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Does this mean I can get the keybord replaced for my (functioning) MBP or does the keyboard have to have problems.
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After all the Hey We Definitely Fixed It This Time poo poo they've pulled I'm gonna hold off on sending in my 2018 Air until I start seeing people vouching for the effectiveness of whatever it is they're doing for repair jobs now. Glad I didn't jump the gun and warranty it a couple months ago when it started doubling up inputs on a few keys. Also since they're acknowledging how widespread this problem is, maybe places with authorised service centres instead of proper apple stores will keep the necessary parts in stock and I won't have to wait weeks to get mine back when I finally send it in?  Housh posted:Are the new airs a solid recommendation for people upgrading from ancient MacBooks?
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Google Express has the 2018 15" Pro for $1850, likely no tax and free shipping
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Bob Morales posted:Google Express has the 2018 15" Pro for $1850, likely no tax and free shipping They also have 13" TB Pros for $1440: https://slickdeals.net/f/13101352-apple-macbook-pro-w-touchbar-15-4-from-1852-13-3-from-1440-free-shipping?src=SiteSearch
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May 24, 2019 15:59
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FCKGW: The keyboard is fine.
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MBP 2019 ifixit teardown: https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook+Pro+15-Inch+Touch+Bar+2019+Teardown/123653 ifixit posted:the closest match for the 2018 model is polyacetylene with aromatic urethane side groups, while the 2019 model uses polyamide (commonly known as nylon).
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redeyes posted:FCKGW: The keyboard is fine.
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I'm getting my 2017 MBP 13" back from repair today. I finally became too frustrated with the USB-C not staying in any of the ports. Apparently this is a known problem. I've heard mixed statements from specialists saying that my entire logic board would have to be replaced or if it would only be the ports. Either way, I wish they'd bring bag MagSafe.
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To think that the largest company in the world can afford to replace whole unibody, CNC machined alloy topcases (presumably with the keyboard, touchpad, touchbar and battery) on such a scale just because a single key gets broken by a bread crumb. Same goes for the above poster where a loose mechanical USB-C port means replacing the entire logic board with CPU, GPU, RAM, SSD and just about everything else. It’s getting more absurd every year, makes me wonder where we are headed.
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May 25, 2019 11:04
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The airpods being glued together unrecyclable trash with batteries that die out after a year seems more emblematic of Apple and humanity
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Odd question. If there’s a used MacBook Pro (2015, 13) that has a dent on the bottom cover but otherwise is in good shape... does Apple replace it if I went to take it in and get a fresh battery? I know in theory they give it a new keyboard as well. Also, the seller has a picture posted of the hard drive, and it says 500gb. Should that be right for the official 512 gb hard drive? I don’t want to purchase with a user replaced drive (so Apple won’t replace the battery for $200). Lastly, even if the battery is fine (but has a lot of charges on it) will Apple replace it if I just ask them too? (And lay the $200).
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May 25, 2019 17:47
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eames posted:To think that the largest company in the world can afford to replace whole unibody, CNC machined alloy topcases (presumably with the keyboard, touchpad, touchbar and battery) on such a scale just because a single key gets broken by a bread crumb. The parts are cheaper thank you think - they wouldn't offer a battery/topcase/keyboard replacement for $200 if they weren't.
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LionArcher posted:Odd question. If there’s a used MacBook Pro (2015, 13) that has a dent on the bottom cover but otherwise is in good shape... does Apple replace it if I went to take it in and get a fresh battery? I know in theory they give it a new keyboard as well. Also, the seller has a picture posted of the hard drive, and it says 500gb. Should that be right for the official 512 gb hard drive? I don’t want to purchase with a user replaced drive (so Apple won’t replace the battery for $200). Lastly, even if the battery is fine (but has a lot of charges on it) will Apple replace it if I just ask them too? (And lay the $200). I just paid to have my 2015 13" MBp battery replaced, and they did not replace the bottom cover (presumably because the serial number is on it?) The genius added a note that the battery swelling was causing it to bulge, even. It's fine now, but still, not replaced. I did get a new keyboard and trackpad out of it, though.
