.
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May 21, 2019 23:54
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Milo and POTUS posted:I'm pretty sure this isn't true actually. It's possible he changed his mind though It absolutely isn't true. Burgess felt that the omission of the final chapter completely changed the theme of the story and his friendship with Kubrick ended over it.
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May 22, 2019 00:11
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BiggerBoat posted:Man, I didn't like Manhunter at all and don't understand all the love it gets. It's really just an R-rated episode of Miami Vice. But I did appreciate the acting in it when I first watched it. Brian Cox was a good Hannibal too. Years later, there was a CSI episode with a Manhunter reunion between William Petersen and Tom Noonan.
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May 22, 2019 00:12
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Jedit posted:It absolutely isn't true. Burgess felt that the omission of the final chapter completely changed the theme of the story and his friendship with Kubrick ended over it. I'd heard that the final chapter was omitted in American versions of the book and would have been included in the movie otherwise. Why does literally every story about Kubrick have multiple versions?
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May 22, 2019 00:28
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Kubrick leaked them himself to keep people talking about him You really think "Kubrick was such an amazing director that the government paid him millions to fake the moon landing" came out of thin air?
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May 22, 2019 00:32
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Kubrick absolutely faked the moon landing but the technology wasn't there in the 60s to make it look realistic so the government flew him and his crew to the moon to fake it there
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May 22, 2019 00:35
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I think the cruelest rumor is that Kubrick had anything to do with Eyes Wide Shut.
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May 22, 2019 00:39
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Really? I think Eyes Wide Shut feels very Kubrick. Helps a lot that it's filmed almost entirely on sets instead of on location.
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May 22, 2019 00:45
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I think it was meant to be a dunk except Eyes Wide Shut actually owns
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May 22, 2019 00:46
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Escobarbarian posted:I think it was meant to be a dunk except Eyes Wide Shut actually owns I thought it was a dull and forgettable end to an otherwise fruitful career, but different strokes. It also doesn't help that I despise Tom Cruise.
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May 22, 2019 00:54
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I like Eyes Wide Shut but I think part of it was the real-world dissolving of Tom & Nicole's marriage influencing their on-screen performance.
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May 22, 2019 01:09
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Manhunter is great but Red Dragon just slid off my brain to the point that I was actually surprised every time I read a post naming a member of the cast. Completely stopped wondering how such a good cast turned in such a bland film once I saw Brett Ratner's name though. 
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May 22, 2019 02:07
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I liked Tom Noonan in Eight Legged Freaks. He's one of those "Hey, it's that guy!" actors for me, like Giovanni Ribisi (I think I spelled that right).
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May 22, 2019 02:12
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I think I'd love Manhunter more if it didn't have the worst "blue tint night" in film history. I hate that poo poo in general and it's especially bad in that movie.
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May 22, 2019 06:16
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torgeaux posted:Having read the book before the movie, I can see King's point. The wife is a strong, intelligent character turned into the most annoying nothing. Anyone with her as a wife would have gone on a killing spree long before that, and the thought of being trapped over a winter with her as the only adult conversation is the truly terrifying part of the movie. I dunno; for all of Duvall's playing of Wendy's 'weakness' and 'annoyingness', she was strong enough to overpower Jack, not be influenced by the hotel until the very end, and was able to think fast enough on her feet to get herself and Danny out of there. To be sure, she wasn't as steely as Ripley, she was scared as all hell, but she was still able to do the right and brave thing.
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May 22, 2019 07:01
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Basebf555 posted:In Italy you can see how Lecter is able to blend in, he knows his people. Arrogant, entitled, elitist people do not clue in at all to what Lecter is because they are basically exactly like him except they don't kill and eat people. He ran in the same kind of crowds before his capture too. Now I'm picturing Hannibal getting along splendidly with Frasier. Iirc King has a mixed relationship with adaptations, makes sense since there's been so many of them. With The Mist his reaction was basically 'why didn't I think of that?'
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