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Turtlicious posted:I was actually homeless in California, and if you lived near hollywood & vine, there's a non zero percent chance I shat on your side walk because I didn't have a quarter for the porta potty. I work a block away from there. I see homeless encampments all over the place. Why don't we (California) have the same regulations as New York in regards to supplying housing?
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Turtlicious posted:Find me a place to s hit on hollywood and vine. The Starbucks there is probably the best bet. I'm sure they have some sort of code, but it's busy and you would get in if you just waited for someone to exit the head.
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May 29, 2019 19:19
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Sydin posted:Rich people: "Ugh, there are so many homeless clogging up my SF neighborhood! We should really do something about this problem!" edited for truthiness.
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May 29, 2019 19:20
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VideoGameVet posted:The Starbucks there is probably the best bet. I'm sure they have some sort of code, but it's busy and you would get in if you just waited for someone to exit the head. I thought they just posted the codes on the doors now? After that whole situation they had at that one location that made national news. Or do some Starbucks still keep the codes hidden?
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May 29, 2019 22:30
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VideoGameVet posted:edited for truthiness. What happened with that shelter? I'm assuming it got blocked on some obscure technicality because that seems to be how everything works in SF
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May 29, 2019 22:30
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VideoGameVet posted:I work a block away from there. I see homeless encampments all over the place. Why don't we (California) have the same regulations as New York in regards to supplying housing? Same reason we just re-banned rent control and have prop 13; outside of national elections we're the texas of the west
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BeAuMaN posted:I thought they just posted the codes on the doors now? After that whole situation they had at that one location that made national news. Or do some Starbucks still keep the codes hidden? some do, some don't. FYI: My ex manages one of the busiest Starbucks in the USA (Cape Cod) and sadly the bathrooms are often used by addicts to shoot up various drugs. Ambulances are often called. Anyway, the tactic is to wait for one of the code-savvy to exit the room and then walk in and use it.
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May 29, 2019 22:59
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The Glumslinger posted:What happened with that shelter? I'm assuming it got blocked on some obscure technicality because that seems to be how everything works in SF It wound up approved but was scaled down from 200 beds to 130 beds and changed to a temporary shelter that will only operate for 2 years before a review, after which it can be extended for up to 2 more years. The anti-shelter group are still going to be trying to fight it in court.
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May 29, 2019 23:56
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VideoGameVet posted:The Starbucks there is probably the best bet. I'm sure they have some sort of code, but it's busy and you would get in if you just waited for someone to exit the head. Power move: just drop trou and take a poo poo in front of the creamer station.
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florida lan posted:Power move: just drop trou and take a poo poo in front of the creamer station. What I don't understand is why the Metro Station there (Red Line) doesn't have a single bathroom in it. So of course, the elevators are used as urinals. As to your suggestion, how about the Lobby of the 'W'?
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fermun posted:It wound up approved but was scaled down from 200 beds to 130 beds and changed to a temporary shelter that will only operate for 2 years before a review, after which it can be extended for up to 2 more years. The anti-shelter group are still going to be trying to fight it in court. My only regret to moving out of SF is that the left took too long to start really waking up to actually win that city on a fair fight. I am included in that, but gently caress it pains me that at least for the short term, the assholes won SF.
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VideoGameVet posted:What I don't understand is why the Metro Station there (Red Line) doesn't have a single bathroom in it. So of course, the elevators are used as urinals. Wait, seriously? What the gently caress?
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Admiral Ray posted:Wait, seriously? What the gently caress? In fact, I haven't seen a restroom at the Universal City Red Line station either. Union Station does have restrooms.
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Remember caligoons upgrade your fire insurance as prices shoot up in the rebuild phase your policy of today may not be enough or the inferno of tomorrow
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Remember caligoons upgrade your fire insurance as prices shoot up in the rebuild phase your policy of today may not be enough or the inferno of tomorrow One "will happen for sure" thing in "A Full Life" is when the insurance companies BK and stop paying claims.
