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Saigyouji posted:Except we can directly compare Art of War and Miasma II to see how potencies are going to work out, since they're functionally the same. (Miasma II is in most cases a 100 potency spell since you never let the DoT tick. It's 200 potency on ST because it's only used for weaving there. AoW is a flat 150.) Okay. But you are still literally judging the potency numbers by previous potency, which they said not to do. You are assuming 150 potency in ShB is the same as 150 potency in SB, which they said is not the case. I am not saying it won't be less damage. I'm saying we genuinely don't know until we get our hands on it but one of the things they literally said is that potency is not the same.
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(Also none of this addresses the whole "SCHs in pre-71 content will spend the majority of their time pressing 1 button" issue.)
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May 27, 2019 19:08
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Saigyouji posted:(Also none of this addresses the whole "SCHs in pre-71 content will spend the majority of their time pressing 1 button" issue.) Maybe that's not actually going to be an issue so it doesn't need to be addressed 
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May 27, 2019 19:17
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I would once more caution reading much into leaked actions, because they're all from an old version with different potencies, potencies themselves are being revamped, and a number of changes were done with tanks that will likely change how healers interact with them post-50.
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May 27, 2019 19:20
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Vermain posted:I would once more caution reading much into leaked actions, because they're all from an old version with different potencies, potencies themselves are being revamped, and a number of changes were done with tanks that will likely change how healers interact with them post-50. You mean the leaks are not exactly what we'll be playing in a month? I'm shocked, I tell you!
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May 27, 2019 19:22
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orcane posted:Maybe that's not actually going to be an issue so it doesn't need to be addressed I mean the SCH DPS rotation was already super simple in SB but at least there was some nuance to weaving oGCDs Now it's just a 2 button rotation at best and is going to be boring as hell unless they seriously make healing a taxing concern (they are not going to make healing a taxing concern) Also the lack of ability to dump excess Aetherflow stacks at 45 seconds kind of sucks and seems like a big oversight
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May 27, 2019 19:22
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Ryanbomber posted:(they are not going to make healing a taxing concern) Considering that they're giving every healer, like, 3-4 new actions solely based around healing without carving away their previous healing tools, I wouldn't be so sure.
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May 27, 2019 19:26
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Vermain posted:Considering that they're giving every healer, like, 3-4 new actions solely based around healing without carving away their previous healing tools, I wouldn't be so sure. The only healing ability they've ever removed was Stoneskin They've added several healing tools in both expansions Don't get your hopes up
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May 27, 2019 19:32
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orcane posted:Maybe that's not actually going to be an issue so it doesn't need to be addressed If we assume the leaked skill lists are true, I'm far more willing to accept that this is another 4.0 SCH situation than "they rebalanced every fight in the game".
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May 27, 2019 19:34
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Saigyouji posted:If we assume the leaked skill lists are true, I'm far more willing to accept that this is another 4.0 SCH situation than "they rebalanced every fight in the game". I'm saying it's that first assumption that might not be accurate, no one said anything about them rebalancing all the encounters. Sure they have hosed up before and maybe they will gently caress up again and healers will be bad to play for a patch or a half, but it's super pointless to launch into elaborate theorycrafting rants on how bad exactly and why, with the info that's actually known.
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May 27, 2019 19:38
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Failboattootoot posted:Saw a reddit post about getting 1 tome per 6 minutes doing 4 blu runs of tam tara and cheesing self destruct and final sting. that isn't even good, you can solo it in like 4 minutes on RDM or any other class that has a big enough attack to one-shot the last boss.
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May 27, 2019 19:47
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Griz posted:that isn't even good, you can solo it in like 4 minutes on RDM or any other class that has a big enough attack to one-shot the last boss. Unsynced parties don't get tomestones for completing the given duties.
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May 27, 2019 19:48
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So, is anyone else looking forward to hearing the main theme to shadowbringers? After revolutions Im really looking forward to having a good one again.
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May 27, 2019 19:52
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Zoig posted:So, is anyone else looking forward to hearing the main theme to shadowbringers? After revolutions Im really looking forward to having a good one again. Square let me pick my own main menu music
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May 27, 2019 19:53
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It'll be nice to not hear "BWAAAAA BWAH" because I let the login in screen sit for more than 10 seconds
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May 27, 2019 19:56
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The new menu music is pa-paya
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May 27, 2019 19:56
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I'm looking forward to the new battle music.
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May 27, 2019 19:56
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The music they have in the abilities preview demo when the Warrior comes up is banging and I want to see where it is in the game. It also remixes a few interesting songs together and the link isn't apparent to me.
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May 27, 2019 19:58
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Ryanbomber posted:The only healing ability they've ever removed was Stoneskin How quickly we forget Protect, smdh.
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May 27, 2019 20:02
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Based on the last song they use in the job trailer during the portion of Summoner/Machinist/Dancer/Dark Knight, I am extremely hype for the main theme. It sounds like the boss theme and those are usually a heavy remix of the main theme.
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May 27, 2019 20:03
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bigmandan posted:I'm looking forward to the new battle music.
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May 27, 2019 20:06
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FactsAreUseless posted:I haven't had battle music turned on in so long I forgot it was a thing I loved Heavensward battle music but I was indifferent to Stormblood's battle music. In the live letter i think you could hear it just a bit when they were showing off gun/rdm/blm/dnc and there was a sweet guitar riff in there.
