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naomi klein's the shock doctrine : aka all about disaster capitalism edit: 
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since everyones recommending recentish stuff ill say these books that I read at uni that were fun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_and_Monopoly_Capital https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufacturing_Consent:_Changes_in_the_Labor_Process_under_Monopoly_Capitalism
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Jun 1, 2019 16:44
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double nine posted:I'm almost finished with David Graeber's debt: the first 5000 years. What author do I go next for my 'capitalism critique from a historical and systemic perspective' fix? Marx
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Jun 1, 2019 16:49
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double nine posted:I'm almost finished with David Graeber's debt: the first 5000 years. What author do I go next for my 'capitalism critique from a historical and systemic perspective' fix? a lot narrower in perspective, but "the half has never been told: slavery and the making of American capitalism" was incredibly gross and engrossing and I highly recommend it
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Jun 1, 2019 16:57
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e: a book so nice I've posted it twice. stupid double post
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Jun 1, 2019 16:57
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Greatbacon posted:edit: capitalism.png.txt
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Jun 1, 2019 17:13
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Greatbacon posted:naomi klein's the shock doctrine : aka all about disaster capitalism pretty sure humans are going to have to pollenate by hand over the next few centuries
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Jun 1, 2019 17:38
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People are already having to pollinate by hand in Asia. https://www.freshplaza.com/article/9107955/china-fruit-trees-pollinated-by-hand-due-to-a-lack-of-pollinating-insects/
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Jun 1, 2019 17:44
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Jel Shaker posted:pretty sure humans are going to have to pollenate by hand over the next few centuries Thing is, if we stopped holocausting insects in order to produce 5% more corn, their populations would bounce back incredibly quickly. A single female can produce thousands or tens of thousands of offspring, so if managed properly we could fix the problem on the time span of a couple decades. I mean, we won't, but we could.
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Jun 1, 2019 17:44
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We could do a lot if our socioeconomic system wasn't just "make number go up." Paperclip gaming ourselves to death like a bunch of morons.
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Jun 1, 2019 17:46
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capitalism is the original cookie clicker
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Jun 1, 2019 17:47
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T-man posted:capitalism is the original cookie clicker Pollination Poking
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Jun 1, 2019 18:47
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So since the billionares aren't going to be able to trust their security dudes (even with bomb collars/drugs/etc) I'm guessing that actual security robots are going to have a lot of funding/research? It's gotta be a win/win situation because that stuff can be used by the DoD too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65n7JIMXfs8 That's where we are now, but I imagine they want stuff like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG8GtxV8-aI&t=74s
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Jun 1, 2019 19:30
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spacetoaster posted:So since the billionares aren't going to be able to trust their security dudes (even with bomb collars/drugs/etc) I'm guessing that actual security robots are going to have a lot of funding/research? security robots seem like an even bigger liability than security humans because you can have a relationship with a security human that's based on emotions and ideas to appeal to them when they get hungry or tired, you can negotiate with them but you can't negotiate with a robot to keep standing watch when its battery dies because you can't charge it now that marauders have collapsed the vent shafts to your underground generator room and your only choice is go without power or suffocate from fumes
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Jun 1, 2019 19:33
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I want to see billionaires massacred by their own Tesla killbots.
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Jun 1, 2019 19:44
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:I want to see billionaires massacred by their own Tesla killbots. Preferably when they mistake their owner for an elderly black pregnant dude.
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Jun 1, 2019 20:01
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collapse of society would be totally worth it to see the look on a billionaires face when he suddenly realizes that dollars wont save him from being thrown off his sea-stead because he wouldnt let his workers families on board
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Jun 1, 2019 20:04
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Outrail posted:Preferably when they mistake their owner for an elderly black pregnant dude. AMBULANCE DETECTED pew pew
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Jun 1, 2019 20:06
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:I want to see billionaires massacred by their own Tesla killbots. It’s going to be a lot easier than they think, too.
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Jun 1, 2019 20:18
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double nine posted:I'm almost finished with David Graeber's debt: the first 5000 years. What author do I go next for my 'capitalism critique from a historical and systemic perspective' fix? 
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Jun 1, 2019 20:19
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SpaceGoku posted:security robots seem like an even bigger liability than security humans because you can have a relationship with a security human that's based on emotions and ideas to appeal to them when they get hungry or tired, you can negotiate with them Pretty sure they want something they don't have to negotiate with, or care for. Robots would just do whatever they're programmed to do until they run out of gas. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxJT7VqZXBQ&t=48s Also, that super aegis auto gun turret can kill people at 2 miles away now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ7ZjdBpElU spacetoaster has issued a correction as of 21:12 on Jun 1, 2019 |
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Jun 1, 2019 21:09
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Greatbacon posted:naomi klein's the shock doctrine : aka all about disaster capitalism I know this thread (completely justifiably) likes to hate on landlords but the management team and corporation that run the complex I live in did one good thing recently at least - a swarm of honeybees took up residence in the walls of one of the buildings and instead of just gassing them they hired someone to come and carefully collect them all so they can be moved out to a farm somewhere  I mean they're still awful in lots of ways and my rent is way too high but it's nice when people do nice things for honeybees.
