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Impermanent
Apr 1, 2010
Rescue still exists. That's why I know that, despite the changes, Yoship still wants healers to have fun.

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World War Mammories
Aug 25, 2006



you're a hero, fau

SwissArmyDruid
Feb 14, 2014

by sebmojo

EponymousMrYar posted:

I use Clemency to pop my own divine veil when the healers decide they're not going to.

I also use Clemency to heal a boss when the healer dies in the first 30 seconds of it for standing in two bads in a row.

Finally, I like to throw it out during raids to try and touch up some people that almost died from something and the healer's are a bit busy/low on mana.

It's handy.

No, Clemency is sticking around.
Tempered Will is the one that's going the way of Fracture :negative:

That's because every tank gets Arm's Length now.

So they replaced your 10s/3m with 6s/2m, I think it's worth the tradeoff.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Rescue isn't as good as any of the friendly movement abilities in SWTOR, they all made it so much easier to uh, "make mistakes"

LITERALLY MY FETISH
Nov 11, 2010


Raise Chris Coons' taxes so that we can have Medicare for All.

Blockhouse posted:

I don't think anyone is saying having a self-healing option is bad, and I don't think anyone is saying Clemency is bad

what people are saying is that unless it's an emergency it shouldn't be used because paladins need that MP for their damage

If your healer is alive and hitting buttons there's no reason you should be wasting time and resources on doing their job

I'm saying it's bad because it takes up a GCD and mana, both of which PLD needs to do whatever lovely dps they're capable of atm. It's a trap ability because people use it incorrectly, because usually if your healer died 20 seconds into the fight you should probably just wipe and restart anyway instead of limping along and wasting everyone's time.

Like, please, defend clemency to me. Tell me why it's good for anything other than wasting your time, popping your own diving veil, or a 1% edge case scenario. I'll wait.

Blockhouse
Sep 7, 2014

You Win!

LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:

I'm saying it's bad because it takes up a GCD and mana, both of which PLD needs to do whatever lovely dps they're capable of atm. It's a trap ability because people use it incorrectly, because usually if your healer died 20 seconds into the fight you should probably just wipe and restart anyway instead of limping along and wasting everyone's time.

Like, please, defend clemency to me. Tell me why it's good for anything other than wasting your time, popping your own diving veil, or a 1% edge case scenario. I'll wait.

okay well this is a weird way to come at someone who basically agrees with you

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:

I'm saying it's bad because it takes up a GCD and mana, both of which PLD needs to do whatever lovely dps they're capable of atm. It's a trap ability because people use it incorrectly, because usually if your healer died 20 seconds into the fight you should probably just wipe and restart anyway instead of limping along and wasting everyone's time.

Like, please, defend clemency to me. Tell me why it's good for anything other than wasting your time, popping your own diving veil, or a 1% edge case scenario. I'll wait.

I mean... among other things, content exists besides trials?

In dungeons it's usually a lot more of a waste of time to wipe and restart the fight than to just kill the drat boss. Most bosses don't have significant enough unavoidable damage that a Paladin or Red Mage can't actually keep people alive. In solo content having a self-heal is nice. v:shobon:v

It's not the super best skill ever made but it's okay for skills to be focused on other content.

ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 01:59 on Jun 5, 2019

LITERALLY MY FETISH
Nov 11, 2010


Raise Chris Coons' taxes so that we can have Medicare for All.

Blockhouse posted:

okay well this is a weird way to come at someone who basically agrees with you

quoting someone doesn't mean I can't say something to the thread at large

ImpAtom posted:

I mean... among other things, content exists besides trials?

It's bad in dungeons too.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
SRW Fanatic




I've had more than a few EXDRs where the healer dies at 20% or so and clemency is enough to sustain the tank and one or two dps for the rest of it. And it's way faster than wiping, running back, and trying again.

Blockhouse
Sep 7, 2014

You Win!

LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:

quoting someone doesn't mean I can't say something to the thread at large

Okay good to know because it's also kind of a weird way to come at anyone over a button in a video game

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:

It's bad in dungeons too.

It's absolutely fine in dungeons if your healer goes down/disconnects? And it's significantly faster to just finish the fight than to wipe and redo the entire thing over when you could heal through.

Hell, you can probably even do it without Clemancy if you're smart with cooldowns, it just makes it trivially easy for Paladins to Solo Zenos or whatever.

