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don't even watch the answer jesus christ it's bad. 3's ending is perfect, just leave it. I played FES a long long time ago and fell back in love with the series with 5. I'm going back through 4 for the first time, and it completely holds together as a modern game, especially with a widescreen patch and 5x native resolution. The only thing I think 5 completely blows away 4 with is the soundtrack, but 5's soundtrack has ruined me for all other game soundtracks forever, even Meguro's other work.
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Has there been any indication about whether they're going to clean up the localization when 5R hits over in North America/Europe? Decided to deal with the party AI in 3FES and now I'm OK with it. Sure it'll screw me over sometime but 
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May 31, 2019 22:29
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Portable also has the FeMC route which generally has better social links than base P3.
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Hot take: While the party AI in Persona 3 can be frustrating, in general it reinforces the themes of the game, and the game suffers when it's removed. It makes the party members feel much more like separate people from the protagonist; you're playing as the main character, not as the spooky ghost of SEES who possesses everyone during combat.
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Jun 1, 2019 00:22
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Counterpoint: the "separate people" idea was bad from the start.
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Jun 1, 2019 00:24
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It was a really good idea in a game where lots of enemies starting in the early game have Charm spells
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I will hold Persona 3 up as the best modern entry, but I will never defend the AI party
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Okay so I’m gonna go portable because being able to play on bus and trips sounds nice. I don’t know if I could have beat P4G without it
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Just don't do Ken's Social Link if you do the Female MC route. While almost all of her other unique ones are better, that may be the single worst social link in 3/4/5.
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Jun 1, 2019 00:54
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Zore posted:Just don't do Ken's Social Link if you do the Female MC route. Do I want to know?
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Jun 1, 2019 00:58
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you seduce the small boy
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CharlestonJew posted:you seduce the small boy No, that's not right. You can return the small boy's affection.
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MightyPretenders posted:No, that's not right. can we please not normalize a loving out and out pedophile social link. Ken is a 10 year old boy with severe trauma and everything about the social link is incredibly hosed up.
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Jun 1, 2019 01:08
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by playing persona, you have already committed a class b felony
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The party AI was fine, but it seems alot of people just completely did not know that party tactics existed. Getting charmed sucks but, that would happen even in p4 and 5 so ?
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I honestly didn't think the AI was nearly as big a problem as Tartarus being Tartarus. edit: and this comes from someone who really likes mainline SMT Dr. Fishopolis fucked around with this message at 02:38 on Jun 1, 2019 |
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Jun 1, 2019 01:28
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nrook posted:Hot take: There’s a point where a theme hurts more than it helps.
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General Morden posted:by playing persona, you have already committed a class b felony Is this in addition to the list we get put on by spending money on anything related to anime?
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:I honestly didn't think the AI was nearly as big a problem as Tartarus being Tartarus. This. The extra AI options make them perfectly decent. I just wish the extra options were in other games. For my next run of P4G I think I'll use AI control partners just to test it out but it will be annoying because they only give you the most basic commands. If they are gonna keep AI control in there, why remove the greater variety of control?
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hot take: i think having futaba as a romance option is nearly as bad as ken the implicit power dynamic is super hosed up and sojiro literally tells you he isn't comfortable with it
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:hot take: i think having futaba as a romance option is nearly as bad as ken That is a really bad hot take. The power dynamic is nowhere near as hosed up as with Ken, or even the adult P5 romances. Futaba isn't as broken as people seem to think, she's portrayed as being awkward and prone to panic attacks but not helpless. Sojiro also says explicitly that he is okay with the two of you dating so you're just flat out lying there
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There are plenty of other reasons to not like ai party members outside of thinking they suck
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Kaza42 posted:That is a really bad hot take. The power dynamic is nowhere near as hosed up as with Ken, or even the adult P5 romances. Futaba isn't as broken as people seem to think, she's portrayed as being awkward and prone to panic attacks but not helpless. Sojiro also says explicitly that he is okay with the two of you dating so you're just flat out lying there yokay, well her whole social link is about her slowly learning how to socialize without literally clinging to your side in fear, and dealing with her separation anxiety coupled with that. it culminates with her finally becoming comfortable in public and being able to spread her wings without you. you then have a choice. do you A: stay a friend and support her growth or B: gently caress her brains out also (spoiler) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGvgjkrulOI&t=2513s but yeah no it's not nearly as hosed up as ken, that was hyperbolic
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:yokay, well her whole social link is about her slowly learning how to socialize without literally clinging to your side in fear, and dealing with her separation anxiety coupled with that. it culminates with her finally becoming comfortable in public and being able to spread her wings without you. you then have a choice. do you A: stay a friend and support her growth or B: gently caress her brains out .. I mean literally the very next line is "maybe it wouldn't be so bad." I think it's weird too but going hyperbole doesn't really work when your evidence literally counters your own point.
