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Grape
Nov 16, 2017

Happily shilling for China!

ikanreed posted:

Suburbs are worse than rurals.

Most chuds live in identical candy cutter houses and drive a 40 minute commute in a SUV to middle class jobs.

There are rural chuds, more than rural decent human beings.

But there are more suburban chuds than rural ones

Suburbs are a lot more varied a sort of place then people itt seem to talk like.

Some suburbs are classist white flight strongholds yes, those are home to chuds aplenty.
Some suburbs are working class and mixed, some are working class whiteflight.
Some are indistinguishably blended over from cities and knowing where one ends and the other begins is impossible unless you're super familiar with local borders.

Really depends where you are. In some places the idea that they're worse than rural areas is a laugh. Sometimes as in my state you see more a combo of the bad suburbs (the first type I described) teaming up with the more rural areas to represent the GOP voting base. One could not operate without the other, and they still have some differences.

In some cases the lovely type of suburb transitions to better type over time as well. Orange County is the best example of that in 2018.

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Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

Grape posted:

Naw this isn't entirely true.
The chuds just won't ever vote for someone else.
What they might do though is not vote if they're depressed and sad enough. Though absolutely plenty will pull the red lever yes.

also, important to remember, the chuds are not all of, or even the majority of, the people who voted for trump. a lot of rural people, notably, can absolutely be won over.

Serf
May 5, 2011


trying to derive a judgement on a geographic region from voting numbers in a country where half the population doesn't vote and we have tremendous voter suppression and gerrymandering seems like a bad idea

Eat This Glob
Jan 14, 2008

God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. Who will wipe this blood off us? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we need to invent?

i was good friends with the son of two libertarians when I was growing up. His dad was once upon a time the candidate for governor in our state for the libertarian party. their house ruled because we could ride 250cc dirt bikes while wearing no protective gear beyond a bicycle helmet at age 10 and we could build trebuchets and poo poo. they were mostly hippies who wanted to be left alone by the government.

they were grain farmers. I assume they took advantage of subsidies and crop insurance. i havent seen my friend since we graduated as he now lives in south america with his south American wife. his younger brother lives in Canada with his Canadian wife. I dont know if they held on to their libertarian leanings or if they realized a government-free Neverland was pretty dope for a 10 year old, but society rules and so does helping the needy.

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

Chokes McGee posted:

he was talking about public schools and when I pointed it out he eventually started screaming WELL THEY'RE NOT MY KIDS

should have rubbed salt in the wound with a proper patriotic defense where you state that all the children who go to America's public schools are their kids :smug:

ElGroucho
Nov 1, 2005

We already - What about sticking our middle fingers up... That was insane
Fun Shoe
Suburbs are a mixture of urban people who bought a home for their family and chud desperate housewives

Show me a rural area that is anything more than the breeding pool for racist gun fuckers (don't include the farm labor mexicans)

ChipNDip
Sep 6, 2010

How many deaths are prevented by an executive order that prevents big box stores from selling seeds, furniture, and paint?

ElGroucho posted:

Suburbs are a mixture of urban people who bought a home for their family and chud desperate housewives

Show me a rural area that is anything more than the breeding pool for racist gun fuckers (don't include the farm labor mexicans)

Hawaii outside of Oahu, large parts of New Mexico, the Navajo nation.

Chokes McGee posted:

I keep telling people who run into threads screaming RURALS AREN'T THE PROBLEM to give me a breakdown by state of the rural vote percentage instead of national and I never get it :shrug:

Any statistic on rural vs urban is going to be skewed because of how the census bureau defines rural vs urban. There's a ton of people who live in areas that they consider rural, and the average person looking at where these people live would absolutely consider them rural, but due to quirks in the census, they are counted as urban. See this article.

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The sprawling, diverse segment of the United States that has changed from rural to urban since 1950 is the fastest-growing segment of the country. Culturally, newly urban areas often have more in common with persistently rural places than with the biggest cities. Most notably, in 2016, Hillary Clinton would have won only the counties defined as urban when the metropolitan classification began in 1950, while Donald Trump would have won every group of counties added to metropolitan after the initial round….

About 6 in 10 U.S. adults who consider themselves “rural” live in an area classified as metropolitan by standards similar to those used above, according to a Washington Post-Kaiser Family Foundation poll conducted in 2017. And 3 in 4 of the adults who say they live in a “small town”? They’re also in a metro area…

The people who live in this town are not rural per census definitions

ChipNDip has issued a correction as of 18:39 on Jun 7, 2019

Grape
Nov 16, 2017

Happily shilling for China!