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Apple claims in the release notes for 10.14.5 that "audio latency in 2018 MacBook Pros has been fixed." Really? Computers have provided USB audio for years but you couldn't get audio right on your fancy schmancy T2 chip or write the basic USB stack right? What the gently caress is wrong with you, Apple? First fixing a retarded keyboard design since 2015, then getting basic poo poo wrong like audio?! How the gently caress do you do quality control these days? By holding up the defective part, then facing in the general direction of Steve's grave, then saying 'Hey Steve, this is good, right? Right!' Then proceed to leave everything just as hosed up as before. The 2019 speed bumped rMBPs are proof positive of this strategy. They're in the keyboard repair program too!
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LionArcher posted:Odd question. If there’s a used MacBook Pro (2015, 13) that has a dent on the bottom cover but otherwise is in good shape... does Apple replace it if I went to take it in and get a fresh battery? I know in theory they give it a new keyboard as well. Also, the seller has a picture posted of the hard drive, and it says 500gb. Should that be right for the official 512 gb hard drive? I don’t want to purchase with a user replaced drive (so Apple won’t replace the battery for $200). Lastly, even if the battery is fine (but has a lot of charges on it) will Apple replace it if I just ask them too? (And lay the $200).
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They probably have a scheduled redesign every five years so if poo poo sucks they just duct tape it every refresh until the redesign.
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LionArcher posted:Also, the seller has a picture posted of the hard drive, and it says 500gb. Should that be right for the official 512 gb hard drive? I don’t want to purchase with a user replaced drive (so Apple won’t replace the battery for $200). I have a 2013 15" with the original Apple OEM 512GB SSD and its capacity shows as 500 GB in the Finder or Disk Utility. It's more likely to be the original drive than not, imo. I doubt they'd refuse to do the battery service even if there was a different SSD in there.
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eames posted:a loose mechanical USB-C port means replacing the entire logic board with CPU, GPU, RAM, SSD and just about everything else It does not. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA9VqG4j5kk&t=45s
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Lazyhound posted:I’ve got a real bad case of analysis paralysis right now in terms of deciding between a Mac mini vs a hackintosh vs a 2015 MBP vs a cheese-grater Mac Pro vs just sticking with my existing Mac until High Sierra stops getting security updates. Thanks all for the replies. I’m currently heading home in a taxi with a 2010 Mac Pro that I snagged for $360 CAD. 
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BobHoward posted:I have a 2013 15" with the original Apple OEM 512GB SSD and its capacity shows as 500 GB in the Finder or Disk Utility. It's more likely to be the original drive than not, imo. Thanks. It was my only fear. The small dent I don’t care about really, so I may hop on this deal. Another $200 to get a brand new keyboard and battery is worth it since I want to keep it for two or three years
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I just started a new job that has me on a 2018 15" MBP (right before the most recent refresh) which is just an absolute beast. I don't want to lug this thing home when I want to work from home. I have an old Macbook Air from 2012 that no longer holds a charge, so it's time for me to upgrade. I'm fine to bring it on trips when necessary (I don't travel often). I already have my big nerd gaming PC setup which means I have a good monitor, keyboard and mouse. Anyone have experience using the refreshed Mac Minis for Xcode app development? I'm thinking I could pick that up with good hardware (upgrade the ram by myself outside of Apple) and have it run on a KVM switch for ~$1750. That'll still keep me about $750 less than the 13" MBP or 27" iMac that I'd get otherwise.
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Lazyhound posted:Thanks all for the replies. I’m currently heading home in a taxi with a 2010 Mac Pro that I snagged for $360 CAD. Flash that sucker from a 4,1 to a 5,1, add RAM, slap in a Sapphire Pulse RX580 8 GB, and you'll be running Mojave with the best of them. The one thing you won't be able to do with this that you could with a newer Mac is watch Netflix in Safari. But you can just use Google Chrome or any other browser instead.