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sure, acknowledged, ken thing was an exaggeration just sayin if that decision doesn't give you the fuckin willies I dunno how you're reading that story. edit: lol jesus yeah uh i forgot about kawakami nevermind Dr. Fishopolis fucked around with this message at 03:44 on Jun 1, 2019 |
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persona 5 is also a game that lets you gently caress your teacher. Like if anyone's gonna pick at the relationships here, fair game, but singling just one out is sort of missing the trees for the forest
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Butt Ghost posted:persona 5 is also a game that lets you gently caress your teacher. Like if anyone's gonna pick at the relationships here, fair game, but singling just one out is sort of missing the trees for the forest Yeah, to be honest, the vast majority of the romances in P5 weird me out. Most of them involve abusive adults no matter how they try to gussy it up.
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ImpAtom posted:Yeah, to be honest, the vast majority of the romances in P5 weird me out. Most of them involve abusive adults no matter how they try to gussy it up. that's the theme of the game, though
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:that's the theme of the game, though Its still bad. Like Kawakami/Joker is on the level of P3/Ken in terms of creepiness and hosed up power dynamics considering she's his teacher and someone Joker has life ruining blackmail on. Then you have the drunk reporter who has to pretend to date a high schooler because... Or the doctor performing dubious medical experiments on and eventually loving her patient. Normalizing any of that, or the pedophile poo poo in Ken's link, is real bad. Zore fucked around with this message at 04:01 on Jun 1, 2019 |
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Jun 1, 2019 03:59
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I'm torn on the adult confidants. I liked the theme of them mostly starting out as an exploitative or seedy relationship like Iwai involving you with his Yakuza past and breaking the law but as you gain levels in them your relationship actually changes to one of mutual respect and friendship with the big caveat that you didn't pick the romance options. All of them have backgrounds of being on the fringes of polite society and it shows. Except Sun who owns.
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The drunk reporter was the worst confidant, made worse by constantly having a more interesting character around her in most of her scenes that you can't be a confidant with
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Also, it’s actually good when Yukari fully heals the final boss and you experience the hanged man tarot
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Macaluso posted:The drunk reporter was the worst confidant, made worse by constantly having a more interesting character around her in most of her scenes that you can't be a confidant with That and the fact that her ability is by far the least useful in the game for all but the least competent stealth gamers.
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I think it makes sense for some Jokers to be dating an older woman. He isn't a role model, You can make him do and say a lot of unethical things if you want. The game doesn't force you into any of the romantic s-links, and it isn't treated as an endorsement.That's why it's rated for adults. People are also being much grosser about it than anything implied by the game, which leaves 99 percent of the "relationships" to your imagination. It's way tamer than teacher-student relationships you'd see on a TV show like Riverdale, and It's not remotely comparable to the gay-guys-accost-Ryuji scene (IE embarassing and shouldn't be there.)
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IMO it's extremely having your cake and eating it too, to have the first arc be about an abusive teacher and how bad that is, and then let you gently caress your teacher, because she's hot so it's different.
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Super No Vacancy posted:the doctor is hot 
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MightyPretenders posted:No, that's not right. I've heard tell of this, though I still sometimes have trouble believing it. (Or wish I did. Whatever.) Can you have relations with the dog too? Because I don't know which is worse. [Note: this is criticism, not hopeful inquiry.]
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Ibram Gaunt posted:IMO it's extremely having your cake and eating it too, to have the first arc be about an abusive teacher and how bad that is, and then let you gently caress your teacher, because she's hot so it's different. In theory the actual difference is that Kamoshida uses his power and privelage to force himself on students, whilst Joker has to convince Kawakami three times to get her to even consider a relationship. In practice this is still terrible horseshit that shouldn’t be in the game outside of maybe a when you’re Older and not my student response. It’s also real disappointing we got romances with adult women before we got romances with other teen guys, Ryuji Yusuke and Mishima should have all been romantic options.
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i think a romantic partnership with yusuke would be rewarding to experience regardless of your preference
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