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Speaking of which, they officially determined the cause of one of the 2 fires that merged to create the Mendocino Complex firequote:According to the agency’s investigative report, a ranch owner off Highway 20 was trying to set up some summer shade for his water tank when he “agitated an underground yellow jacket’s nest,” then tried to plug it. I picture the rancher as Chris Farley for some reason
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Jun 7, 2019 01:32
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The Glumslinger posted:Speaking of which, they officially determined the cause of one of the 2 fires that merged to create the Mendocino Complex fire So, like a spark from the hammering started it? I'm unclear on what caused the fire here.
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Yeah presumably when he hit the stake with his hammer it caused some sparks which ignited the dried out brush lying around.
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Jun 7, 2019 04:42
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Boy those wasps sure had the last laugh
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I sure hope that guy is going to jail.
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VideoGameVet posted:I work a block away from there. I see homeless encampments all over the place. Why don't we (California) have the same regulations as New York in regards to supplying housing? I've been kicked out of that starbucks before because my smell offended customers, and when I said I just wanted to use the restroom I was told no because a different homeless person did drugs in there once. This was in 2010, 2009? Though the whole point is moot because I think they put bathroom in the red line now?
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Dead Reckoning posted:I sure hope that guy is going to jail. lmao I reflex-quoted this post to disagree with it and then I saw it was loving Dead Reckoning, of course it was. even a broken clock is right twice a day, you HAVE to be posting bad takes deliberately the dude did everything he could to stop the fire when it was small and then reported it as soon as it was clear it was out of his control, how is that his fault? because he happens to live on a farm during a severe drought?
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Dead Reckoning posted:I sure hope that guy is going to jail. I think you're mixing him up with PG&E
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The Glumslinger posted:Speaking of which, they officially determined the cause of one of the 2 fires that merged to create the Mendocino Complex fire lol I was reading that same article and imagined Mr Bean
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Cup Runneth Over posted:the dude did everything he could to stop the fire when it was small and then reported it as soon as it was clear it was out of his control, how is that his fault? because he happens to live on a farm during a severe drought?
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Clearly this could have all been avoided if the guy had just raked his farm prior to attempting wasp prevention. Trump - 1 California - 0 
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Dead Reckoning posted:I think that, if whatever you did resulted in the immolation of 1,660 km2 and 280 structures, there need to be some sort of consequences for your actions. And yes, I think this applies to whoever at PG&E signed off on allowing their equipment to fall into disrepair as well. It sounds like the whole area was ready to immolate and this guy just happened to be the one unlucky enough to inadvertently provide a spark. What good does imprisonment do here?
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Punishing someone even if they didn't do something actually wrong because that looks like it could've been a crime that must be punished is certainly a take.
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I think our current theories of negligence are outdated. A single careless person can introduce an invasive species that devastates ecosystems or ruins agricultural regions. People who stop taking antibiotics because they feel better decrease their effectiveness for everyone and contribute to bacterial resistance. Our laws as they are now don't adequately reflect the fact that, in our increasingly interconnected world, one person's carelessness can have devastating consequences. Everyone thinks their minor actions don't matter in the big picture, but it is becoming increasingly clear that they can be incredibly consequential.
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I think you'd be right if his spark caused a small fire and just threw up his hands and let it burn but the dude legitimately tried everything in his power to stop it.
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Failure to prevent a spark during activities that don't traditionally cause sparks isn't carelessness. Now if you're in the middle of your tinderbox backyard going to town on a chunk of metal with an angle grinder, that might be a different story.