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Doh004 posted:I just started a new job that has me on a 2018 15" MBP (right before the most recent refresh) which is just an absolute beast. I don't want to lug this thing home when I want to work from home. I have an old Macbook Air from 2012 that no longer holds a charge, so it's time for me to upgrade. I'm fine to bring it on trips when necessary (I don't travel often). Do you think you need 4-6 cores for that? A lot of app developers/tinkerers over the last decade have been happy using dual-core Minis/Airs/MBPs that are way less powerful than anything Apple sells right now and I’m wondering if you can get by with one of the new Airs. It seems like it’d be a better ‘personal mac’ for your needs than getting a second desktop- esp since you don’t seem to have pretensions of gaming on it or whatever (and if you wanted to there’s a few different apps that will let you stream your PC’s output to another computer on the same network so a portable notebook sounds  as a companion to that)I figure on days where you need the horsepower of the 15” you can just bring it home with you like 99% of 15” MBP owners. I mean, I literally walk 3 miles a day with my (superior, chunkier) 2013 model in my backpack so what’s your excuse? If it works for your needs and you really need the power/$1700 is worth not moving a 15” mbp to you, a Mini is really awesome tho. Only downside is the GPU they gave it but that is arguably fixable in a way. I’d love to see Apple switch to the CPUs Intel made with AMD that have Vega branding for the 2019 model tho. Edit: also one of my best friends is a product manager at a software company and he basically tried to do something similar and expensed himself a work-from-home desktop. AFAIK he ends up having to drag his work MBP home with him most days he wants to work there anyway just because of the nature of the job he does. So ymmv, but I don’t know your job. trilobite terror fucked around with this message at 18:30 on May 26, 2019 |
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Electric Bugaloo posted:Do you think you need 4-6 cores for that? A lot of app developers/tinkerers over the last decade have been happy using dual-core Minis/Airs/MBPs that are way less powerful than anything Apple sells right now and I’m wondering if you can get by with one of the new Airs. It seems like it’d be a better ‘personal mac’ for your needs than getting a second desktop- esp since you don’t seem to have pretensions of gaming on it or whatever (and if you wanted to there’s a few different apps that will let you stream your PC’s output to another computer on the same network so a portable notebook sounds Yeah, I've been doing iOS development full time for the past 6 years and started out on 2012 Air which lasted plenty long enough. I just started this new job two weeks ago but I'd been using the 13" MBP as my main work laptop and really fell in love with its size and portability - and it was always more than sufficiently powerful. I think that explains my aversion to the 15" as it feels "wrong" when compared to the 13" (it also doesn't fit in my messenger bag which, yes, I could get a new one). I definitely need my own macOS machine and had been looking at the Airs, but it seems the reviews on them were lackluster and they have had the same keyboard issues? Doesn't look like the new keyboard fixes in the most recent refresh has made their way to the Airs yet? I do agree it'd be nice to work around the apartment and not just at my desktop when working from home. Electric Bugaloo posted:Edit: also one of my best friends is a product manager at a software company and he basically tried to do something similar and expensed himself a work-from-home desktop. AFAIK he ends up having to drag his work MBP home with him most days he wants to work there anyway just because of the nature of the job he does. So ymmv, but I don’t know your job. I'm an Engineering Manager at yet another software startup - so I don't do a TON of programming anymore but it is still a core competency that I need to be able to have to keep things moving. Doh004 fucked around with this message at 18:36 on May 26, 2019 |
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Electric Bugaloo posted:Do you think you need 4-6 cores for that? A lot of app developers/tinkerers over the last decade have been happy using dual-core Minis/Airs/MBPs that are way less powerful than anything Apple sells right now and I’m wondering if you can get by with one of the new Airs. I don't disagree, but there's also lots of developers who want a bunch of cores to keep compile times down. Even a modestly sized C++ project can end up having horrific compile times due to template junk like Boost. The 6-core mini is actually a "pro" machine designed for the specific set of pro users who need a medium count of fast cores and not much else. I know someone who is both a musician and a programmer who just picked one up because, aside from compilation, lots of cores are also good for Logic Pro.
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If you don’t already have a display/aren’t totally strapped for cash getting an iMac is almost always the better value tho. I love the Mini just on principle and I totally get its raison d’etre, and I’d loooove an excuse to have one because I’ve had a soft spot for tower/slab desktop Macs since my dad replaced his Macintosh Classic with some variety of Performa in ‘94, but it’s such a mixed bag for most home users. Like by the time you’re dropping $1200-$1400 on the Mini you can spend about $400-$500 more for an equivalently-specced 5k iMac with a 570X. And if you don’t already have a display you’re probably going to be paying more for the Mini to have a similar experience when all is said and done (certainly way, way more if you want a 27” 5K screen), and it won’t have a dGPU. Hell for $100-$200 more than the Mini you can get a 6-core 4K iMac with a 560x that’ll run circles around the Mini’s iGPU. Doh004 posted:Yeah, I've been doing iOS development full time for the past 6 years and started out on 2012 Air which lasted plenty long enough. I just started this new job two weeks ago but I'd been using the 13" MBP as my main work laptop and really fell in love with its size and portability - and it was always more than sufficiently powerful. I think that explains my aversion to the 15" as it feels "wrong" when compared to the 13" (it also doesn't fit in my messenger bag which, yes, I could get a new one). OP, if you really need six+ cores and you’re not averse to mixing the aesthetics of an iMac and your existing monitor, I’d argue for dropping ~$1500-$1800 on an iMac instead of a Mini. Maybe wait for refurbs to come out in the next few months. You said you’d be spending $700 less on the Mini than the iMac you’d get but if you just try to spec match and forego any GPU upgrades and keep the SSD <512gb I don’t see where you’re still not coming out ahead assuming you spend like $2k at most. 4K or 5K model.
