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https://mobile.twitter.com/JoeMyGod/status/1136595086366523395quote:President Trump on Thursday reiterated his willingness to impose tariffs on Mexico if the country does not crack down on the flow of migrants toward the U.S. despite opposition from within his own party, saying some senators “have no idea what they’re talking about” on the issue.
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Jun 6, 2019 14:24
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https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1136623265332584449
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Jun 6, 2019 14:25
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:The new normal
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Jun 6, 2019 14:30
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lmao throw every one of these pharma assholes into prison
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Jun 6, 2019 14:30
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FlamingLiberal posted:This isn’t even a new problem; Trump burned undercover agents for Israel at one point in like 2017 Trump .... good?
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Jun 6, 2019 14:31
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Mind_Taker posted:lmao throw every one of these pharma assholes into prison Yeah I'm still not sure why the fines for this sort of thing is pocket change and not "whatever number it is that makes wall street like your company, enough to significantly decrease it".
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Jun 6, 2019 14:32
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Terror Sweat posted:Trump .... good? Under no circumstances do you "gotta hand it to him".
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Jun 6, 2019 14:33
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Mind_Taker posted:lmao throw every one of these pharma assholes into prison That's a weird way to spell "a fire" but I completely agree.
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Jun 6, 2019 14:35
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This whole thing, if he goes through with it and it's as bad as it seems like it will be, maybe, just maybe, sways enough Republican Senators over to wanting to remove this motherfucker and THEN impeachment has a chance. Trying to look for silver linings here. The intervening time would be very lovely though.
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Jun 6, 2019 14:36
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DrNutt posted:That's a weird way to spell "a fire" but I completely agree. It can be a fiery prison.
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Jun 6, 2019 14:37
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VH4Ever posted:This whole thing, if he goes through with it and it's as bad as it seems like it will be, maybe, just maybe, sways enough Republican Senators over to wanting to remove this motherfucker and THEN impeachment has a chance. Trying to look for silver linings here. The intervening time would be very lovely though. While I appreciate that there are people out there with just a shred of optimism left, the current Republican party has shown absolutely no reason to be optimistic about it. They'll fall in line behind him in lockstep. They always do.
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Jun 6, 2019 14:40
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Wistful of Dollars posted:It can be a fiery prison. Why isn't this word spelled "firey"? The English language is weird.
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Jun 6, 2019 14:40
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I saw this alert as well cant find any details on whats going on though.
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Jun 6, 2019 14:41
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Nm  https://twitter.com/luckiari/status/1136629023851786240?s=19
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Jun 6, 2019 14:42
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:While I appreciate that there are people out there with just a shred of optimism left, the current Republican party has shown absolutely no reason to be optimistic about it. They'll fall in line behind him in lockstep. They always do. We'll see. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2cjVhUrmII
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Jun 6, 2019 14:42
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VH4Ever posted:This whole thing, if he goes through with it and it's as bad as it seems like it will be, maybe, just maybe, sways enough Republican Senators over to wanting to remove this motherfucker and THEN impeachment has a chance. Trying to look for silver linings here. The intervening time would be very lovely though. This is fantasy wishful thinking. Unfortunately the evidence points to continued rallying around the president while shifting blame through propaganda onto the Democrats.
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Jun 6, 2019 14:45
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Why the gently caress are all the brokebrains in this thread reading “Jay Inslee is angry that as a single issue candidate, the DNC won’t let him have a special debate all about his single issue” as “the DNC is forbidding any discussion of climate change at any of the 12 debates it is sponsoring”?
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Jun 6, 2019 14:49
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skeleton warrior posted:Why the gently caress are all the brokebrains in this thread reading “Jay Inslee is angry that as a single issue candidate, the DNC won’t let him have a special debate all about his single issue” as “the DNC is forbidding any discussion of climate change at any of the 12 debates it is sponsoring”?
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Jun 6, 2019 14:50
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skeleton warrior posted:Why the gently caress are all the brokebrains in this thread reading “Jay Inslee is angry that as a single issue candidate, the DNC won’t let him have a special debate all about his single issue” as “the DNC is forbidding any discussion of climate change at any of the 12 debates it is sponsoring”? We're all going to be killed by global warming, it's kind of important enough for its own debate
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Jun 6, 2019 14:51
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haveblue posted:Yeah I'm still not sure why the fines for this sort of thing is pocket change and not "whatever number it is that makes wall street like your company, enough to significantly decrease it". Why bother with fines at all? Just nationalize the company.