Infidel Castro
Jun 8, 2010

Again and again
Your face reminds me of a bleak future
Despite the absence of hope
I give you this sacrifice




All this Clemency talk bores me, so here's more elf postin'

UHD
Nov 11, 2006


i like clemency because one time the healer and other dps went down like halfway through the last boss of ghimlyt dark so entirely through clemencies and not standing in poo poo me the blm and the pld finished the fight

Cephas
May 11, 2009

Humanity's real enemy is me!
Hya hya foowah!
the first time i played this game i thought it was so cool that my gladiator had infinite Cures because of Riot Blade. I slowly whittled down so many FATE minibosses in Thanalan with that combo.

clemency captures that janky "can i punch above my weight class with this" MMO magic for me

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006



Cephas posted:

the first time i played this game i thought it was so cool that my gladiator had infinite Cures because of Riot Blade. I slowly whittled down so many FATE minibosses in Thanalan with that combo.

clemency captures that janky "can i punch above my weight class with this" MMO magic for me

Same here. For me, it's a core part of Paladin's identity (holy knight that can heal and protect others with their magic) in much the same way as Cover is. It's got enough situational uses and enough flavor that I wouldn't want it axed.

Algid
Oct 10, 2007


Clemency let me solo T15, which makes it cool and good.

somepartsareme
Mar 10, 2012

Diggle Hell is a Real
(Swingin') Place
i find it hard to believe anyone has actually complained about using clemency while the healer was dead. then again people are stupid, but that still doesn't mean plds who use it when they shouldn't aren't a little frustrating to watch

x1o
Aug 5, 2005

My focus is UNPARALLELED!
Clemency is good because when I get dumb or new healers that eat aoe's and die I can just keep on trucking without much effort.

rhoga
Jun 4, 2012



mon chou

Here's my elfie. Finally did Omega normal a couple weeks back and I liked this scene:


And more housing poo poo:

https://imgur.com/a/iZqwQhp

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Emalde posted:

are you having a stroke
An anierism

M.c.P
Mar 27, 2010

Stop it.
Stop all this nonsense.

Nap Ghost
FC mate got reshade, and has gone on a bit of a photo taking spree. This is my elf.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

M.c.P posted:

FC mate got reshade, and has gone on a bit of a photo taking spree. This is my elf.


I wish I enjoyed tanking more because DRK has heck of glam game.

Eimi
Nov 23, 2013

I will never log offshut up.


aers posted:

So, GSM is super easy since 25 red scrips -> 1 blue scrip token -> 1 landmaster ring. They are ilvl 200 I think, so as long as you use the careful desynth consumables you can get a decent number of levels off them. I think one of the other accessories might be LTW, don't remember exactly, but those cost 2 tokens each.

WVR is a pain since you need armor and those are more (4-6 i think?).

The FC3 rate on Landmaster's Rings is about 45-50%, which is useful if they sell on your server.

I'm pretty sure the crafting rings are equivalent but I'd need to check.

This worked wonderfully! It's not quite as cheap for crafting rings, as you need necklace/earrings, but it still gets you skill points. With the bonus deliveries this week I'm over 170 for everything. Still a long way to go, but it's a huge help. As long as I can get my skills to desynth the first SB dungeon when I'm spam leveling DNC and GNB I'll be happy, as my current SHB leveling plan is RDM first with MSQ, then going back for GNB and DNC because they look incredible. GNB looks like a replacement for current drk, as I actually like the active ogcd stuff it has going on, and DNC is finally a ranged job with some potency to it.

Bussamove
Feb 25, 2006

M.c.P posted:

FC mate got reshade, and has gone on a bit of a photo taking spree. This is my elf.



What weapon is that? I need it for my glam game.

YoshiOfYellow
Aug 21, 2015

Voted #1 Babysitter in Mushroom Kingdom

It's one of the Alexander weapons, though I can't remember which tier has the orbital things on them.

Saigyouji
Aug 26, 2011

Friends 'ave fun together.
Alexandrian weapons (from Creator).

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!

Overwatch Porn posted:

a lot of people haven't because they're insanely niche

Just because I just saw this come up in my twitter feed -

https://twitter.com/platinumgames/status/1136097151761600514

aers
Feb 15, 2012

Eimi posted:

This worked wonderfully! It's not quite as cheap for crafting rings, as you need necklace/earrings, but it still gets you skill points. With the bonus deliveries this week I'm over 170 for everything. Still a long way to go, but it's a huge help. As long as I can get my skills to desynth the first SB dungeon when I'm spam leveling DNC and GNB I'll be happy, as my current SHB leveling plan is RDM first with MSQ, then going back for GNB and DNC because they look incredible. GNB looks like a replacement for current drk, as I actually like the active ogcd stuff it has going on, and DNC is finally a ranged job with some potency to it.

IIRC I ended up at 220 during HW off scrip gear, since I was using them to make money (both the glass fiber, which is now worthless, and FC3s were selling for ~50k each on my server). Since they're ilvl 200 items the skill slows down a lot past 200. I can't really remember what I did after 220 to bridge the gap to SB gear.