Victory Position posted:

should have rubbed salt in the wound with a proper patriotic defense where you state that all the children who go to America's public schools are their kids :smug:

It's amazing how easy theoretically it should be to couch socialist style messaging into patriotic stuff. Like reach the point where that messaging is working and happening and you're on the way back to winning working class people the GOP has controlled for awhile. People get too caught up in "BUT AMERIKKKA" and just never even try recapturing that stuff for good use.

Grape
Nov 16, 2017

Happily shilling for China!

ElGroucho posted:

Suburbs are a mixture of urban people who bought a home for their family and chud desperate housewives

Show me a rural area that is anything more than the breeding pool for racist gun fuckers (don't include the farm labor mexicans)

Parts of New England, nearly all of Vermont for instance.
Parts of northern Minnesota.

Serf
May 5, 2011


ElGroucho posted:

Suburbs are a mixture of urban people who bought a home for their family and chud desperate housewives

Show me a rural area that is anything more than the breeding pool for racist gun fuckers (don't include the farm labor mexicans)

everywhere i've been in georgia, alabama and the carolinas

(florida doesn't count because the north and south might as well be two different nations)

Blast of Confetti
Apr 21, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

ElGroucho posted:

Suburbs are a mixture of urban people who bought a home for their family and chud desperate housewives

Show me a rural area that is anything more than the breeding pool for racist gun fuckers (don't include the farm labor mexicans)

i live in alabama and my county is majority black. the white people are all spread out in the farmland. i live across from the high school and its pretty much all black/latino kids

only problem is whitey is the only group to vote in decent numbers

fits my needs
Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer
gee i wonder if there’s any kinda things in place to prevent minorities from voting or something :iiam:

must just be laziness :clint:

BBJoey
Oct 31, 2012

Katie McHugh, the ex(?)-nazi who was profiled by Buzzfeed a while ago, is enjoying her redemption tour

https://twitter.com/realkatiemchugh/status/1136744205827678221

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

BBJoey posted:

Katie McHugh, the ex(?)-nazi who was profiled by Buzzfeed a while ago, is enjoying her redemption tour

https://twitter.com/realkatiemchugh/status/1136744205827678221

Her redemption is that she gets to gently caress off quietly.

ElGroucho
Nov 1, 2005

We already - What about sticking our middle fingers up... That was insane
Fun Shoe

BBJoey posted:

Katie McHugh, the ex(?)-nazi who was profiled by Buzzfeed a while ago, is enjoying her redemption tour

https://twitter.com/realkatiemchugh/status/1136744205827678221

If some one could find that picture of Cholo Goofy with a gun and the caption that says "Allah forgive these haters, cuz I never will" and post it on her timeline, i would be very appreciative

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

ElGroucho posted:

If some one could find that picture of Cholo Goofy with a gun and the caption that says "Allah forgive these haters, cuz I never will" and post it on her timeline, i would be very appreciative

Is there an indication that she’s insincere?

DragQueenofAngmar
Dec 29, 2009

You shall not pass!

chitoryu12 posted:

Is there an indication that she’s insincere?

who cares, she wrote for the nazi website gleefully for years

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

chitoryu12 posted:

Is there an indication that she’s insincere?

I don't give a frank poo poo if she's sincere or not. You don't spend years promoting fascist violence then sit for a kid gloves mea culpa article and walk away.

Kitfox88
Aug 21, 2007

Anybody lose their glasses?

Zeroisanumber posted:

I don't give a frank poo poo if she's sincere or not. You don't spend years promoting fascist violence then sit for a kid gloves mea culpa article and walk away.

:hai:

Frog Act
Feb 10, 2012



BBJoey posted:

Katie McHugh, the ex(?)-nazi who was profiled by Buzzfeed a while ago, is enjoying her redemption tour

https://twitter.com/realkatiemchugh/status/1136744205827678221

the responses to this are half full of stealth nazis with stuff like #HBD #Transhumanism #Cishetchauvinist in their profile talking about the ZOG and the other half are cooing liberals acting sad about her experience

honestly how the gently caress do you get "trapped" in a nazi movement? that just doesn't make sense to me. radical political movements require a level of ideological commitment that inherently implies actual shared beliefs. its not like they shut the door behind you and lock it from the outside while yelling about how you have to be a nazi now

thehandtruck
Mar 5, 2006

the thing about the jews is,
im trapped in a bowel movement

Kitfox88
Aug 21, 2007

Anybody lose their glasses?

thehandtruck posted:

im trapped in a bowel movement

post a banme to fix this hoho

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually

Frog Act posted:

honestly how the gently caress do you get "trapped" in a nazi movement? that just doesn't make sense to me. radical political movements require a level of ideological commitment that inherently implies actual shared beliefs. its not like they shut the door behind you and lock it from the outside while yelling about how you have to be a nazi now
It is, of course, bullshit. She marched into it with eyes fully open, and this whole oh woe is me I was seduced and misled and trapped is complete nonsense. Even her big mea cupla article was entirely lacking in apologies or any understanding of the damage she did to other people - it was entirely focused on herself, and the mess that neo-nazism had made of her life That was her big message - nazism is bad, not because it's evil, but because it really screws up your future career prospects.