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Jun 6, 2019 14:54
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Lemming posted:We're all going to be killed by global warming, it's kind of important enough for its own debate what is there to debate about in the democratic primary though? everyone on that stage is going to agree that it is a big problem that needs to be addressed with legislation to curb carbon dioxide emissions, the only difference are the specific proposals and at that point it's not a debate but rather some kind of televised policy meeting. how much variance is there between the candidates on this topic?
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Jun 6, 2019 14:55
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luxury handset posted:what is there to debate about in the democratic primary though? everyone on that stage is going to agree that it is a big problem that needs to be addressed with legislation to curb carbon dioxide emissions, the only difference are the specific proposals and at that point it's not a debate but rather some kind of televised policy meeting. how much variance is there between the candidates on this topic? Pretty sure Joe Biden's "plan" is very different than Inslee's and Bernie's plans.
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Jun 6, 2019 14:56
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This is the guy behind the straight pride parade https://twitter.com/Boston_DSA/status/1030248841960931328 https://twitter.com/Boston_DSA/status/1030249645124018176
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Jun 6, 2019 14:57
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Mind_Taker posted:Pretty sure Joe Biden's "plan" is very different than Inslee's and Bernie's plans. I thought it was exactly the same, paragraph by paragraph, actually (It is a plagiarism joke)
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Jun 6, 2019 14:58
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Mind_Taker posted:Pretty sure Joe Biden's "plan" is very different than Inslee's and Bernie's plans. It probably is, but I wonder about the value of debates at all in this case. The presidency was always a popularity contest, but after the way the primaries and debates were handled in 2016, I think they're going to be primarily graded by how entertaining they are, and what kind of audience retention numbers they get. America the gameshow isn't gonna just suddenly stop being a thing because there are real problems that need real solutions. So like, "Dems talk numbers about the world-ending cataclysm" isn't gonna pull viewers. So I don't think it's gonna happen.
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Jun 6, 2019 14:59
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Mind_Taker posted:Pretty sure Joe Biden's "plan" is very different than Inslee's and Bernie's plans. yeah, but we already have enough proof that biden sucks. watching a bunch of people hash out tiny shades of policy differences through violent agreement sounds like a bad d&d thread
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Jun 6, 2019 14:59
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saintonan posted:Why bother with fines at all? Just nationalize the company. Yeah these things where we have an old price are especially bullshit, because we know it was still profitable at the lower price and the markup is entirely greed. Like at least if something has always been incredibly expensive they're maintaining kayfabe on the whole 'this was expensive to develop and is expensive to make, we've got to recoup our costs'.
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Jun 6, 2019 15:00
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luxury handset posted:what is there to debate about in the democratic primary though? everyone on that stage is going to agree that it is a big problem that needs to be addressed with legislation to curb carbon dioxide emissions, the only difference are the specific proposals and at that point it's not a debate but rather some kind of televised policy meeting. how much variance is there between the candidates on this topic? Considering the degree of changes that need to be made to avert catastrophe? There's a lot of substantial policy difference there between 'we should do something about it I guess' and 'we need a trillion dollar revamp of energy infrastructure' Reminder that while we're going to touch on the primaries in this thread, in depth discussion needs to go in the appropriate thread.
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Jun 6, 2019 15:00
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quote:“When you have the money, when you have the product, when you have the thing that everybody wants, you’re in a position to do very well with tariffs, and that’s where we are,” he continued. “We’re the piggybank. The United States is the piggybank. It has all the money that others want to take from us, but they’re not taking it so easy anymore. It’s a lot different.” I still can't get over that this is how the president of the USA talks.
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Jun 6, 2019 15:00
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Ershalim posted:It probably is, but I wonder about the value of debates at all in this case. The presidency was always a popularity contest, but after the way the primaries and debates were handled in 2016, I think they're going to be primarily graded by how entertaining they are, and what kind of audience retention numbers they get. America the gameshow isn't gonna just suddenly stop being a thing because there are real problems that need real solutions. Talk about broke brained thinking, let's not have a deep dive climate debate because it "isn't gonna pull viewers?" Give it up, folks, the focus groups don't like the Climate Change arc. Jesus. So, not even a debate hosted via internet livestream somewhere that ratings from scumfuck sponsors aren't a factor? Just, nah? Too boring? We're all gonna die.
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Jun 6, 2019 15:07
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skeleton warrior posted:Why the gently caress are all the brokebrains in this thread reading “Jay Inslee is angry that as a single issue candidate, the DNC won’t let him have a special debate all about his single issue” as “the DNC is forbidding any discussion of climate change at any of the 12 debates it is sponsoring”? It's pretty much the most important issue out there, and it's loving time that decent dems stop getting ignored.