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BobHoward posted:I don't disagree, but there's also lots of developers who want a bunch of cores to keep compile times down. Even a modestly sized C++ project can end up having horrific compile times due to template junk like Boost. This is basically me. I'd use this machine to mostly develop the application locally while also probably running a bunch of the associated services/APIs required to run it (bunch of docker containers yadda yadda yadda). Nothing hugely intensive. Electric Bugaloo posted:If you don’t already have a display/aren’t totally strapped for cash getting an iMac is almost always the better value tho. I love the Mini just on principle and I totally get its raison d’etre, and I’d loooove an excuse to have one because I’ve had a soft spot for tower/slab desktop Macs since my dad replaced his Macintosh Classic with some variety of Performa in ‘94, but it’s such a mixed bag for most home users. All good points. I guess I can write it out like this: Shared specs across the Mac Mini and iMac: 8th gen i5 6 core CPU 8 gb of ram (aftermarket upgrade) 512 gb SSD (256 *could* suffice but it will be a pretty heavily used development machine with a bunch of environments installed) Mac mini: $1300 5k 27" iMac: $2300 (I wouldn't do the 21.5" iMac) I already have a 1440p 27" 144mhz GSync gaming monitor along with my nerd keyboard and mouse. Therefore, that extra $1k gets me: - Dedicated GPU (don't really need it as I won't game on the mac and I don't make games) - Big nice monitor - Separated out workspace to share with the wife when I'm working and playing games. I also don't give a poo poo about overlapping aesthetics. Mu Zeta posted:You can get a new battery for your 2012 Air for $130. I could! But it also has a 128gb SSD in it and I literally don't have enough space on it to upgrade Xcode versions without deleting the previous version first. I'm cool with retiring the 7 year old laptop!
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Binary Badger posted:Flash that sucker from a 4,1 to a 5,1, add RAM, slap in a Sapphire Pulse RX580 8 GB, and you'll be running Mojave with the best of them. It turns out that the GPU situation in Mojave is kind of a pain if you want features like Boot Camp and FileVault to Just Work™. The fastest card that supports both the boot manager screen and Metal is the GTX 680. I probably would’ve a lot less gung-ho about the MP as an option if I’d done my research, but at that price I just jumped on it  .
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You don’t need the boot screen. You can restart into MacOS from windows and vice versa using the toolbar icon/tray icon. FileVault, you can probably just type your password in blind? How often are you going to be rebooting or shutting down a desktop anyway?
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Uh, kinda worse than that.. Apple doesn't officially support FileVault on Mac Pro 5,1s. https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208898 In fact, they tell you to shut it off before upgrading. There is a hack available to get FileVault working but it requires a fresh Mojave install.. It's great to be using current-level NVMe SSDs as boot and work drives, though.
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Granite Octopus posted:You don’t need the boot screen. You can restart into MacOS from windows and vice versa using the toolbar icon/tray icon. There’s an issue with the BootCamp software not working in windows though, so you can boot in but then can’t change the boot order to boot out. I use BootChamp though and it works fine since it only makes a one-time boot order change and reverts to Mac OS on next boot.
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So Louis rossman just dropped a video on how he recommends the 2014 MacBook Pro over the 2015 because of the sata cable failing? I’ve never heard of this and I wanted a 2015 because you can plug into a 4K display... should I rethink? Thoughts thread?
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FCKGW posted:Rossman is a lunatic So 2015 is the best of the old ones to buy?
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I have bad opinions about the keyboards, don’t listen to me On the flip side Rossman can’t accept the fact that computers are appliances now and wants Apple to make ThinkPad-esque tanks.
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Remember when we used to carry around Mac Mini’s with 2 hours of battery life and think we were living in the future? I’m debating finding a charger for this. But it’s the model whose glue in the keyboard smelled like body odor as it aged. So yes, there was a keyboard even worse than the new one. Look at all those ports! 
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