Cocaine Bear
Nov 4, 2011

ACAB

Redemption is cool but you gotta commit years to undoing that harm. A couple tweets ain't poo poo. Until then, keep hitting her with that horse lube glitter cocktail.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

FMguru posted:

It is, of course, bullshit. She marched into it with eyes fully open, and this whole oh woe is me I was seduced and misled and trapped is complete nonsense. Even her big mea cupla article was entirely lacking in apologies or any understanding of the damage she did to other people - it was entirely focused on herself, and the mess that neo-nazism had made of her life That was her big message - nazism is bad, not because it's evil, but because it really screws up your future career prospects.

Yeah I'm pretty much sure if she was still making piles of money off of racist op-eds and books she would never had quit the alt right movement.

pseudanonymous
Aug 30, 2008

When you make the second entry and the debits and credits balance, and you blow them to hell.

etalian posted:

Yeah I'm pretty much sure if she was still making piles of money off of racist op-eds and books she would never had quit the alt right movement.

Isn't her new plan to make tons of money off being ex-alt-right?

Blast of Confetti
Apr 21, 2008

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

pseudanonymous posted:

Isn't her new plan to make tons of money off being ex-alt-right?

I give it six months tops for a vid of a drunken rant/texts emerge and she's going off on news or Mexicans or whatever

thehandtruck
Mar 5, 2006

the thing about the jews is,

etalian posted:

Yeah I'm pretty much sure if she was still making piles of money off of racist op-eds and books she would never had quit the alt right movement.

whoopsie doodle! zoinks! *slipping on a banana peel sound* oh jeez haha looks like i fell into another kill-the-kikes reading group! the saturday group is a lot rowdier than thursday's!

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
SRW Fanatic




More people should do the Darth Vader-style redemption.

J.A.B.C.
Jul 2, 2007

There's no need to rush to be an adult.


Frog Act posted:

the responses to this are half full of stealth nazis with stuff like #HBD #Transhumanism #Cishetchauvinist in their profile talking about the ZOG and the other half are cooing liberals acting sad about her experience

Man, I always thought TransHumanism was something neat, like moving past our physical and ideological differences to become better than we are. I didn't know it was fash fodder.

loving Nazis ruin everything.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Argas posted:

More people should do the Darth Vader-style redemption.

Requirement to legit leave the alt right movement would be throwing Milo or Molyneux into a space station power plant?

Kitfox88
Aug 21, 2007

Anybody lose their glasses?

J.A.B.C. posted:

Man, I always thought TransHumanism was something neat, like moving past our physical and ideological differences to become better than we are. I didn't know it was fash fodder.

loving Nazis ruin everything.

i just wanna be a sexy robot tbh

J.A.B.C.
Jul 2, 2007

There's no need to rush to be an adult.


Kitfox88 posted:

i just wanna be a sexy robot tbh

I know, right?!

Just-In-Timeberlake
Aug 18, 2003

Kitfox88 posted:

i just wanna be a sexy robot tbh

with chainsaw hands


bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

An insane mind
Aug 11, 2018

Just-In-Timeberlake posted:

with chainsaw hands


bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

That was covered in the sexy part of sexy robot.

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

etalian posted:

Requirement to legit leave the alt right movement would be throwing Milo or Molyneux into a space station power plant?

I'm not saying that murdering an even worse Nazi is the way to stop being a Nazi, but I'd be happy if more of them tried.

Dr. Killjoy
Oct 9, 2012

:thunk::mason::brainworms::tinfoil::thunkher:

J.A.B.C. posted:

Man, I always thought TransHumanism was something neat, like moving past our physical and ideological differences to become better than we are. I didn't know it was fash fodder.

loving Nazis ruin everything.

something that appeals to libertarian tech dipshits and Sillicon Valleyites and Less Wrong types probably can’t be all that good

Dr. Killjoy has issued a correction as of 19:44 on Jun 9, 2019

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

transhumanism is incredibly fascist, not by ultimate necessity, but in every even distantly realistic take.

SHY NUDIST GRRL
Feb 15, 2011

Communism will help more white people than anyone else. Any equal measures unfairly provide less to minority populations just because there's less of them. Democracy is truly the tyranny of the mob.

Cool transhumanism is we installed a mouse in this paraplegic so he can do things on the computer

Typical transhumanism is I want to pay money to be literally better than the poors

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Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:

Cool transhumanism is we installed a mouse in this paraplegic so he can do things on the computer

Next up: cochlear implants for the blind!

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