Shire gear is 260 and you get a ton of poetics daily just from roulettes so that's definitely an option, and you should get some level of BC materia from them too. You can also craft early SB gear, some of it might have mats that are easy to gather since its leveling gear.

There's red scrip SB gear that is ilvl 300 but it obviously costs more than the HW stuff so its far less efficient, but it is an option if you prefer grinding scrips to trying to do dungeons.

After that you're mostly back to the dungeon grind.. I guess the options are yellow scrip crafter gear (350) or mendacity gear (360) + whatever you win greed rolls on? Don't really know whats most efficient. I'm still at 310 myself because I can't really be bothered until ShB comes out and I can just fail my way to 400.

aers fucked around with this message at 06:22 on Jun 5, 2019

Josuke Higashikata
Mar 7, 2013


M.c.P posted:

FC mate got reshade, and has gone on a bit of a photo taking spree. This is my elf.




I will never understand why people like Reshade.


Nice glam tho

SwissArmyDruid
Feb 14, 2014

by sebmojo

rhoga posted:

Here's my elfie. Finally did Omega normal a couple weeks back and I liked this scene:


And more housing poo poo:

https://imgur.com/a/iZqwQhp

"just a normal room", my rear end, that's some straight-up Princess Mombi poo poo right there.

SwissArmyDruid fucked around with this message at 06:42 on Jun 5, 2019

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

~* Challenge *~


Blockhouse posted:

I don't think anyone is saying having a self-healing option is bad, and I don't think anyone is saying Clemency is bad

what people are saying is that unless it's an emergency it shouldn't be used because paladins need that MP for their damage

If your healer is alive and hitting buttons there's no reason you should be wasting time and resources on doing their job

The person I quoted was saying clemency should be removed from the game though, that sounds like saying having a self-healing option is bad to me.

Kaubocks
Apr 13, 2011

i don’t even like clemency but it’s thematically appropriate and makes that one poster mad so it’s worth keeping

Fat and Useless
Sep 3, 2011

Not Thin and Useful

So this is a whole other barrel of worms I'm opening but clemency is amazing in eureka. Sometimes healers just refuse to heal the tank, sometimes your soloing and potions aren't enough, a 10-30k heal is nothing to sneeze at when you don't have a healer.

Risutora
Dec 28, 2006

Emalde posted:

Change this assignment to whatever the hell you want. "Assist Target" is good, or you can unassign it and use it as a PTT key for discord.

Set it to a sprint macro.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?

M.c.P posted:

FC mate got reshade, and has gone on a bit of a photo taking spree. This is my elf.



This is a good elf.


rhoga posted:

Here's my elfie. Finally did Omega normal a couple weeks back and I liked this scene:


This is a good elf too.


Infidel Castro posted:

All this Clemency talk bores me, so here's more elf postin'



Lotsa good elves up in this.

Eimi
Nov 23, 2013

I will never log offshut up.


aers posted:

IIRC I ended up at 220 during HW off scrip gear, since I was using them to make money (both the glass fiber, which is now worthless, and FC3s were selling for ~50k each on my server). Since they're ilvl 200 items the skill slows down a lot past 200. I can't really remember what I did after 220 to bridge the gap to SB gear.

Shire gear is 260 and you get a ton of poetics daily just from roulettes so that's definitely an option, and you should get some level of BC materia from them too. You can also craft early SB gear, some of it might have mats that are easy to gather since its leveling gear.

There's red scrip SB gear that is ilvl 300 but it obviously costs more than the HW stuff so its far less efficient, but it is an option if you prefer grinding scrips to trying to do dungeons.

After that you're mostly back to the dungeon grind.. I guess the options are yellow scrip crafter gear (350) or mendacity gear (360) + whatever you win greed rolls on? Don't really know whats most efficient. I'm still at 310 myself because I can't really be bothered until ShB comes out and I can just fail my way to 400.

Yeah I can only imagine how much dosh I'd have made if I did this before I leveled everything to 70. :negative: But I'll certainly take a more solid roadmap to making it to SB starter levels, thanks for the help!

Zokari
Jul 23, 2007

I had no idea that weirdos got super mad when I used one of my moves so now I'm gonna use it way more.

x1o
Aug 5, 2005

My focus is UNPARALLELED!
I'm looking forward to the Trust system so all dungeon runs are nothing but Giraffe squad fun times.

Captain Cappy
Aug 7, 2008

The AI in the trust system is going to be just as bad as the dumbass GC squads, believe it dattebayo

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somepartsareme
Mar 10, 2012

Diggle Hell is a Real
(Swingin') Place

Zokari posted:

I had no idea that weirdos got super mad when I used one of my moves so now I'm gonna use it way more.

pls do this with vercure too it will trigger the tryhards so much

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