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luxury handset posted:yeah, but we already have enough proof that biden sucks. watching a bunch of people hash out tiny shades of policy differences through violent agreement sounds like a bad d&d thread Yeah but getting a lot of candidates who are good on climate policy ganging up on Biden would be fun!
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luxury handset posted:what is there to debate about in the democratic primary though? everyone on that stage is going to agree that it is a big problem that needs to be addressed with legislation to curb carbon dioxide emissions, the only difference are the specific proposals and at that point it's not a debate but rather some kind of televised policy meeting. how much variance is there between the candidates on this topic? my dude those specific proposals are kinda major. Like, dems gave us terrible ideas like cap and trade and carbon taxes and poo poo and pointless initiatives like 'hey consumers who are responsible for a fraction of emissions compared to the most wealthy and powerful companies, maybe if YOU just stopped using your AC so much it'd fix things you greedy little piggies!'
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Jun 6, 2019 15:10
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VH4Ever posted:Talk about broke brained thinking, let's not have a deep dive climate debate because it "isn't gonna pull viewers?" Give it up, folks, the focus groups don't like the Climate Change arc. I meant in terms of the people who run the debates. We don't get to decide what gets televised or how it gets monetized. So like, because they're going to focus on the dog and pony show aspects to get ratings, the debates themselves will almost assuredly be attempts to get snappy reddit video moments and poo poo instead of something nuanced like what would be required to delve into candidates policy on climate change.
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Jun 6, 2019 15:11
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Quick overview of positions on climate change: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/policy-2020/climate-change/ Probably the only thing I disagree with Bernie on here is phasing out nuclear (because climate change is going to need a combined-arms approach, energy storage issues, etc). Hickenlooper is hilariously terrible on everything. e: obviously, none of these positions are actually enough to avert climate catastrophe.
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Jun 6, 2019 15:12
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Bubbacub posted:I still can't get over that this is how Do we have all the money or do we have all the product? WTF is the point of trade if we have both? What is planet earth
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Jun 6, 2019 15:14
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Ershalim posted:I meant in terms of the people who run the debates. We don't get to decide what gets televised or how it gets monetized. So like, because they're going to focus on the dog and pony show aspects to get ratings, the debates themselves will almost assuredly be attempts to get snappy reddit video moments and poo poo instead of something nuanced like what would be required to delve into candidates policy on climate change. Why do you think Inslee is pushing so hard to host his own debate, if need be?
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VH4Ever posted:Why do you think Inslee is pushing so hard to host his own debate, if need be? it's the only thing he's got to differentiate himself from the pack at this point e: really though it's not worth discussing further itt as folks are variously talking about either climate change itself or the procedural minutiae of how the primaries are run, and hopping between the two subjects as needed Mr. Fall Down Terror fucked around with this message at 15:19 on Jun 6, 2019 |
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VH4Ever posted:Talk about broke brained thinking, let's not have a deep dive climate debate because it "isn't gonna pull viewers?" Give it up, folks, the focus groups don't like the Climate Change arc. We have a huge group of people in this country (and in this thread) who've been trained to think of politics in the way that a literal amoral sociopath thinks of politics. To them politics is been reduced to a highschool popularity contest- and their every political decision is rooted first and foremost in how popular said decision will be. They have no conceptual room for doing the right thing simply because it's the right thing-, and the idea of making a moral stand (especially if it's personally costly) is considered naive stupidity. Worsse still- their privileged position in life has convinced them that they understand how the world actually operates, when in reality they have been so sheltered that they do not understand the very basics of how power dynamics operate in the real world. Individuals like the one you were responding to absolutely do not understand what leadership is either. They think leaders exist to enable the crowd to move in the direction the crowd has decided to go, and that's just not how Humanity Works, has ever worked, or will ever work until such time as humanity has evolved into a state of pure energy. A leader picks a goal and starts working towards it without regards for whether or not anyone else is going to support them. Publicly demonstrating that you're willing to suffer on the behalf of others is what leadership actually is, everything else is just chest puffing nonsense written by sheltered intellectuals. Leadership is about showing that you will sacrifice for others for no personal gain. That's what makes other people voluntarily choose to follow you. That's what inspires others to make changes in their life to support a cause. Leadership isn't about telling other people to make sacrifices that you are not yourself willing to make, that's called being a privileged douchebag. Prester Jane fucked around with this message at 15:24 on Jun 6, 2019 |
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