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Dead Reckoning posted:I think our current theories of negligence are outdated. A single careless person can introduce an invasive species that devastates ecosystems or ruins agricultural regions. People who stop taking antibiotics because they feel better decrease their effectiveness for everyone and contribute to bacterial resistance. Our laws as they are now don't adequately reflect the fact that, in our increasingly interconnected world, one person's carelessness can have devastating consequences. Everyone thinks their minor actions don't matter in the big picture, but it is becoming increasingly clear that they can be incredibly consequential. We have a concept in criminal law called mens rea, meaning, state of mind. It fundamentally underlines the concept of culpability. It says that what actually happened, while important, is mitigated or exacerbated by what the person intended or was thinking. This is the only difference between different degrees of murder, for example; premeditation makes the killing worse than if it was an impulse, spur of the moment thing; and that in turn is still worse than if it was unintended but caused by recklessness, and still less if it was merely negligence. Negligence is the lowest form of culpability; beyond that, a person may have done an act, but they're not guilty of a crime, because they acted in a reasonable manner that any normal person might have acted. This is correct and good. Although it's not always easy for a courtroom to determine the state of someone's mind, their actions often telegraph it. In this case, that farmer was, at worst, negligent in some way. The courts often use a "reasonable man" theory to test that idea: would a reasonable person, equipped with the knowledge that a normal person or a person in their profession or position would have, have known better or acted in a better way? In this case, you could argue that a reasonable person would have understood that there was a fire danger; but, most people probably don't consider that hammering a stake in the ground could cause a fire. I doubt his actions would be judged as rising to the level of even negligence, and certainly nowhere near deliberate action. If he was found guilty of anything, you'd expect in a case like this he'd get the bare minimum penalty for committing a misdemeanor. Perhaps a fine or something. Regardless: our "current theories of negligence" are pretty solidly spot on, when the courts and laws operate as written and intended. There are miscarriages of justice all the time, of course, but those failings are not remedied by throwing random innocent mistake-makers into jail for decades. That's not justice, and it's a piss-poor way to try to steer society into being more responsible, too. Leperflesh fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Jun 7, 2019 |
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Leperflesh posted:There are miscarriages of justice all the time, of course, but those failings are not remedied by throwing random innocent mistake-makers into jail for decades. Me, a genius: but then who do I blame? We should punish this person so that they won't do it again.
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Dead Reckoning posted:I think that, if whatever you did resulted in the immolation of 1,660 km2 and 280 structures, there need to be some sort of consequences for your actions. And yes, I think this applies to whoever at PG&E signed off on allowing their equipment to fall into disrepair as well. gently caress you, moron (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Dead Reckoning posted:I think that, if whatever you did resulted in the immolation of 1,660 km2 and 280 structures, there need to be some sort of consequences for your actions. And yes, I think this applies to whoever at PG&E signed off on allowing their equipment to fall into disrepair as well. I think that this take of "there should be consequences for events you had absolutely no control over" perfectly exemplifies the mindset of people like you who are more concerned with punishment and retribution than justice. Though again, I'm being generous in assuming that this is truly what you believe and not a deliberately rear end-backwards opinion you've whipped out to ensure that every post you make in this thread is offensive to the senses. I truly wish that the mods would finally step up and ban you from this thread like they banned you from the Current Events thread. Also, Pomp posted:gently caress you, moron
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someone should arrest whoever made that hammer asap
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It's severely negligent to allow the tools you make to be sold to and acquired by people who might end up using them to start fires, whether they're intended for that purpose or not. If you had been more careful in vetting who you sell hammers to, that fire wouldn't have happened. I'm thinking 20 years is a good minimum jail sentence for such an offense?
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yeah but don't forget the 4-wheeler manufacturer or the guy's parents for that matter
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Maybe this is a question for the OSHA thread, or perhaps some kind of "please teach me life lessons I should have learned a long time ago" thread, but: I'm just a computer toucher, but I do know that when there's fire danger, not only should I not start a fire, but also I shouldn't use an angle grinder, nor park my car on dry grass. I never would have thought that using a hammer was something I shouldn't do, but then maybe people who live in the country have better knowledge in this area  I do remember someone saying to me something like "I hit <some metal thing> with <some other metal thing that wasn't a hammer> and a bit of metal flew off and lodged in my arm and I remembered how my dad said you should never hit metal with metal" but then how the gently caress am I supposed to hammer in a nail? I wish I had thought of that response at the time he said that.
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Dead Reckoning posted:I think that, if whatever you did resulted in the immolation of 1,660 km2 and 280 structures, there need to be some sort of consequences for your actions. And yes, I think this applies to whoever at PG&E signed off on allowing their equipment to fall into disrepair as well. What if you shoot an unarmed person as a cop? Does there need to be criminal consequences for their actions then?
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