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May 27, 2019 20:32
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Stormblood overused its main leitmotif and it kinda sucks because it peaks with Royal Menagerie and then you have to listen to the less interesting versions for five patches.
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May 27, 2019 20:34
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as a healer main since 1.0: i'm not thrilled with the changes and i'm extremely skeptical. i'm getting my hopes up for wednesday but that's probably just gonna make me even more disappointed. going from "oh wow, we might get a fourth healer!" to "all healers now have one dot and one nuke and one aoe and no (or one) ogcd" is pretty bland when they were already kind of simple.
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May 27, 2019 20:36
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Here’s a crappy PS4 pic uploaded to imgur from my phone. Ya’ll take really nice pictures. 
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May 27, 2019 20:42
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Arist posted:Stormblood overused its main leitmotif and it kinda sucks because it peaks with Royal Menagerie and then you have to listen to the less interesting versions for five patches.
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May 27, 2019 20:52
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:This is how bad ASTs played yeah. i'm curious for an example of any situation in an 8-man where a spread balance is less than ideal
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May 27, 2019 20:57
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somepartsareme posted:i'm curious for an example of any situation in an 8-man where a spread balance is less than ideal It's the ideal yes but fishing for it it for multiple c/d's of draw isn't better over say, playing an expanded spear every now and then. Like it is the thing you were wanting the most but holding out for it over a longer period of time hurt you more than playing slightly sub-optimal spreads after not getting it for a bit.
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May 27, 2019 21:06
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somepartsareme posted:i'm curious for an example of any situation in an 8-man where a spread balance is less than ideal Seiryu's add phase doesn't especially need it, the Bole can take the edge off healing that part.
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May 27, 2019 21:07
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I think their point was more along the lines of balance not being the only useful card.
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May 27, 2019 21:09
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Die Sexmonster! posted:Seiryu's add phase doesn't especially need it, the Bole can take the edge off healing that part. Yeah also this, rolling draw/redraw and sleeve and not getting the magical ideal but ending up with an AoE Spear and a bole for your tank was still fine. Hell I'd even call it pretty okay. More DPS, maybe you've got a crit lord in the party, less need to focus on healing for a bit. The bad ast play I was referring to (and it's in the post I quoted) is only fishing for Spread balance because "IT'S THE OPTIMUM!" Astroniomix posted:I think their point was more along the lines of balance not being the only useful card. Yeah it's not that balance wasn't the best it's that the other cards were pretty okay buffs (except spire unless you ran with a SkS samurai I guess?) and you were better off just playing 'sub optimal hands' instead of just holding out for the dream pair of RR and Balance.
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My understanding was basically AOE Arrow/Spear was fine and not worth fishing for Balance from.
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Gorelab posted:My understanding was basically AOE Arrow/Spear was fine and not worth fishing for Balance from. Arrow could be argued a little bit depending on your team... Some people's rotations/tp management could get fumbled because of it (but BLM and SAMs loved it usually) Spear was usually a good secondary prize. I might fish for Balance if I had a sleeve draw still on them though. But i like to play the slots so
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Minrad posted:as a healer main since 1.0: i'm not thrilled with the changes and i'm extremely skeptical. i'm getting my hopes up for wednesday but that's probably just gonna make me even more disappointed. It's not like any of the healers are losing much if they're pared down to this standard. Also the healing throughput shown in all of these leaks is insane even when you say "potencies do not reflect updated math", plus every tank is gaining additional self-sustain on top of it, so it feels like fight design might be taking a turn for the hot and heavy.
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My view on the card buffs is a little skewed of course because I solo healed some spots in the last 2 tiers effectively and so things like Ewer and Bole were way way way more appreciated than "Well here's 6% damage buff" ever could be.
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Gorelab posted:My understanding was basically AOE Arrow/Spear was fine and not worth fishing for Balance from. No one's complaining if you give them a Spear. Arrow is definitely a DPS gain, but rigid rotations like DRG and MCH get thrown askew if you up their skill speed. It's fine if you're expecting it, but not the kind of thing I like foisting onto people.
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May 27, 2019 21:17
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If the leaks are real and the only spender on the tokens is another "Party wide 3 or 6% dps buff" then these card are entirely loving pointless and a really heavy handed way to deal with some of he buffs being situationally useful, esp. since the Minor arcana seem to just do the exact same poo poo as the main cards. It's conceptually boring and makes the card busywork seem wholly unrewarding when you're just pushing 20 buttons to get a ~5% buff on a few people at a time.
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May 27, 2019 21:20
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Another potential change I'm not sure about is the Ninja skill that eats suiton for ninki just because that just feels like it'd be both dull and probably fairly clippy.
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Arist posted:Stormblood overused its main leitmotif and it kinda sucks because it peaks with Royal Menagerie and then you have to listen to the less interesting versions for five patches. And I still don't understand why the resistance and the garleans use the same melody for their anthems. It seems really weird. And it really gets old fast.
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Pigbottom posted:And I still don't understand why the resistance and the garleans use the same melody for their anthems. It seems really weird. And it really gets old fast. Because the Garleans are imperialists who stole the Ala Mhigan anthem when they invaded, like imperialists tend to do.
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