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Jun 1, 2019 22:12
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I'm the exposed, delicate, rapidly spinning LIDAR on the front of it
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Jun 1, 2019 22:16
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Once robots decide how to kill people guns will be out and toxic gas / poisoning water will be back in calling it now, the robo wars will be gruesome
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Jun 1, 2019 22:40
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Shame Boy posted:I know this thread (completely justifiably) likes to hate on landlords but the management team and corporation that run the complex I live in did one good thing recently at least - a swarm of honeybees took up residence in the walls of one of the buildings and instead of just gassing them they hired someone to come and carefully collect them all so they can be moved out to a farm somewhere They care more about bees than they cars about their tennents. I bet if the bees were late on rent they'd gas em without a thought.
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Jun 1, 2019 22:41
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let's not take things too far. One cannot exact rent from bees.
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Jun 1, 2019 22:46
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double nine posted:let's not take things too far. One cannot exact rent from bees. reddit legal advice posted:Can I sue my beekeeper neighbor?
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Jun 1, 2019 22:56
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bees: the means of production
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Jun 1, 2019 23:35
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get african honey bees and wait for them to kill the neighbor
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Jun 1, 2019 23:43
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EVERY MORNING MY NEIGHBOUR'S BEES FLY INTO MY YARD AND OPEN-PALM SLAM MY PRECIOUS POLLEN INTO THEIR LEG PANNIERS. THEN THEY TAKE THE POLLEN BACK TO MY NEIGHBOUR MAKING WHOOSHING SOUNDS AS THEY DO SO. CAN I sue
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double nine posted:let's not take things too far. One cannot exact rent from bees. you can extract that sweet, sweet honey tho
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Jun 2, 2019 00:10
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The thing about all these drones and other assorted killbots the rich want to use to gun down the poor is that they rely on a complex and intensive infrastructure to work. But the very nature of "the peasants are revolting!" means that such a system no longer exists. If poo poo really hits the fan the robots will run out of ammunition, gas, and everything else long before some peoples militia can defeat them in pitched battle.
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Jun 2, 2019 00:11
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galagazombie posted:The thing about all these drones and other assorted killbots the rich want to use to gun down the poor is that they rely on a complex and intensive infrastructure to work. But the very nature of "the peasants are revolting!" means that such a system no longer exists. If poo poo really hits the fan the robots will run out of ammunition, gas, and everything else long before some peoples militia can defeat them in pitched battle. that's what makes it a great grift, what're you gonna do 2 years after civilization collapses and it turns out your bunker and its toys aren't as good as I promised? sue me?
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galagazombie posted:The thing about all these drones and other assorted killbots the rich want to use to gun down the poor is that they rely on a complex and intensive infrastructure to work. But the very nature of "the peasants are revolting!" means that such a system no longer exists. If poo poo really hits the fan the robots will run out of ammunition, gas, and everything else long before some peoples militia can defeat them in pitched battle. nuclear powered laser bots
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Jun 2, 2019 00:40
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maximum overdrive was prophetic
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Jun 2, 2019 00:56
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Shame Boy posted:I'm the exposed, delicate, rapidly spinning LIDAR on the front of it Well, Snake needs a weak spot to shoot at or otherwise the fight wouldn't be fair to the player- what the gently caress do you mean this isn't peace walker https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxehaiuDhRQ
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double nine posted:I'm almost finished with David Graeber's debt: the first 5000 years. What author do I go next for my 'capitalism critique from a historical and systemic perspective' fix? Around the same time as Debt I read Seeing Like a State: How Certain Schemes to Improve the Human Condition Have Failed by James C. Scott and I thought it was great. Scott is an anarchist or at least something similar, crediting Kropotkin and related thinkers with a lot of his inspiration. While he makes many pointed criticisms of capitalism, he casts his net a bit wider and seeks to describe and criticize what he calls the ideology of high modernism which manifested in both capitalist and socialist governments. Scott identifies high modernism as the ideology of simplification and the fetishization of industry and scientific advancement. The high modernist would be glad to replace insects with robots because it would rationalize production and simplify logistics. For them the ideal forest is grows in laser level and straight rows, with no underbrush or animal life to hinder maximal output of cubic meters of saw boards. Unlike a natural forest though, such a timber plantation produces no wild game, no forest products, harbors no biodiversity nor is available for recreation. The timber plantation has sacrificed everything to optimize for a single variable easy measured and taxed, while the costs of optimization fall upon those who do not have a voice. This optimization carries many hidden costs as well, with biodiversity destroyed natural nutrient exchange networks die with the microrhizal fungi. Yields collapse without fertilization and fires burn out of control. In the worst cases the result can even be a decrease in timber production. Like with the managed forest, Scott criticizes the way modernists cultivated cities and economies. Graeber and Scott both have backgrounds in anthropology and this is visible in their methods. Both writers are concerned with the way groups of people function as a system, and concerned with our tendency to ignore complex interactions. Both are distrustful of our tendency to make assumptions about what is natural or good, and react against what they see as hegemonic values.
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I thought poison ivy was a villain
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bike tory posted:I thought poison ivy was a villain She is, it's just that Batman is a fascist narrative. The billionaire who flies around in a jet beating muggers until they're permanently paralyzed is the good guy, even when he creates serial killers.
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